my, but cable TV is awful at 05:00 on a Saturday 5am? gah! bah what's a good regexp to detect ascii values greater than 127 withing a string? can you even do that? I'm not sure what to use to match an ascii value, but that sorta crap I usually look up :P ajmitch (~ajmitch@210.55.1.129) joined #gnuenterprise. howdy ajmitchie ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" yo havoc: If you can spcify a char by hex or octal you can use a ccl: [\x80-\xff] or something. dsmith: doh! I didn't consider a range gah, need sleep thanx :) ah=yea you negate the range Action: chillywilly thinks he needs sleep too ajmitch (~ajmitch@210.55.1.129) left irc: Remote closed the connection ajmitch (~ajmitch@210.55.1.129) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jcater is back (gone 04:08:31) brrrrrr Action: Vee2d2 is here it's cold outside ayup it was pretty cold last weekend too.. I have a tire that consistently goes low so I was going to put some fix-a-flat in it.. but the fix-a-flat had frozen.. =/ gack that sucks sigh I get to play woodworker this weekend wife needs more bookstands :-/ I was playing construction worker last weekend.. =) jcater: fun, I like that better than soft eng. is this a good sign (shop doing well) or a bad one (too much stock on shelves)? I plated mover today, 7F out at that :( good I guess dude took a 1 bedroom 1.5 bath house and walled in some rooms so it's now a 3 bedroom 1.5 bath house.. she gains on average 50 books a day from trades wow yeah, well if only she could sell some of those :) =) it's starting to stabilize though we were warned by others in the business Action: havoc watches Caddy Shack is that from a b2b relation? heheh that first several months were almost all trades then as we became established it'd even out to 70% sales/30% trades Action: jcater is anxiously awaiting that as we are now about 80% trade/ 20% sale but it shifts more and more each week well that's good.. at least there's some good traffic I s'pose.. ? havoc: I used to enjoy woodworking until wife started the bookshop :) I built wood shelves out the wazzooo If nothing else, trades increase your "footfall" jcater: I like cooking better though dude me too jcater: and driving a truck was ok too well, you can have that :) OTR is a Zen thing for me :) psu: true havoc: owner operator? Vee2d2: nah, did pumpkins and Alliant I had an uncle that did that.. until he couldnt afford the insurance anymore.. =) Vee2d2: I only did it ~18months then mother's mother had a stroke, so I moved to boston to help care for her wtf are you talking about? chillywilly: truck driving oh chillywilly: real life ;-) oh plz havoc: when did you frive truck/ erm drive blah [00:52] Last message repeated 4 time(s). I'm seriously considering own/op as a form of retirement get paid to travel just no fingerprinting get a big "condo" stand-up me n the wonam just motor around the country woman keep a small apt. someplace to store out shit or maybe a room at my brother or sister's place my mom's friends have a mobile home and now that they're retired all they do is drive around chillywilly: yeah, but if they were haulin shit, they'd get paid too :) one of the guys I worked with bought an rv and goes from place to place for several weeks at a time helping build churches.. my grandfather does that really neat he's spent a lot of time in mexico and central america doing that, actually hmm (as well as US) is his name Rich? j/k well, he only gets to do it 2 weeks out of the year but he's been doing it for like 20 yrs+ kinda cool I want a bigass kenworth "Cali" rig the closest thing I get to do is read news.google.com :) that is so strange seeing in a channel like this.. =) 60" sleeper, standup but as I am learning, this is definately a multidimensional channel big CAT N14 535HP Vee2d2: :) blah nothin like a 14 liter 6 cylinder engine :) blah [00:58] Last message repeated 3 time(s). Vee2d2: ya know derek is working on getting ordained? how the heck do you get ordained when you are protestant? just one more oddball around here :) Action: havoc is a reall blue-collar kinda guy well, whatever you call it grew up ona farm n everything jcater: I am ordained in the Church of the SubGenius, fwiw hell, I got a 39' 4-horse slant parked in my driveway right now otay but that's my little sister's trailer wife and I were trying to buy a 40 acre substinance place this time last year that fell thru so we settled on a nearby small town :-/ little 4'9" chick drivin a bigass truck my pop grew up on a farm.. for the last 30+ years he's been a ceo.. last year he bought a farm so he's going back to tractors and cows Vee2d2: much more fun, less stress :) he's definately happier.. my sis is leavin for OH in ~90min my neighbors are weirded out every now and then large stuff ends up in my driveway, then disappears they never see it come or leave :) I live in town, so it's kinda funny havoc: OH is cool. (heh, 2 degrees tonight!) dsmith: you in OH? it's damn cold here too I dunno what the temp is but it's cold Action: Vee2d2 ponders how much longer 'fore coffee