Action: derek is away: bed SachaS (~Sacha@client-155.wireless.linux.conf.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi everyone hey SachaS you at LCA now? how is it? :) what jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" erm, what's LCA? hi ajmitch. i saw your friend and gave him your regards linux.conf.au hehe, cool ah Linux Conference Australia in Perth his talk will be tomorrow chillywilly:rhys is speaking there yea ajmitch: rhys regrets that the "broke" student cannot attend :) ajmitch: he said you should try for the "sun free long distance" something something program next year Action: ajmitch wouldn't mind going next year - it's probably the only conference i can get to so far it has been quite a success great you upsidedown ppl crack me up :P ajmitch: how is your gnue application going? slowly, i haven't done anything on it this week :) gtg. see yas happy hacking SachaS (~Sacha@client-155.wireless.linux.conf.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). reinhard (~reinhard@M692P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@203.146.54.212) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning morning SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-133.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi SachaS hi ajmitch. "biometric and linux" and "linux kernel code audit" just finished ajmitch: tomorrow they show the movie "Revolution OS" hehe, fun ajmitch: and your friend rhys is talkin on .net fun yep actually i felt asleep during the biometrics and linux talk :) lol it was that exciting? i could not be bothered and was very tired :) thought just have a nap and ooops talk almomst over hehe the debian project leader had a couple of talks yeah, rhys is mainly talking about the design of the pnet interpreter, he has an interesting paper written up abaout it (i wonder if he's written his talk...) :) bdale? bdale yes rusty russel, linus, and andrew tridgale had a Q&A last night plus bdale was OK. yeah, i listened to it, it was on the website ajmitch: your just a geek :) hehe, and proud of it ;) yep btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Remote closed the connection ok. gtg. cyas later ok, see ya SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-133.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Action: chillywilly is away: zzzZZZ all I wanna do is ooma zoom zoom is it me or is chanserv wiggin out? ninja (rossg@203.146.54.212) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) frelling thermostat must have it's probe outside somewhere.. Action: Vee2d2 opens a window ninja (rossg@r15-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. sawadee ninja sawadee khrap ninja: so what is your interest with gnue? i'm a developer that's always had this itch to scratch, and i reckon gnue is already doing it so (when i get some time) i'm going to get my head around it properly and try to start using it aha, we're in the same camp then.. =) probably :) i'm using a homegrown a little invoicing and quoting procedure with XML/XSLT atm it's quite cool, but i'd like to extend it to do all sorts of things that gnue is probably already doing neat do you use that for something you do on your own or for a company? on my own but it's the sort of thing i wrote so that i could sell it to a company if it wanted it it's in no fit state to sell yet, by any stretch of the imagination but it's a seed planted it's always good to keep that in mind when doing some scratching. =) what is it you're selling? mostly just my services as a developer I was more than half way through my 2nd attempt to create a php based system for making sales, purchases, invoices, etc.. for my embroidery business when I decided to base it instead on gnue. my 1st attempt resulted in a very 'clunky' badly designed hard to maintain mess.. =/ it was a good learning experience. What part of the country is Samui in? rossg_ (rossg@203.146.54.209) joined #gnuenterprise. welcome back? =) Vee2d2: sorry, connection here's a bit temperamental :) I can imagine, what part of the country is Samui in? khor thoht khrap it's one of the islands in the south just off suratthani ahh ok! wow, that's neat pictures: http://www.golder.org/pictures/rossg ok I see it on my map now.. Ko Samui? yep did i not say Ko i forget sometimes man.. I'm envious.. =) so maybe you can point me in the right direction? ? i'm trying to figure out how gnue stores things like invoices and quotes so i can write an importer for my existing invoices, and set up a test environment in a database schema? yours are just stored in files atm? yep, in a set of 1001.xml, 1002.xml, 1003.xml etc, and a invoice.xsl and invoice-fo.xsl, and a script to produce nice PDFs. i could write a parser that spits out SQL and feed it into a mysql db, but i can't figure out what schema gnue is expecting of me? it's up to you.. yeah, that's kind of what i figured it will use a preexisting db but how would it use my pre-existing db? with forms hang on I'm