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<btami> good morning
<ra3vat> btami: hi
<btami> hi ra3vat
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<Arturas> Hello
<btami> hello Arturas
<reinhard> good morning all
<ra3vat> hello reinhard
<btami> ra3vat, Arturas: can you test the latest CVS a bit, i'v introduced "textEncoding" into [common] in gnue.conf
<btami> instead of formFontEncoding
<btami> if you have time
<ra3vat> i'm busy, will do at the evening
<btami> ok, thanks
<ra3vat> :)
<Arturas> btami: having exams, i'll do what i can
<btami> ok, thanks too :)
<ra3vat> :)
<ra3vat> #gnuenterprise helpful as always
<btami> it was a good round :)
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<Arturas> btami: it refused to work (tried to hit me with errors and tracebacks) with default textEncoding value (iso8859-1), but when i changed it to my native encoding (iso8859-13) it worked just fine
<btami> Arturas, thanks
<btami> i think some more error checking is needed in GBaseApp.py
<btami> todo: if encoding of *.po is different from default (iso8859-1)
<btami> msg to user to change textEncoding in gnue.conf
<ra3vat> encoding in .po is separate thing
<ra3vat> my changes was done for that
<ra3vat> to have one .po file to two platform with different default encoding (and encoding in gnue.conf)
<btami> but GBaseApp doesn't check if textEncoding _conflicts_ to *.po
<btami> as iso8859-1 conflict to both iso8859-2/cp1250
<btami> s/to/with
<btami> so the needed check is not "==" but "is conflicts"
<ra3vat> agreed with that
<Isomer> hmm
<Isomer> ajmitch?
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<ajmitch> Isomer?
<Isomer> tell me about gadfly or whatever it's called?
<ajmitch> simple 'database', done in python, can't recall if it requires python modules or not
<ajmitch> supports a decent subset of SQL
<Isomer> hmm
<ajmitch> tables stored separately in it's own format, afaik
<Isomer> is it standalone?
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<ajmitch> yeah
<Isomer> hmm
<ajmitch> well, what do you mean by standalone? :)
<Isomer> well
<Isomer> does it run as a seperate process?
<ajmitch> it can
<Isomer> but it can work just like a library?
<ajmitch> yeah, that's the normal mode afaik
<ajmitch> it could sort of be a replacement for BDE or whatever those ones are ;)
<ajmitch> i can't recall what state the GNUe driver is in, if you're wanting to use that
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<Isomer> hmm
<Isomer> just talking to a friend
<ajmitch> wb derek (autojoin, i guess)
<Isomer> he wanted to write a program to keep track of marks for a course at university
<ajmitch> ok
<Isomer> I pointed out that mysql/postgres/etc would all do the job
<Isomer> and he pointed out that for a simple program why on earth would he want to run a db that wants to be running all the time etc
<ajmitch> right
<ajmitch> that's one reason why i looked at gadfly
<ajmitch> the other was that it was there :)
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<jh>  
<ra3vat> jh: hello
<jh> q
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<jamest> ah....
<jamest> it is SO good to be back at work
<derek> honey do list that bad eh
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<StyXman> hi all
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<jamest> hi
<StyXman> jamest: ah, I thought y'were dead :)
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<StyXman> jamest: I've been poking w/ the idea of modal forms.
<StyXman> specially w/ wxpython. I couldn't make them modal
<StyXman> setModal is for wxDialogs. MakeModal is not implemented, nor Capture/ReleaseMouse (which were my last resort)
<StyXman> did you have any luck?
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<StyXman> also, I noticed that (at least in gnue 0.3.0) the entry's pre-focusout trigger is not executed when I change the row within the same entry.
<jamest> I only seriously got restarted Sat. Morning
<StyXman> jamest: yes, I heard of that.
<StyXman> np, anyways.
<jamest> Sunday was at wife's family farm (it's her birth day)
<jamest> Today is real b-day so I'm not sure if/when I'll be one tonight
<StyXman> jamest: er, again, np. we'll make it w/o modal.
<jamest> But tuesday I'll be producing code
<StyXman> I was just informing you that that will be hard to fight against
<StyXman> at least w/ re wx
<StyXman> I'm sure that gtk will make no problem
<jamest> we'll soon find out
<StyXman> jamest: ok. I wish good luck.
<jamest> as looking at the UI changes needed I decided it was good time to clean up the UI drivers
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<jamest> so I'll be trying to bring gtk, qt, and wx up to speed at same time
<jamest> and not go insane :)
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<jamest> that's what I was looking at Sat 
<StyXman> well, you're working on gnue. you *must* be insane already :)
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<aa_> 'morning
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<jbailey> Dan!
<jbailey> (I'm trying to make you feel like you're in cheers pub)
<jbailey> (Yuo now have to come up with an appropriately witty line)
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> Jeff!
<chillywilly> don't make me trout slap you!
<chillywilly> witty enough for ya?
<chillywilly> ;P
<jbailey> =)
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<jcater> hehe
<jcater> I love reinhard's closing messages
<jcater> or better yet... "Real programmers don't comment their code... besides, if you can't understand their code, what makes you think you'll understand their comments?"