time.. grrrr I just bought a pressure cooker havoc: yeah, Hinckley (used to live in Cleveland) and the damn thing is missing the bobble thing ont he top :-/ chillywilly: single digits technically i am a licensed minister chillywilly: I'm gonna pre-trip the truck for my sis in ~90min if i renew my license for another 3 years gotta go out into the cold :( i can apply for ordination hah! it is ordained, chillywilly dsmith: ah, my rents and sis live in lebanon whatever Action: chillywilly was teasing derek: can you do weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs...? yes i can legally marry people in the state of arizona yeah, but what about funerals? Action: havoc notes the largest non-contractor owned DeWalt power tool collection in the world :) can you legally kill ppl in az? um jcater: hahahah :) funerals take no special license and this is the wild west i can legally carry concealed fire arms lat rites do though, I think Before the reformation, the Headmaster of Eton School havoc: I've never been out that way. what am I saying! of course you can kill ppl dsmith: ah Action: dsmith *likes* OH. (one of the most tony schools in England, then and now) you are licensed to married men to women roflmao isn't that close enough? thats a good one dsmith: I don't, I like WI :) was allowed to use excommunication as a punishment but i just looked it up in the hand book psu: wow "Take 100 lines and eternal damnation, boy!" and marriage is a synonymn for eternal damnation not death derek: heh oops, false alarm found the thingie keep the thingie away plz Action: psu has a certificate from the Bishop to administer the sacrement, but that's all dude we are som sorry mofos sitting here on our computers on friday night chillywilly: sat morning. chillywilly: Sat am, here well, I mean the U$ ppl Sat morning here too (by 45 minutes :) "technically" dudew no.. it's sat morning! =) what else would married men be doing late at night my woman is here, and in front of her machine too on a friday night? but we need to wake my sis up at 2am jcater: she lives here i watched second have of triple X half dude I dunno what you thought but that was a sad excuse for a script the actors could've been really strong but the dialog was embarrasing and some sly stallone move 'eye see you' or something "Hey! That kangaroo stole my ball!" didn't see it don't want to jcater: i kind of liked it (as i saw with a pack of teenagers over here last week) but just re watched second half as wife watched and i was thinking, how did i think that was decent :) I'm saddened that I missed the airing of battlefield earth on scifi omfg! Vee2d2: hehe Vee2d2: plz say you are joking that is THE worst frelling movie EVER man it sucked no, I'm actually serious.. I'm interested in seeing how bad the worst movie of all time is.. yea that's why I had to watch it I wanted to see how suckly it really is i liked it it is BAD suckly? seriously derek: no way dude is a suckly a baby suck? it's a typo limp dick well dudes does the USA network still air B movies on thier late night weekend schedule? Action: jcater notes derek has strange taste in movies :) well you know jcater: i grew up with a father who watched and read so much battlefield eart would be a great comedy he would punish me with horrid choices but unfortunately that's not its aim put it this way first movie i ever saw er midnight movie i was 7 and my dad took me to midnight movies to catch sneak peak of "Escape From New York" what are the natives up to this evening? they are a bit restless I'm about ready for bed myself hmm Action: ajmitch is pondering what to do to get $$ the stallone movie tonight was packed with actors Action: Vee2d2 is embroidering some diapers for a neighbor ajmitch: I've heard prostitution pays fairly well but you may not have the nack for that Action: jcater stops to ponder the thought of embroidered diapers "My Lord, I've heard there's good money to be made down the docks, doing favours for sailors" ajmitch: you can sell your soul to M$ ;) "What, you mean, sewing buttons on for them, and stuff?" HEH hmmm stallone, charles dutton (one of my favorite), kris kristofferen, tom berenger dodgy people they're cloth diapers Action: chillywilly play guitar the director was same guy that did "i know what you did last summer" and "joyride" ajmitch: You could always hang around here and try to overtake me bbiab if you havent seen joyride its a must see movie :) on the GNUe KC "Most Quoted" list http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/quotes.html hehe gack, jcater will catch me soon i can't believe i'm so low who is daniel baumnann? derek: that's ok, I still have my cvs ranking :) some random fewl Action: psu notes jamest is almost 50% behind "the big two" Does this make him "the quiet Beatle"? jcater: definitely not much chance of anyone touching that for a while :) well jamest got duped into getting a life that will cut your irc time in half easy chillywilly: he's that well-known spelling mistake Action: psu will go back & tidy up the back issues some time Action: