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If A equals success, then the formula is _A = _X + _Y + _Z. _X is work. _Y is play. _Z is keep your mouth shut. -- Albert Einstein heh btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning hi btami good morning Action: psu is going to send revised versions of KC #63 & #64 off as both the last two seem to have some weird file corruption I'll calculate md5sum checksums for them as an anti-corruption measure can anyone help me to try something in forms ? if the width of the field is =1, is the all shape of typed character viewable ? i'm trying to fix the "Entry Field Width Not Accurate" bug (DCL #28) but not sure it is a general bug, or just for me psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise (""My interest is in the future, because I'm going to spend the rest of my life there." -- Charles F. Kettering, American engin). ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-18.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ariel hi all hi ra3vat hello btami still fixing that bug? maybe need me to test something? sure :) what should i do? is that bug exist for you too ? try to make an entry width=1, and try to use it how can i check it? i did not look in dcl ok ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" hi btami hello ariel ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-18.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Amy!irc@ppp-3-181.cvx49.energyhost.co.uk)) ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-18.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. i think i'v fixed your "loading forms containing triggers into designer" please try the latest CVS ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: thank you, i need some time since i downgraded wxpyython to try to resolve, so i need to re-upgrade. ok the problem with triggers was resolved by upgrading wxpython from 2.3.something to 2.4.something, but this introduces new issues with forms you can see the log of friday where i reported this to Jason. :( howewer as soon as i wil test i will inform you oops wil/will btami: i started one form with entry having width 1 the place is too short to see anything there ok, you get it :) may it be a feature? :) :) please try to change the wx/UIdriver.py line #786 add +6 to ithem.Width item.Width i think the problem is that item.Width is calculated as width of 1 char(reported by wx) * entry width, but wx uses some space before and after in the wxTextCtrl btami: looks better ok, thanks are you on win32? on woody, but have an XP next to me i have not tested my changes in GBaseApp.py under win32 lately i'm doing right now :) ok, thanks just updating cvs on xp ok, it works for me on xp ok one problem python interpreter that is called for thigger performing does not know about our i18n tricks at all johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. so if you have ascii in site.py and put something non-ascii in trigger code (even in comments) the form will fail :(:(:( another problem UnicodeError: Latin-1 encoding error: ordinal not in range(256) line 289 in GBaseApp er, 239 return catalog.ugettext(msg).encode(runtime_charset) that line? yes how did you get it as you said it works previously? with no formFontEncoding set in gnue.conf i just updated my cvs formFontEncoding became mandatory but i thought it is getting default value anyway wait it works if i set formFontEncodig to xxx-2 (its my hu) in gnue-conf gnue.conf yes the default value (xxx-1) conflicts with my hu_HU (xxx-2) but if i set it in gnue.conf, it works well yesterday i've been changing merge_rtf/Adapter.py to paste non-ascii output properly for OO rtf format inki (~inki@zeus.cis.from.de) joined #gnuenterprise. need to find differencies between OO, MS Word (different versions) rtf output to complete it nice job :) Action: btami is away: work hello inki hi I've been looking through some of your project docs yesterday... looks promising ;-) yes, many things exist only in promisies :) johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. inki (~inki@zeus.cis.from.de) got netsplit. 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Or do you just stick to the basics for now? project gnue-sb on savannah.gnu.org is quite for small business do you consider gnue-sb the first step with more to come? if you are looking into module proposals on the web site they were written expecting application server be in use, which is now in rewrite stage so most gnue installation works in 2-tier mode gnue-sb currently just few forms and db schema first of all you have to install gnue itself there are enough examples in there I've seen them and should get it going soon i consider to grab cvs snapshot (or get through cvs) as there are major changes in gfd format after last release btami: using wxpython 2.3.2.1 it seems to behave well :) I'm just wandering about your long term orientation, since I might spend some time developing - if I like what I evaluate ;-) inki: seems i heard as "world domination" was mentioned :) i've better talk few hours later when us guys will wake up I guess you're right er, you've better talk... see ya bye inki (~inki@zeus.cis.from.de) left #gnuenterprise ("I like core dumps"). 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Nick change: Vee2d2 -> V Nick change: V -> Vee2d2 Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-84-249.