the plus side of having my office in the basement is that I can really turn the stereo up a bit heh apt-cache search gave me a regex compilation error that's too funny like ~800W RMS up (root mean square that is) Action: chillywilly is hybernating in the basement too havoc: thanks fr the clarification ;) heh no EEs here? Action: chillywilly knows RMS Action: chillywilly is half an EE ;P RMS ~= 0.707 of peak or something right or 1.414 of P-P Vpp! Action: havoc has EE flashbacks mmm, KiSS you know I should've been a mathemetician ;P I've forgotten more than most will ever learn :( heavy drinking doesn't help I suppose you are the all knowing all powerful havoc no, just old I'm an over-educated recovering recovering alcoholic (yes, I'm recovering from my recovery) does that mean you attempted to recover twice? oh couldn't get shit done sober plus I'm not a nice guy when sober what about yer liver? I'm not nice uncaffinated either bah I hope to afford a new one by the time new ones are available Action: chillywilly hasn't drank alcohol in months upon months I also support my med-student little brother for other reasons than his benefit ;) I can't remember the last time geez HEH you gotta come by and suck down some guinness w/ me some time yea, I am pure as the driven snow *cough* well whadda ya know that applet was right there in the menu the whole time ;) maybe I am drunk I can't work drunk, or sober, just need a decent buzz and lots of caffine then I'm good to go and the reason I bitch about good PR and business skills is I know very well how much I suck at them yet I am force to do all my own biz crap lol which I don't like doing course not ;) but oh well, I guess I'm doing ok you're a geek that stuff is for the socially well adjusted ppl or something but necessary for financial success not ppl who prefer to lock themself in the dungeon to code ;) fortunately my skills are sought after all my business has been by word of mouth no advertising at all yea and since I can't find qualified help, I'm forced to turn jobs down you should call it "havoc(tm)" ;P I do own havoc.org heheh :) if I can get a steady enough cash flow goin on there are many things I will end up doing once the stress level decreases like my indie production company/coop chillywilly: you ever hear of The Buzzhorn? local Milwaukee group? yep I did their website they made it big ppl were talking about them on the Gufs message board you know the Gufs? rather, I did the code, Alyssa did the Flash, and Mike did the layout/other gfx http://goran.kicks-ass.org well, they now absolutely fscking hate Atlantic they got royally screwed http://crazymike.dyndns.org www.thebuzzhorn.com heh, I still have ftp access to atlantic's servers heheh is this why you were talking smack about them? yes they suck incompetent morons but what do you expect from a record company? so anyway, the guy Mike that did the gfx has a band, Alyssa's hubbie has a band I know many local bands so I'm convincing them all to never sign but do you know Goran of the Gufs? :) and to start their own production co-op no rats I know Mark from the Sweattarts haha sweettarts bastard went and got married hehe, you know the Cooking w/ Ken/American Movie ppl from the Falls/Germantown? I drink w/ them a lot nope they are some crazy ppl; live by BarleyPop ok their production manager for American Movie is my Woman's cousin man I would kill for caffiene Man, that was a lame movie :) I am so much fiending that I might actually get off my ass and go to the store...erm maybe as bad as Battlefield Earth? ;) you never saw American Movie? geez I'm not sure doesn't ring a bell it's by/about those guys from Menomonee Falls Mike Shank, Chris waht-his-name, etc... bunch of stoners HEH well I did see int he tribune that my sister's friend got put in prison for armed robbery ;P nice he robbed the gast station with a bb gun to get some money for coke dumbass that kid used to hang out at the house little sis? yea I am the oldest figures they all stoppped haning ot with him when he started snorting coke beer right back ... ok jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. wb donut boy :) thx trout thumper ok, mr. carter you've had enough for one night put the alcohol down ;) Action: chillywilly is away: draggin' my ass out into the cold to get caffiene case I am an addict you at home? and have vcd magick available? $ cat Burning-Video-CDs.txt To convert AVI files to VCD format: transcode -i MyMovie.avi -V -y mpeg -F v,4 -E 44100 -b 224 -o test tcmplex -o test.mpg -i test.m1v -p test.mpa -m v vcdimager test.mpg # This creates a videocd.cue and videocd.bin To Burn VideoCD files (*.cue,*.bin): cdrdao write --device 0,0,0 --speed 4 videocd.cue Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:12:51) Action: jcater is reasonably sure transcode handles more than AVI files reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. but that's what I was taking notes on at the time hi reinhard why's everyone up so late tonight? um derek: did you have off today cause of the federal holiday? who says we aren't up early? reinhard: is probably up early not late ;) yeah state holiday here cool beans jcater you have sources list and programs need for your notes? does a donut have holes? # VideoCD/DiVX, etc, stuff deb http://mplayer.nmeos.net testing/ deb http://marillat.free.fr/ testing main deb http://mplayer.nmeos.net unstable/ deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main is what I used at the time I