being distracted by my wife =/ np :) ninja (rossg@r15-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) mai bpen rai khap Nick change: rossg_ -> ninaj Nick change: ninaj -> ninja khor thoht khrap well, I guess you could approach it in one of 2 ways, you could pick a db and setup your tables however you wished, import your data into 'em and go from there. the forms-designer has a nice wizard to interface with the db.. or you could layout your schema in gnue schema definition files (gsd) and let gnue translate it to the appropriate sql schema for whatever db.. the gsd-to-sql can translate to oracle or postgresql right now.. (I think that's the only 2) I'm still learning my way around too, btw. rossg_ (rossg@r41-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. did you get any of that? i got as far as '...distracted by my wife...' ahh khor thoht khrap are there any existing invoice-like forms templates i can base mine on, or is it a 'start from scratch' exercise? well, I think you could setup the db however you wanted, setup the proper settings in gnue.conf, and then use the forms designer which has a nice wizard to interface with the db. there might be something in the samples directories I dont recall exactly I'm still learning my way around too, btw. there is a sample form in the forms/samples/po directory for purchase orders rossg__ (rossg@203.146.54.216) joined #gnuenterprise. what did you get that time? ninja (rossg@203.146.54.209) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Nick change: rossg__ -> ninja ...then user the forms designer... there might be something in the samples directories I dont recall exactly I'm still learning my way around too, btw. there is a sample form in the forms/samples/po directory for purchase orders I havent even thought about printing however, I know jason has been working a lot on reports and I would assume invoice printing would fall in there somewhere. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morning derek jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. morning haha.. I have this exact poster hanging in my daughter's room http://www.golder.org/pictures/rossg/samuihome/aae morning jamest i got a nice little email from bill gates this morning telling me how great m$ security is isnt he thoughtful rossg_ (rossg@r41-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) morning anyhow just wanted to share bill's wisdom must get to work now :) revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rossg_ (rossg@r22-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: rossg_ struggles to keep a connection =) Action: Vee2d2 feeds baby dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ninja (rossg@203.146.54.216) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) rossg_ (rossg@r22-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) johannes_ (~johannes@M701P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" rossg_ (rossg@r78-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) joined #gnuenterprise. wb rossg Action: pattieja is back (gone 14:20:15) hehe grib (~grib@grib.customer.jump.net) joined #gnuenterprise. debian089 (~debian089@leary.csoft.net) joined #gnuenterprise. debian089 (~debian089@leary.csoft.net) left #gnuenterprise. rossg_ (rossg@r78-sniHS1.S.loxinfo.net.th) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mornin yo Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all howdy this has probably been asked before, but, is there any way to update the form's display in the middle of a trigger? I would like to have all the docs/irc logs in a db that I could sit and query all day long.. i.e. I want to change a label to say 'this is going to take a long time' before going and doing a search or a pill I could eat wouldnt you just want to raise a dialog that said that? Vee2d2: no, it'll take less than the dialog Vee2d2: I mean what I want to do it isn't instantaneous, but it takes less than open dialg, wait for ok plus I don't actually *know* it'll take a long time, but if it doesn't, the user won't have time to read the message :) I see dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater or jamest are you here? anyone know if dreamweaver has a cvs plugin? also anyone know of good webfarm 'checkout' programs for cvs? revDeke: what do you mean by "webfarm checkout"? revDeke: btw, the python expect screen scraper works Pretty Dang Good, if you remember that conversation. It's the only free software screen scraper I could find, and it is super easy to use. revDeke: not sure about the furst question and have no clue what you are talking about wrt the second Action: chillywilly is back (gone 08:52:07) hey isn't there an easier user friendly debian-based distro for noobs? what's the one called erm ajmitch mentioned it before I think chillywilly: I think I know the one you're talking about... I like to call it "unstable" :) HEH Debian unstable is not for newbies unless they have their own geek type friend to help