ajmitch has to get involved more! bajusz's name seems to have broken the XSLT, as well ;-) Action: ajmitch must produce more patches! btw has anyone touched the GTK2 forms ui driver in HEAD lately, or is it still fair game?:) s/ the GTK2 forms ui driver in/ nope still fair game ok, i shall attack it with vengeance attack it with ketchup instead! nah, that gets too messy Action: jcater should probably go to bed before wife wakes uo and seems me missing good ide s/seems/sees s/ide/idea/ gah, I am a plethora of typos tonight Nick change: jcater -> jcZzzz night jcZzzz: night Action: ajmitch has to get his computer & net connection back to do serious h4x0ring jcZzzz: thats what the big teddy bear is for lay it in your place until you come to bed derek: she might like it more than me though then where would I be? hehe it's damn cold outside Action: derek notes this jcater we are talking about mrs cater: what were you doing up? jcater: um i was hungry, just was getting a few donuts, didnt want to get crumbs in the bed lol mrs cater: hmmm... that sounds good, can you go get me some chicken strips? rofl jcater: grumble grumble, should have just told her the truth and that i was on the frelling computer i think i will follow suit and go to bed as well lol Action: derek is away: sleep wife is so insecure for so long that for the longest time she insisted I was in yahoo chat doing things, um, a married man shouldn't do but, nope just here w/you guys hmmm rofl Action: jcZzzz has no idea where she gets those ideas... I am the classic geek after all I know someone like that... too funny my wife was really not liking 'chatting' until she read the back logs a few times hehehe and then she sai d "man you hang out with some freaks" my wife has utterly no idea why I hit these buttons on this board thing and look at the tv thing and hit more buttons on this board thing derek: rofl at least she never thinks im picking up chicks haha, your wife is certainly perceptive :) when i say im "chatting" anymore Vee2d2: heheh btw: this was REALLY solidified when she met some linux folks in San Francisco with me now she refuses to go to any linux events lol anyway bed for real nite ditto night derek & jcater enjoy it night dewds Action: chillywilly is so much a geek he has to play his guitar and watch irc :P dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection http://skoolshooting.com/cgi-bin/image.pl?/z/funny_images/ms_piss_on_wall.jpg HEH http://skoolshooting.com/cgi-bin/image.pl?/z/funny_images/pint-o-kitty.jpg heheheh ajmitch (~ajmitch@210.55.1.129) left irc: psu (psu@81.98.44.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust42.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ls 0 files Nick change: ra3vat -> ra3vat-out reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. oh this one would be for chillywilly "I live the way I type: fast, with a lot of mistakes" :-) hah ok.. nuff fun for me.. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: s/sended/sent derek: thanks i know my english is horrible :( Action: derek is still majorly impressed at how well most of you non-native english speakers speak english much better than i can speak any other language you all claim your english is horrible but honestly its better than most high school students here in the US btw. i'v learned russian in scool from 8-20, but forgot nearly all :) and learned english from 16-22, and now(40) trying to practice you are 40? yes for some reason i was thinking you were same age as arturas and just finishing university i'm young in spirit :) btami: i talked to my sister-in-law yesterday and she said that tamasz is your "first name" not your family name is that correct? my name is Bajusz Tamás ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection em tamas not tamasz and Bajusz is the family name in hungary ah ok (my sister-in-law is from debrecen) Tamás=Tom,Tomas,... oh, my older brother is living in debrecen too and Tami is short for Tamás? yes ah ok you can learn so much in this channel :-) :) just another to learn some hungarian, bajusz=moustache :) reinhard: starts to make one wonder if there is a place you could get more information from reinhard_ (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard btami (~btami@3e70d727.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@3e70d739.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. is there any reason that checkbox button left out from designer's toolbar ? IIRC it was there before psu (psu@81.98.44.42) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't contradict a woman -- wait until she does herself" ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@81.98.44.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) btami (~btami@3e70d739.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). ajmitch (~ajmitch@210.55.1.129) joined #gnuenterprise. morning lads neilt (~neilt@ip68-105-182-97.