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi there psu: there's a slight misrepresentation in the latest KT psu: I got 'like' GCondition working via ILIKE on postgres, and was wondering if NOT ILIKE made any sense. Obviously it does, so I did that one too. psu: that's it. Action: Chipaca hopes psu reads the logs jcater: all I had to do in the end, to get the like -> ILIKE thing, is copy the condition name -> sql dict into _pgsql. For some reason the first time I tried it it didn't work (where that 'some reason' is that I copied the dict in odbc which is incomplete), but with the right dict it works fine :) this is in our ~0.4+patches tree; I still have to look into getting the same thing in 0.5; I hope it hasn't changed much :) Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Arturas (~arturas@fmgs-03.vtu.lt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) fvcgv derek: your hand is segfaulting um my two year old got a hold of the keyboard while i was getting a drink Action: derek is away: zoo lol ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-244-18.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" johannes__ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:45:39) reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "It is easiest to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem" johannes__ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu: Is there a page on the website that mentions GNUe's license? jbailey: erm, the first one? Doh! Under point 3. =) Sorry. heh That;s only been added fairly recently www.gnuenterprise.org will soon be mentioned on Freenode's page of projects using their service. ISTR Derek noticing that we didn't explicitly state it anyway jbailey: cool I submitted the link, but left the license field blank. lilo guessed that it was GPL anyway. =) ISTR that irc.gnue.org used to point to irc.openprojects.net The webpage mentions freenode directly now, I think. even if that fwd is still in place, the thing it points at will be gone psu: wassup? small kc again not much happening in gnue land these days? everyone was fairly quiet last week at least, until the monster gnue-dev thread also, Zack & I have had some problems with file corruption to the extent that I sent him md5sum checksums along w/ the files anyway psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. monster thread :)? chillywilly: object.* I know Action: chillywilly has contributed to it ;) doesn't matter to me though as nothing new was accomplished just same old same old same old same old because people refuse to actually *read* what is being said and respond w/same old same old ahve yu read my lats response? last no, you just complained that no provided answers and said you were not going to respond anymore Action: jcater WAS NOT discussing objects vs relational btw but you made into one it's all pointless anyway I guess so and why I won't respond anymore Action: jcater will wash my hands of the whole appserver affair life is too short Action: chillywilly does too I should read that thread, I guess. =) I like what I read about appserver. reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@3e70d723.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all btami: ajmitch says you're the one I should ask about updating the wxpython in the win32 gnue packages. =) is there anyone using win32 packeges ? :) Not as much as I suspect I would if wxpython didn't suck on win32. And I'm hoping that perhaps the new version solves the problems. =) no, it doesn't :( I like what I read about appserver. jbailey: what exactly? :) btami: i'm using from time to time btami: Ah, so sad. jbailey: tabbed pages and dropdowns are my "best friends" reinhard: The abstraction. I think we violate good abstraction by having the client talk directly to the database. Action: chillywilly puts on his fire retardant underwear reinhard: Specifically, since the passwords are fairly easy to get, we're trusting that the users doesn't like the DELETE command over a telnet port to the SQL server. jcater: i have some problems with pages/blocks in forms, are you here? Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "changing universes" jbailey: hehe lol on Chipaca's quit message I'm back Action: jcater never said there's no role for app server that is taken way out of context jcater: is there any relation between blocks and pages after changing to logic/layout? btami: no blocks can span multiple pages and there can be multiple blocks per page note that the former isn't well tested yet yes, so no need for 2 blocks in intro.gfd, isn't it ? jcater: btw, seen ticket #210? :) so, if intro.gfd has one block only, and it is not tabbed, then btami: it doesn't have to any more, no PgDn doesn't works we have PgDn/PgUp for blocks, and nothing for pages ajmitch: HEH chillywilly: what? ajmitch: ticket #210 ;) what about it? ajmitch: trying to give your boss top priority ;) ajmitch: I'm just teasing you no, i just want to know what the problem is well of course as it annoys me - it didn't happen on sid this is called a joke or good natured ribbing jcater: btw. have you got my mail about "Enty Width Not Accurate" ? btami: yes I apologize I've had 0 time to look at it ok i don't want to commit it, until you say something... Action: ajmitch has other small questions - how do i resize a form in cvs designer? anyhow, i think we need som keys for changing pages, if there is only one block ajmitch: you can't nasssty unless i edit the generated xml the layout's width/height are missing from property inspector tab yes the height and width are on the tag now one of my near-term goals is to get a better way to resize a form Action: jcater is thinking of making the edge of the grid draggable what do y'all think of that? Action: ajmitch didn't see it there it'd be nice jcater: some doughnuts ? :) lol well maybe if someone could pay "Guido" to come take care of my users for me I'll be able to GNUe again soon :) ah... users getting you down? jcater: hehe night all reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Those are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't" night btami (~btami@3e70d723.