them this has been my experience Libranet that's the one revDeke: webdav? is xandros debian based? never used it myself, but as I understand, it is sorta like cvs for websites Vee2d2: i've used webdav with dreamweaver and Zope. it works pretty good. the problem is that the dav protocol itself is pretty skinny and the whole versions-branches-etc has to be implemented on the server side in a special protocol of some kind Vee2d2: for example, zope and subversion both use webdav to transport data but they handle versioning verry differently what is subversion? another cms? subversion is an attempt to replace CVS for source code control. It has an almost-complete CVS emulation so you can start using it pretty quickly. ahh, I see. I like it much, much better than CVS. It fixes so many of the things that are broken. I'm not intimate with cvs or anything like it.. I must be intimate with CVS, because it has buggered me so many times over the years :) I just dont have much experience with such applications.. the actual cvs developers are the ones who are writing sbversion, IIRC subversion too Action: Chipaca returns from da meeting repeating myself now that you guys are alive: this has probably been asked before, but, is there any way to update the form's display in the middle of a trigger? psu (psu@81.98.44.32) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dsmith psu hey chilly hiya is that hiya or hiyah! ;) grib: see #gnuenterprise can be useful :) dunno, but ACK seemed kinda impersonal jcater: the deal is they want to have end users use version control to checkout/in files to a test webserver then have a web interface where tehy select files to 'publish' which then has files co to production server under a different account this being because they if they give them writes to the production server, they wont use version control Action: revDeke understands much of the fatal logic here but im trying :) irc.scifi.com's ircd config is mental Action: dsmith splatters hot chocolate all over the microwave did you burn yourself? Action: chillywilly was heating up som chili and dropped the bowl and my hands kinda went into the bowl and got burnt. I had to stick it under the sink real quick and crank the cold wanter on s/it/them that sucked hmm sounds to me like it burnt more than it sucked no, I just nuked it too long revDeke: indeed hi all aa_ (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi in GFBlock.initQuery(), why does it currently pass *all* blocks into query mode? and not only self, like it used to be? it's been the former since I can remember But then, it's exactly the same to do block1.initQuery() or block2.initQuery() ? Action: aa_ goes to get even more coffee jcater: in 0.4 it was block-specific jcater: we use it a lot blocks are evil spawn of satan IIRC 0.4 didn't do query by detail jamest: this isn't query by detail... i know but init'ing a query sets all blocks ready to accept a mask and blocks are not evil jamest: Is it necesary for doing query by detail? i'm not sure how we'd function w/o them jamest: that's now, before it was just one block i believe so jamest: Isn't it just as easy to initQuery all your blocks when you need to? jamest: Thing is now we _can't_ initQuery just one... what would trigger their init'ing? productResultBlock.processRollback() productResultBlock.initQuery() productResultBlock.nameListEntry = '%'+str(productSearchBlock.searchNameEntry)+'%' # productResultBlock.processQuery() that i mean internally when a form goes into query mode as far as triggers are concerned I don't think it'd take much to support your mode of operation Action: revDeke still thinks everything that Chipaca just pasted should be datasource stuff i.e. my refrenence to evil blocks :) in that code, doing initQuery on ResultBlock makes data in searchNameEntry unaccessible (which is in another block) true dat true dat to which? Action: jcater looks for his bat aa_'s last two lines Action: aa_ runs ok i can't see a good way to attach triggers to the datasources as the context in which they are used changes from app to app jamest: or is it accessible through some other invocation? the place it will really bite would be remote datasets/triggers (i.e. appserver) hmmmm Action: ajmitch is hungry but again its just coming from a different direction aa_: i don't recall, last night was the first night in over a month I had time for gnue not complaining (directly) what will really bite? jamest: you lucky thing i curled up w/ a printout od wx ui driver's .py files there's pretty much a 1:1 between blocks & datasources, only datasources are generic from one app to the next I felt so dirty afterward :) jcater: yeah they have gotten a lot better you seen that wxpython 2.4 is out? been a long time since i looked so i could be remembering older stuff is there anything like ThisBlock.ThisField.get_like_if_i_were_in_normal_mode() ? (or could there be?) is initQuery actually used anywhere? or else, could initQuery go back