think they are still valid mmmm beef jerky and vanilla coke my fav :) toasted bagel and cream cheese and beer wood glue and crusty old bread (well, it's all I have on my desk :( yuck yes i'm up early 7:42 for me 12:42pm CST ;P Action: derek wonders if i could use gtoaster to burn the image instead of cdrdao I'm sure you can just don't ask me for help when it fails ;) actually, I couldn't help w/cdrdao either Action: jcater just figured out the syntax and never went further in learning it most gui burner software licks balls Action: chillywilly bows down to the command line ;) yeah after learning command line I just can't stand any of the GUIs but that's true of almost everything I do in *nix :) k3b is supposed to be nice (and kde) Action: chillywilly hisses Action: derek made his peace with gtoaster does that mean you give up on it? or it is working? jcater: what are the steps you list i.e. what if i have an mpg already would i only need to do the vcdimager step then burn? um not 100% sure if the mpg is at the right rates, etc then yes but if its not then not sure well cd's are cheap ;) is there a way to test a vcd image mplayer may play one not sure I tested on my dreamcast i think you are right btw: if this works it will force me to upgrade my internet connection ;) then again the wife now is demanding i buy the PVR box for our dish so it may not be nearly as important hey you guys every hear of ABAP? though i have youth bugging me to make them music videos some language that SAP uses mix of SQL and Cobol All Bad Asses Program heheh gack it's 1:00 yep sigh bed time? well, derek, I have to go to bed you getting locked out jcater? ;) so you are on your own w/those pr0n videos chillywilly: i noticed in their marketing materials that ABAP stood for American Business Already Pilfered hah to note to sales people, which businesses had no more money to give them usage jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Hans don't bother calling Enron, they are ABAP. that DanielD guy in #sapdb works at SAP really.. j/k lol yeah he tested the drivers for SAP-DB for gnue :) cool so you still sweating SAP-DB hardcore? ;) is it a pain to setup? pain to setup debs will be ready this weekend possibly or so jbailey warns me :) Action: derek must run Action: derek is away: sleep ok night psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hey psu hi there Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello hi Arturas just sent you two threads for 16th let me know which one you want to do & I'll do the other one ;-) both :) i'm hungry :) Action: psu likes it when they are this keen ;-) :))) Action: psu has a mammoth mail thread on gnue-dev to do this week Action: psu is away: I'm busy Action: psu is back (gone 00:11:25) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise (""the women come and go, speaking of Michaelangelo...""). ^gav (~gav@formika.chereda.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ^gav (~gav@formika.chereda.net) left #gnuenterprise ("CU"). chillywilly (~danielb@frodo.libertyetech.com) left irc: "night" johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. ah, winmodems, gotta love the little beasts ajmitch_ (ajmitch@ppp39.earthlight.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch_ (ajmitch@ppp39.earthlight.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ninja (rossg@i3-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: btami is away: out Action: btami is back (gone 00:53:11) wb btami thanks :) ninja (rossg@i3-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-187.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. larsu (~rfox@user-0c9366d.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi i came in to see what gnue's current state with nola/acclite was. the reason i'm asking is that I came across a project called OSSuite ( http://www.ossuite.org ) that has taken nola and made the web interface prettier, and i think wrote some back-end code too. anyhow, the project seems to have some parallels to gnue. interesting - i haven't heard much of nola/acclite/gnue-sb's status lately, you'll need to wait for derek or jcater to be up & about they've ended up running a cvs for their changes to nola as well. I mentioned gnue and it's evaluation of nola with a project guy with ossuite, and got him interested in talking to gnue about collaborating on all those changes. yeah i figured. i was hoping derek would scroll when he wakes up :) i'll try and idle in here for a bit ok it's apparantly 5:17am for derek baby (~chaos@p508393C2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ok Nick change: baby -> bunny bunny (~chaos@p508393C2.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dsmith Good Morning, ajmitch btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-144.