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." Action: derek is back (gone 05:12:57) anyone know if there is an ms access driver for linux? er nevermind i suppose windows woudl be sufficient there is mdbtools project http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/ not sure it is what you need derek: /dev/null would be the best place for that mdb Action: ra3vat agreed jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" well here is my thought process we have a schema def i would like an access driver (even if windows only) so that one could point gsd tool to it and have a .gsd file built that then violla they can create a postgres table from hmmm i can do this today (and move data) with pgadmin II but i would rather have a GNUe way to do this as there are lots of things i dont like about pgadmin II have you looked at mdbtools.sf.net it looks promising Action: jcater hasn't tried it yet heh, "unlocking your data" nope will have to try it if it includes a library (and not just a stand-alone program) we can probably swig it ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection there is src/libmdb would be interesting brb I need a cookie Action: jcater runs off in search of sweets Action: derek contacts his local cookies from home rep (http://www.cookiesfromhome.com/) to fix jcater up and all this times i thought it was donuts or bust Action: jcater knows for a fact there are no donuts around here so I'm in search of alternate substinance hmmm, got to authenticate against PAM, such fun isn't that sustinance? sp? my bad sustenance dtm (~dtm@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm: yo werd whiiired up home fry neilt (~neilt@ip68-105-182-97.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone home? sorta ho neilt hi neilt ;) hello neilt: nope nobody is here :) Action: chillywilly needs a nap jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jcater' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. Topic changed on #gnuenterprise by jcater!~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com: Welcome to #gnuenterprise... in case of emergency, break glass #gnuenterprise: mode change '-o jcater' by jcater!~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left #gnuenterprise. jcater: wtf does thay mean? that* you've never seen that expression? of course but what does it mean in context with GNUe? we're in a state of emergency? ;) or there could possibly be one? do you see broken class? c/class/glass yea I see some anywho caroline hit a deer with my car the other day rock! did you get to keep the meat? well the deer ran into the side of the car Action: jcater had deer chili last night she didn't want it I ssaid she should've got it but she was all upset cause she killed the thing she doesn't eat much meat anymore she'll get a hambuerger take a few bites then pull the meat off chillywilly: that's sad I guess the deer population is do bad they have sharp shooters taking 'em down (the not eating meat thing) heheh Action: jcater has a freezer of deer courtesy of park rangers who have had to thin the herd wild hog too though I'm out of that :( how does wild hog taste/ ? if done right like pork :) if not done right wild-tasting pork sheesh really? I thought it would taste like chicken Action: chillywilly trout slaps jcater into a comma then why'd ya ask? I thought it might taste a little different fewlio I dunno usually I like it when ppl embellish on things and carrying on some interesting conversation instead of stating the obvious to be a big fat amsrt ass ;P Action: jcater was being serious, he thought if done right, not much different than store-bought pork (maybe slightly heartier taste) but if not done right, it has a really strong "wild" taste chillywilly: you want that farscape ever? yea ^tape just that I don't have my vehicle I'll be out and about tomorrow ok neilt (~neilt@ip68-105-182-97.nv.nv.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Action: havoc ponders blasting dumbass on MLUG list ;) Action: havoc has little tolerance for morons gah you know he posted a bug to gnu common c++ list seems like he's following me to all projects I contribute to heh but he's too stpid to read the list caus ethat bug was fixed in cvs I'd blast him, as his post is so full of falacies it's not even funny, but I lack the time don't bother I'm not he's a fewl I don't really wanna piss the rest of the list off he's a troll I only blast him when I feel it will be entertaining for everyone else but this is too obvious i.e. If I trash him, I'll just be "preaching to the choir" he is such a waste of space heh hmm, mutt doesn't even link that in with a thread he lacks basic logic skills it's almost as if he made it up or something ;) omg On 14 Nov 2002 that's why I have those emails archives archived* HEH he replied to something 3 months old? yea geez luser I think if he ever came to a LUG meeting he would get the crap kicked out of him heh I doubt it no one there would do anything like that except maybe me ;) he's not really worth it though he exists merely as a warning to others of what not to be an a$$hole? he's an RMS wannabe but like an opposite RMS or something eh, RMS fails a bit in his logic more often than not bah, he's not even that RMS has a lot to learn about "diplomacy" at least RMS wrote some kick ass code at one point in his life I don't fault RMS's engineering skills only his personality he's not good at "winning the people over" Marc doesn't even know enough to fix a simple bug in gnu common c++ when I put my mind to it, I can lick booty w/ the best of them I can sell anyone on anything RMS needs to learn that most valuable skill he's not gonna no, he's not