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi neilt hello hey hey we're the monkeys does everything I say remind you of a song or show? btw, that comment that reinhard made about my typing was funny :-D [04:04:01] oh this one would be for chillywilly [04:04:10] "I live the way I type: fast, with a lot of mistakes" [04:04:12] :-) he doesn't know how true that is where is btami from? hmmm, .hu is that hungary? later all neilt (~neilt@ip68-105-182-97.nv.nv.cox.net) left irc: hungry... not now, just ate maybe later oh yes btami is from hungary Action: derek must run to do some chores while the little one is sleeping bbl chillywilly (~danielb@frodo.libertyetech.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ah, chillywilly is back yo chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (~danielb@2001:470:1f00:549:0:0:0:2) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jeff jeffy! lex (~lex@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. Heyas.... anyone alive? Heya Andrew, Dan. How's life? yo lex alright aj! i'm surviving chillywilly: !..:) lex! aw man I forgot to watch farscape yesterday I was wondering guys..... im looking for something weird, maybe gnue has it already..... i want to make a soap powered queuing server...you guys ever seen the MS queueing service? I knew there was something I could've been wasting my time doing son of a! queing service? what does it do? man I suck that pisses me off You are making a program okay?....in web, for example.... but you run into some things it has to do like, write 100000 records in the database, and you dont want your user to wait until thats over so he can keep going to the next page ah, right so you hand off the requests to some daemon & proceed merrily on your way (hoping that you don't have race issues trying to access stuff again ;) ) So, you queue some stuff, and have a way for the queueing server to tell the client when its done.... exactly hmmm, anyone ever watch brave new wrld the movie? is that based on the book? chillywilly: no.... why would you do that when you can read the 10 words reader's digest review lex. hmm? dtm: watching a movie is easier ToyMan: hi ther e I read Huxley's book in philosophy of technology class bah, it was on at 3:30pm est anyway so I missed it chillywilly: hows that to keep you away from computers...cool technique so ne1 knows if gnue has this kind of thingie? Tom Clancy's Netforce is on right now supposedly lex: anyway, i think that it _could_ be possible to do with GNUe at some stage, but i haven't heard of anything being done yet :) lex: we do not have such a creaturee On, like TV? ajmitch: if i was to start doing it, id definitivly go with python yeh\ah I didn't know that any of that series were being done. damnit I could kick myself chillywilly: youd be on cirque du soleil cirque du soleil 0wnZ and i'm cool and/or hip because I like it a lot. uhh i have a "making of" type video of them and they were in The Grinch movie which has a "making of" on the DVD jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). anyone here experienced with pervasive SQL? it's an SQL wrapper around btrieve(tm) :< dtm: odddly, ive ppl here very knowledgable in that evil of a database hhehehe :/ lex: well there's a guy in #interchange who needs to integrate Interchange with products that use pervasive :/ so that's all i know. You remember what i told you about a treason here in Step One ? Remember "THE TRAITOR" tail? nope It involved that database And products that run on that, like Accpac ERP and CRM solutions Okay.... i have to get out of the dense zone Action: ajmitch has no clue what is being discussed now ;) Im trying to use the VERY IMPRESSIVE gnue-designer, but i dont know how to define a connection......can anyone help? ah, you need to edit connections.conf I want, for example, to create a report from a pgsql table, or a form based on that it's pretty easy Action: ajmitch recalls that there was even a form that could be used to hack up connections.conf - on windows, at least set provider t the driver you want to use for postgres... I would use psycopg then host is the host the db server is rnning on the dbname set to the name of the database that's about it Wait, how do i do this in the designer.... i create a connection?....for example, the wizards ask me what do i want to use for a connection you have to midify your connectiona.conf file I dunno about the form that ajmitch is talking about you can't modify connections in the designer yet er, connections.conf with emacs or vim ;P where is this documented? hell if I know Can you msg me an example? erm well in the forms developers guide it tells you to setup a datasource in connections.con f ok Im using stock's debian unstable gnue....that okay? yeah /etc/gnue/connections.conf hey guys, how can i get 'unrar' on debian? i think it's not free. blah you may want to copy /etc/gnue/sample.connections.conf to the connections.conf :) 'apt-get install unrar' doesn't work even though it's in the dep tree you have non-free sectiojn in sources.list? hey wait a minute section Action: dtm just realized that lex is using gnue lex: what's up? Action: dtm praise lex dtm: yup, we're not in #axisgroupware! :) whoa! holy