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hey SachaS how are you? hi ajmitch. good thanks. the australian linux conference started, yuppieyy you been going along to it? linux torvalds shall be here, they say. sure. ajmitch. monday, tuesday was debian miniconference, tomorrow the main conference starts http://linux.conf.au/programme.html if you see rhys weatherly there (a DotGNU man), tell him hi from me :) yeah he speaks saturday! yup ok. will say hi to him. how is life? ajmitch: how is life? life is well sorry, got a bit of vnc lag :) ok. ajmitch do you know how i can resolve an irq conflict when i load the pcmcia wireless module? start removing hardware? :) Action: ajmitch has never dealt with pcmcia hmmm ok. will try tomorrow again. a pity there's no gnue presence at LCA (this year) ajmitch: i am hopeless, i just use free software, not contributing anything.... heh, i'm about the same :) my gnue contributions have been pretty minimal (at best) i saw reinhard when i was in europe and he explained quite some things about the app server to me..... so that was interesting to me. that's cool yep. very much so are you currently looking at using gnue, or just learning the bits & pieces? Action: ajmitch has just started to use forms in small tasks - will be using reports asap i was a bit involved with sap so i came across gnue. right i like the idea reinhard has very much his ideas are rather larger scale i think yes, he has some good ideas there so i do not know what I am going to do next year help gnue out ;) maybe something with erp, and electronic business and if possible gpl but that might be hard to find, such a job. a paid job, i mean. yeah you could just do it in your spare time tho true, i like to install stuff and trie them out, home network etc like i do :) i did digital video camera to debian notebook via firewire then editing with kino and export to mpeg1, or dvd rip etc cool stuff but taking time yeah jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. morning jamest ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-187.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) ninja (rossg@p13-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-245-241.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. see you tomorrow bye SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-144.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). morning dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater! ajmitch!!! how are you sir? tired very tired hehe i'm starting to get that way - it's past my bedtime Action: ajmitch is still having piles of fun coding python stuff Action: jcater is in zope mode these days will be for another week or two at least so I still get my python fix but not gnue fix yeah, i'm doing webware at the moment i've got something that's meant to be finished by 8am or so ;) jcater: How do you like zope? I tried it, but I was just confused. (I just did a Debian install). jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yo jeff :) derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dsmith: very powerful slight learning curve :( derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: I tried a tutorial, but I don't think it was working right. I'll be looking at it again, as I keep hearing good things about it. ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-245-241.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away Action: jbailey is away: lunch derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (~danielb@frodo.libertyetech.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morning chillywilly larsu (~rfox@user-0c9366d.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: morning rm-away (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) rm-away (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" dtm (~dtm@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm (~dtm@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) joined #gnuenterprise. you guys see this: http://www.postgresql.com/news.php?NewsID=112 ? it's kinda old I know ;) ninja (rossg@p13-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ninja (rossg@i10-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm, their new site is a lot harder to navigate where the frell is the documentation link? Action: jbailey is back (gone 01:15:19) Action: jbailey is away: meeting Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-84-249.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-84-249.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-84-249.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hello Chipaca Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:17:32) Nick change: Chipaca -> ChipAway Anyone know if there's a Lotus Notes type of Free Software project out there? jbailey: phpgroupware? I'm trying to look on freshmeat, but I can't seem to find the right words. jbailey: try 'groupware' :) Huh, interesting. phpgroupware doesn't look like it has the massive replication and checkout options. pitty since otherwise it looks right. Action: ChipAway has no idea Nick change: ChipAway -> Chipaca jbailey: I know lotus notes (both client and server) work on linux, if that's any use to you Yeah, we're in the middle of deploying it here. I've always liked the idea, and it seems like the clients are usable now. (Unlike 6 years ago when I looked last time) I like the idea of document checkout and decent replication. jbailey: when we had to set up to complete a conversion (win->linux), we were surprised how it seemed to amount to a lot of magic glue around the apropriate standard stuff I'm trying to parse that. Which conversion? jbailey: the guys ran windows, moved to linux, needed to still run lotus notes jbailey: we converted them from windows to linux... jbailey: in part thanks to the BSA inquisition :) *lol* It's a pitty none of the Free databases out there seem to be even looking at good replication, though. jbailey: replication as in keep-two-separate-bases-in-sync? http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Databases/PostgreSQL/Replication/ Yes, where changes can be made to either database. If the databases get separated for any amount