to initting just the self block and leave it up to the form to initQuery all that it wants initted? Action: aa_ stays about 300' from jcater's bat Action: Chipaca pushes aa at jcater oi! Currently, we're cheating a bit sometimes, calling form._object._logic._blockList from inside triggers to do things on all blocks. If blockList were available from inside triggers, you could initQuery all blocks just as easily :) (did that parse?) aa_: it did to me aa_: but we seem to have lost them chipaca: that could just mean we've been drinking the same coffee.. aa_: good stuff that if there isn't any ideological reason not to let the blocklist be accessible from inside triggers, then you could let initQuery just init self block, and use something like " for block in form.blockList(): block.initQuery()" to get the same results as currently you get with "AnyFrellingBlock.InitQuery()" Also, you could (if you want) initQuery just one block or do things like "for block in form.blockList(): block.rollback()" which we ar currently achieving by jumping the fence a bit. or, seeing as block.initQuery now isn't really block-specific, ... umm could _anyone_ explain to me the reasoning behind a method of a block affecting all blocks in the same way without regards of the block used to call that method? i.e. initQuery sounds much more like something you'd do with a form in its persent state it's as if you did block.exit() to shut the form Action: aa_ nudges chipaca not to give ideas it's ... umm ... how can I say this without offending people ... brainfucked :) aa_: I'd be fine with a form.initQuery that inits all blocks and a block.initQuery that inits that block block.initQuery() doe's something that behaves like a form.initQuery() chipaca: but i thought of it first form, block, form , block, form aa_: niah niah yo'momma (i'm just a slow typer) while we're about it, is there any reason for there _not_ to be a form.initQuery that behaves like jamest wants? aa_: let me see.... no Action: Chipaca is biased am not Action: Chipaca is too Action: chillywilly looks at Chipaca chipaca: shut up, both of you ;) hmmm, why does this prject always attarct such warped people? ;) project, attract Action: aa_ looks at chillywilly in a kind of bent way i ' m n o t w a r p e d ! Action: chillywilly unbends aa_ 'a look blah y e s y o u a r e ! ! ! ! man that fscks with the eyes doesn't it? yup c h i l l y w i l l y : w h a t e v e r y o u s a y , m a s s s t e r r Action: Chipaca calms down now SO! YES?? could we get an *answer* on this, so we can go ahead and *do* something? Action: ajmitch pokes jcater Action: aa_ crosses fingers you have to wait they are busy with their secksy handling of lusers y u m m y, t h a t i s e a s i e r t o r e a d. M u c h s l o w e r t o t y p e. revDeke: you could script it :) can i script it out? aa_: I don't know. Can you? yup aa_ (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.5 -- Are we there yet?" aa_ (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. see? StyXman (~mdione@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all jamest: y'alive? StyXman: no owww... when did he pass on? StyXman: shortly after 'I felt so dirty afterward' chillywilly: these argentinians are *crazy* :) ajmitch: que te pasa'vo con lo' argentino'! :) they remind me of some kiwis no, the kiwis that were here were just plain insane ajmitch: it's "argentines" btw jamest: ok, more on modalism Chipaca: interesting now CHipaca found that ine can call a MakeModal funcion on wxFrames... but... s/ine/one/ it doesn't work 'cause it's virtual (or so it says in wxpython's docu) and 'is not implemented anywhere'. so, another dead end street. StyXman: maybe grabMouse/releaseMouse is enough? Action: StyXman blinks Action: StyXman tries Action: StyXman points to the 'virtual' keyeword and prays StyXman: actually it's capture not grab, but you got it Action: StyXman fails again Action: StyXman tries again... Action: StyXman fails again Action: Chipaca weeps he, wx rocks StyXman: s/r/sucks r/ (said ... who? stallman? kill the bastard...) ah, raymond sigh raymond chandler i'm not here for a bit Action: psu went to a sports bar in North Carolina once hmm that whole "real work" thing called "He's not here" :( hello psu :) Whenever you rang the bar, they would pick up phone & say "Hello, He's Not Here..." ;-) hi ajmitch debian089 (~debian089@leary.csoft.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-86-138.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" how do you referr to an Entry from within a trigger? like to pass to setFocus Action: aa_ listens to the crickets for a while jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" :) evryone gone home already? seems that way :( i guess the friday has dragged them down don't understand these weird folk going home friday night... :) a little thing called 'users'? :) jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jcater!! 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