cow. what's wrong with you ppl? ;) ajmitch: ive no such subdirectory in /etc hmmm you have gnue-common package installed? Ido... or which pkg is it in?... Action: ajmitch hunts interesting... http://smuckola.org/etc/sources.list.text is my file dpkg -S fewlio what should i add to it @#)* dtm: after main dtm: non-free chillywilly: on the first uncommented line? like deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free hmm oddness i installed all that matched apt-cache search gnue ok then I can whipe yo ass er whip Action: dtm lub chillywilly ew Action: ajmitch was sure /etc/gnue was the dir chillywilly: you really might proofread your lines or else type slower ;) deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free then run vrms and beg for forgiveness ;) apt-get install vrms && vrms lex: do you have /usr/lib/gnue/site.cfg oh yeah dtm: maybe I shold look at what I am typing but having a broke ass keyboard doesn't help eithr it's worn out No non-free packages installed on rich2! rms would be proud. heheh ;) chillywilly: heheh install unrar lex: look in that file & tell me what the common_etc line is? then run it ;) oh geez this hting added a cron job. dtm: you're typing like me Action: ajmitch is unsure if he has the right packages :) Action: dtm delete dtm: yep it will mail yo when oyu have non-free software installed ;) er, or it's results after it runs rather its dtm: heretic you shall learn to love virtal rms ;)! virtual or I will smite thee ;) I got it now, thx Get:2 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages [65.4kB] :) bastid k chillywilly: no i dont think i'll love it but i'll use it with interest :) why do you need unrar? you have a rar file? yeah! is that like tar? it's an OLD SKEWL bbs style compression archival/compression it was better than pkzip you should unrar it then tar it and then apt-get --purge remove unrar it's like rar is to pkzip as bzip2 is to gzip so some Windows dipstix use it gzip? fewl tell him to send a normal zip file or you'll catrate him ;) castrate raaaaaaawwwwwwrrrrr! ;) yay now i can get a copy of GIMP that can output uncompressed GIFs yeah. rowr*) what's the name of that copy of gimp? ? I dunno I need to setup reverse dns for my new ipv6 block ;P my copy of gimp can't write GIF files even though the file format is not patent-restricted. only the LZW compression is. GIMP used to be able to write uncompressed GIF files oh hmmm I use png it would inform the user of the patent issue so I have no idea well there are rare issues where i need GIF temporarily normally it's PNG or JPEG well i do have a gif on the libertyetech.com website :-o i'm replacing all GIFs, and with better file size, tyvm ;) WHAT hmm the little animated construction guy is a gif bad chillywilly I dont get the reports generator..... mhm... im approaching this the wrong way i think d0h chillywilly: that's coz you found it somewhere, isee where? i dont use "under contruction" stuff or whatever I know I should get rid of him i got a voicemail from lex from mexico! hehhe@#*) i shall post it for the world to hear he's got a cool accent unlike any mexican i've heard that email doesn't work either ;) sales@libertyetech.com :P Action: chillywilly will fix it all up right now dtm: POST IT! dtm: id like to hear that as well...although i sent that last week....it took OSTell thingy a while then...:P a while for what? i'm the only one to check voicemail No... i mean i called a while ago....and you didnt get it until this week...im just teasing you...and its working....cool! dtm: so post post where it be? yo hmmm, I am not finding squat with gtk-gnutella file sharing blows man it's cold down here roche (~roche@196.40.6.194) joined #gnuenterprise. hehe [20:20:34] <-- Md has quit ("Debian GNU/Linux: because size DOES matter") http://smuckola.org/etc/lex_voicemail.wav ctooley (~ctooley@user-0ccsu85.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello all hi sup so the english courses pay off then....:) :) so it would appear Lets see..... my house is your house....um...no, doesnt read well lex: I hear you have had to deal with Pervasive.SQL well...not me directly.... but we have some ppl here specialized in accpac so they have to heh ahh accpac I'm determining how to deal with some applications that have Btrieve as their database and Pervasive.SQL as an interface. Why are you looking at pervasive anyhow? i suppose to integrate some app with OSS....we tried what you are doing.... accpacs ecommerce sucks lex: :) yup ctooley: i understand I'm quickly coming to the answer... "You're really looking for someone else's product" tell you what.... i really cannot help you personally, but why dont you get in touch with americo@co.com.mx ... he has a couple of years worth of experience and we are interested in achieving accpac/interchange interoperability But what id really like is that accpac would support postgres lex: yeah, that's not likely to happen soon. A relational database is a quite a logic shift for a lot of these applications that are btrieve based ctooley: So whats your plan with