of time, some effort is made to resync them. jcater: Ah nice! It hadn't occured to me to look for addons. Action: Chipaca tries not to think "duh!", and fails johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" hehe *lol* The databases that I'm familiar with all provide it natively (Oracle, Notes). The add on stuff I've seen for Ms-sql consistently fails to do the job. jbailey: how important is replication? Chipaca: To many of my sites? Critical. I work in the financial industry. The SLA's are starting to specify 100% uptime. jbailey: I mean, it complicates even the theory of databases, let alone the practical ways around 'em jbailey: linux-ha? jbailey: that's what I meant; if it's just an uptime issue, you probably don't want full replication, just some master-slave, or main-backup scheme Isn't linux-ha mostly just fast fallover, though? jbailey: I think the original howto was, but now I believe they've grown Cool. http://linux-ha.org/ It's a pitty they don't mention last updated dates on some of these pages. It would be nice to know if the todo lists are current or not. jbailey: http://www.postgresql.com/news.php?NewsID=112 hmm, that's probably non-free DOH maybe not Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-84-249.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "brb" anyone know if erserver is non-free? V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. I'm really tempted to volunteer for linux-ha to do their website. There's a whole lot of stuff on here, and most of it doesn't say anything. HEH mmm, breakfast go to bed ajmitch :) nah, not tired oh well got to be down by the med school at 10am anyway i'll sleep tonight why? btami (~btami@3e70d721.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all btami! cos i'm taking part in medical research ;) chillywilly! eek Action: chillywilly hurls trout at btami ajmitch: lol auch if someone likes mplayer, deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer ./ it's hot seems like there's a french site packaging it too Someone else has been maintaining the packages on a private mirror too. chillywilly: honest, i am deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main Lots of good stuff on that one. yea and that;s what makes it funny yeah, answering some questions :) Action: chillywilly has that line that packages are not supported by mplayer guys Dunno. I instaleld mplayer to test an xvid problem I was having with xine. Otherwise I still just use xine for everything. xine eh? Yeah is that in the main debian archive? Yes Everything but the libdvdcss2 that you might also want. =) no dvd rom But that's at the apt-source I pointed to, as well. I have marillat's stuff I have that exact line in my sources.lit mplayer handles everything I throw at it pretty good.. gstreamer is the best multimedia lib man! ;P ooooh, new gstreamer packages in sid man I've yet to grab a pr0n that mplayer hasn't handled err, I mean home video shoot yea riiiiight erm, you mkake pron videos at home? ;P make of course gotta pay those bills some how being VP of 2 companies doesn't cut it? man I need to take a nap V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) bbl g'night btami (~btami@3e70d721.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sup dewd? not much all quiet on the #gnuenterprise front except for arguing ;) we do that well anyone use lyx witht he QT frontend? ninja (rossg@i10-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) rm-away (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect" aa_ (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all! jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." hello captain james t of the gnuenterprise reporting to the bridge capin I canna hould it moooch looonger! 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Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@frodo.libertyetech.com) got netsplit. chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-125.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. poor havoc ? [19:57:45] bah dude I wish we never made that stupid sourceforge mlug list moderated as no one remembers the apssword and I keep getting the mail joe sent to it every single day it's annoying huh? remember that sf project that they created for mlug? nope there was a mailing list and joe changed the default pass and he made me moderator and no one remembers the pass and he posted to this list heheh now sf mails me every day derek (~dneighbo@dslstat-ppp-215.fastq.com) joined #gnuenterprise. poop no jcater tonight? jamest: you know if he will be around later? jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-81.citlink.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (~danielb@frodo.libertyetech.