interchange lex: don't know yet, we are pretty nervous about actually writing data to the tables. It's so difficult determine everything that needs to be done to a table for a sale to happen. ctooley: same here....and dont expect any help from the original makers... We actually have two products, one is considering moving to MS-SQL (it's entirely Windows based), and the other is 100% committed to Btrieve/Pervasive.SQL Well... but you dont have access to the code of either or do you? lex: The developers at the both companies are willing to give us the schema and even tell us what happens, but they make no claims to the stability of the schema or the process as they change it with every minor release ctooley: damn.... well, are they asking for interchange interop? lex: We "can" get access to the code for $25,000 a piece but only as a reference and only a non-updating version of the code snapshot at the time of purchase be back in a second.... We've had several companies ask for e-commerce integration So, you are a VAR/ISV I know what you mean..... we are that too, but we lean towards open source cause vendors tend to fuck with their channel every day, twice on sundays, and then pass us arround to their friends lex: yup But anyhow, to be helpfull.... you ought to make a financial plan if you want this to work lex: We'd love to push an open source point of sale, but there just aren't any that work. We're working on one, but it's not complete. I mean..... with the original vendors, sort of get a deal from them so they release a spec every minor release, then find out the price of the final thing based on what the commitment cost you We're using perl/interchange to start with but we'll probably rewrite in python after the first run at it to integrate it with GNUe Cause, if you cant warrant yourself access to the scheme for upcomming releases, youre pretty much hanging out naked Im falling in love with python :) And, believe me, that does not sound well at all in spanish, much less in mexican lingo lex: getting the schema is free and we can get it every time we ask, but we have to rewrite our interfaces every time.' lex: :) ctooley: still, it might make a good business case if you can have a so and so estimate of the rewrites..... i mean, if i had the ppl for that, id do it.... plus there might be a community of vendors with the same interest (if you were talking about the same products as me, id cut a deal) ever seen phpgroupware's ck-ledger? lex: I'm not at all fond of phpgroupware. Web interfaces are just not suited to some things I agree ctooley: but, this is designed to have a non-web interface i have a partner who swears by sqlledger Its not part of phpgw either, its developed by a company is it on the phpgroupware.org site? dtm: that does accounting but not point of sale look for ck-ledger in sf.net's software map ctooley: oic ctooley: and see http://axisgroupware.org for groupware http://sourceforge.net/projects/ck-ledger/ http://docs.axisgroupware.org/index.php?page=charter yeah, the point of sale part of it is slow and... lacking. :( http://docs.axisgroupware.org/index.php?page=AxisGroupware+Roadmap ctooley: i have nothing for ya for POS though sorry dewd ask Home Depot for their src ;) www.bananahead.com is written in C++ and has a lot done. they did theirs on linux at one point. or maybe Burlington Coat Factory :) dtm: I can get the Home Depot app, but that is EXPENSIVE oic BCF ended up backing off their deal ctooley: hmmm well i have a client who's interested in developing a franchise infrastructure for their business model, based on gnue Home Depot is running an IBM thing I think. which would possibly include POS dtm: i had one of those....they squirmed at the price thourhg lex: a client who wanted the IBM PoS? or the IBM hardware? the IBM hardware is really reasonable, but the software is something you better have some money for. ctooley: well... ck-ledger has POS.... the database is ther,e also the report machinery....you could just implement the vb frontend or gnue frontend with little hassle ctooley: oh, gnue for their franchise yeah, the Oracle dependency is a little rough lex: I was just thinking that about the gnue front end and still keep the web interface for the online reports, make your own gnue reports for more complex um.... add-ons and stuff....there is your value addition, you charge extra for those of course yeah... now I've gotta learn python... really just need to learn A language python is a very good start.... really easy.... imho, easyer then basic ctooley (~ctooley@user-0ccsu85.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) esands (~nic@mdr1-port40.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection ctooley (~ctooley@user-0ccsu85.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. roche (~roche@196.40.6.194) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) ninja (~rossg@ip-3.nb326.ipstar.cscoms.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ctooley (~ctooley@user-0ccsu85.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" --- Sun Jan 19 2003