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hey anyone here know how to do a scan to tell what the active/available serial port devices are? dmesg|grep ttyS /dev/ttySX that should work er, what jcater said dneighbo@latitude:/var/lock$ dmesg |grep ttyS ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged! [21:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s). ttyS04 at port 0x4080 (irq = 11) is a 16550A dneighbo@latitude:/var/lock$ how should i interpret this? i cant get minicom to talk wtf Action: jcater has no idea what that LSR stuff is try the first and last Action: chillywilly doesn't either tried both to no avail :( Action: jcater suspects an IRQ conflict how many ports are on the machine? The message you're seeing is a serial driver error, and it indicates that a UART has returned 0xff in a condition where where it absolutely shouldn't. This typically means that a serial port is misconfigured, and is an attempt open it has caused the serial to notice that the LSR register is returning all 0xFF. Since should never happen except when a port is is misconfigured to an non-existing I/O region, and this can cause the kernel hang in an infinite loop forever, the serial driver checks for this case and prints the "LSR safety check engaged" message. http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0002.1/0075.html funky chillywilly: its me you really think its all that odd ;) what's significant in kde 3.x? is there something major? (asking because I have no idea, I dont follow it at all) lots of improvements konq works with most sites now lots of UI tweaks hard to describe mountains built of details? =) but it's just more "convincing" derek: ummm, nope derek: you are truly cursed ;) jcater: would you suggest it for a maw and paw system? it's what I give my callcenter and what I give my wife so take that for what it's worth I use it day in and day out but I don't count :) I do take that with a pinch of salt as I know you use it yourself. though the reason i've used it the last few years is because I gave it to my users so decided I should take my own medicine right Vee2d2: try Gnome 2 :) gack <-gnome user guess I should probably install it somewhere, hmm.. maybe a vmware session.. =) :( vmware is non-free sure wasnt.. =/ but neither is the highly proprietary digitizing software I use to create embroidery designs and communicate with the machine(s) =( could have bought a car with what it cost yeeek sounds like a job for python! hehe jcater: HEH great, when do we get started? GNUe(mbroidery) when the money is right jcater will talk ;) I've often thought about that thought about funding GNUe? ;) muwahaha xxxx xxxxxxx xxxx xx xx xxxxx xx xx xx xx xx [22:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). xx xx xx xx xx xx xxxx xxxx xxxx y'know.. like I hear about people offering bounties on certain things to inspire an itch financially.. there's my demo app what d'ya think? (my initials :) that too, chillywilly.. your middle name is Jason? yes aaah, you're one of those ppl ;) but seriously.. if it's going to cost me upwards of 25K for software which will require another $x-xxK to upgrade down the road.. I wonder what that 25K would buy me is OSS code.. C. Jason Carter Craaaaaazy Jason Cater! Vee2d2: lots and lots of donuts heheh shoot borderlining on a franchise :) the entry point of the software systems has dropped considerably since we entered the industry.. it was around $10K for a basic system back then.. 30K for the tops.. you can get a pretty decent basic system for about 3 or 4K now tops for around 17K.. who does the embrodiery stuff? is taht you Vee2d2 you get good deals? as in, produce it.. you bet.. get? I make good deals.. =) you owner/operator I am 'the man'.. there is no middle man here.. yes yummy we need to talk gnue merchandise :) derek: that was what prompted my last conversation about logos before christmas :) yes we do.. I'm finishing up some sample work tonight and tomorrow and then will be free to work on some logos Action: jcater still likes his goat logo :) but alas Action: jcater stands alone :`( the negative space type logos like that tend to do good on woven goods like denims, twills, nylons etc.. there maybe an issue due to shrinkage with knits like golf shirts what about cotton underwear? 'cause I need a gnue goat on underwear it's a matter of principle Action: jcater isn't sure which principle but one of them not a problem, I've dont lots of panties^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hundies before.. haha.. rofl the other day can I get some panties embroidered w/a donut and a chicken strip? gotta mark my babe the other day? we were at my sister in law's house and her neighbor was wearing a hawaii tshirt with 3 thong'd chicks on the back that said something like 'Only in Hawaii' or some such.. and he was teasing my daughter asking if she could see it and asking her what was on his shirt and she blurts out, "MOMMIE!!" how old is your daughter? 2.. will be 3 in may lol she keeps getting in mommy's panty drawer and putting her thong panties on, but the part that's s'pose to go around the hip is pulled up over her shoulders and she runs around saying 'swimmin time! swimmin time! I'm swimmin!' lol heheh kids are a h00t.. =) amen to that brotha we were at my grandparents for thanksgiving I like the goat logo, btw.. =) (very conservative christians... very "proper") and TJ was sitting at the bar near by passing gas left and right but after each time he's say, "G'ma... my butt's making noise!" hah poor kid had an upset stomach but in context it was funny bbl derek (~dneighbo@dslstat-ppp-215.fastq.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater: lol ninja (rossg@p6-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. sawadee ninja rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-125.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" sawadee khap vee2d2 Vee2d2: yoo thee nai khap :) pom pewt thai my gang =) meuan khan phom! Vee2d2: where you from? texas. =) cool My wife was born in near Ubon cool - my girlfriend comes from Ubon my thai is very very rough, particularly we mainly speak lao. =) you're in Bankkok I guess? 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