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> anyone got jabber?
<chillywilly> try to send me a message at chillywilly@libertyetech.com
<jbailey> Chillywilly, the new spokesman for Jabber:
<jbailey> "Got Jabber?"
<chillywilly> well anyone can se the libertyetech.com jabber server if they want...erm, but first I have to get it back up and running ;)
<chillywilly> s/se/use/
<jbailey> I'm generally signed into the main jabber servers, but will probably turn it off in gaim one day soon.  Noone else uses it.
<jbailey> Jabber's great for Intranets, though.
<chillywilly> yea, but you just run the appropriate transports
<chillywilly> geeks use it
<chillywilly> :)
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<chillywilly> that's cause you rock
<dsmith> chillywilly: Error 504: Remote server timeout. Unable to deliver packet.
<dsmith> chillywilly: That's what I get
<chillywilly> I think I have to open the server port
<chillywilly> 5269 or whatever it is
<chillywilly> what's your jid?
<dsmith> dpsm@jabber.org
<dsmith> It's port 5222
<dsmith> (at least for jabber.org)
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> but s2s runs on port 5269
<chillywilly> c2s is on 5222
Action: dsmith is humbled
<chillywilly> try it now
<chillywilly> erm, lemme add yo
<chillywilly> you
<dsmith> chillywilly: yaay
<chillywilly> thar she blows
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<jbailey> dyfet: Heya.
<dyfet> hi
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<chillywilly> hi dyfet
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<jcater_> oooo
<jcater_> I have a tail
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<revDeke> any one knowing anything about windows here?
<revDeke> i have a client that runs windows (shame)
<revDeke> that moved all the files in the root c:\ directory into a folder called c:\system files
<revDeke> everything amazingly worked for a day or so
<revDeke> until he rebooted
<revDeke> now it tells him it can not find a system disk
<revDeke> he spent 2 days solid w/ Dell tech support and got no where
<revDeke> he is begging for help
<revDeke> i had him use rescue disk to get into dos and copy the files from c:\system files to c:\ again
<revDeke> but reboot still yields (unable to find system disk)
<revDeke> any suggestions? 
Action: revDeke hasnt touched windows for ever
Action: revDeke thought about telling him to put in disk #1 from debian set
<revDeke> and just answer the questions ;)
<jcater> what version of windows?
<revDeke> win98
<jcater> and this is a win98 rescue disk?
<jcater> has he tried booting that win98 rescue disk and doing sys C:
<jcater> ?
<revDeke> ok let me get him on the phone
<revDeke> you have a minute?
<jcater> sure
<jcater> just got home
<revDeke> he is not computer user
<jcater> (btw, this is all from distant memory :)
<revDeke> so asking him what kind of 'disk' it is will yield 'cdrom'
Action: revDeke dials phone.....
<jcater> so this was the Win98 install cd, booted into dos?
Action: jcater is trying to get a feel for the situation :)
<revDeke> somethign like that
<revDeke> either dell rescue disk
<revDeke> or win98 disk
<revDeke> you want him in dos to do the sys c:
<revDeke> if so he can get in dos :)
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> grrrr
<jcater> just started win4lin on my debian machine
<jcater> and msn messenger pops up
<jcater> damn wife
<jcater> !@#@!#
<jcater> command
<revDeke> :)
Action: revDeke cant get a hold of him
<revDeke> after he does sys c:
<revDeke> what should he do?
<revDeke> oh here he is
<ajmitch> hey revDeke
<jcater> gasp!
<jcater> it's ajmitch?
<ajmitch> no, it's not!!
<ajmitch> it's an imposter!
<jcater> whew
<jcater> for a minute I thought you were the win98 guy
<ajmitch> heh
<revDeke> he is booting into dos
<ajmitch> i've spent far too long with windows, i know what i'm doing with that :)
Action: ajmitch would simply put the harddrive in a GNU/Linux box, move the files back, sys c: (if i really really needed windows)
<revDeke> rofl
<revDeke> files moved back
<revDeke> did that earlier forgot about sys c:
<ajmitch> :)
<revDeke> is it F8 that gets you the system menu in win98?
<jcater> I think so
<revDeke> sys c: give him bad command or filename
<ajmitch> meh
<jcater> c:\windows\command\sys c:
<ajmitch> yeah, that should work
<jcater> (if it's recognizing his c drive)
<ajmitch> if the drive is formatted with a fta fs, it'll recognise it
<ajmitch> fat
<jcater> he
<jcater> err
<jcater> and if it's not formatted that way
<revDeke> can not specify default drive
<jcater> he has SERIOUS issues :)
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> curses
<jcater> huh?
<jcater> what is his current drive?
<ajmitch> change to a: first
<revDeke> c:
<revDeke> having him go to a: and try again
<jcater> oops
<ajmitch> yay, fixing stuff over the phone
<revDeke> system transfered and back to a prompt
<jcater> lol
<jcater> worse than that aj
<revDeke> now should he just reboot?
<jcater> fixing stuff over irc
<jcater> with a proxy via phone
<jcater> revDeke: yeah
<ajmitch> irc->derek->phone->idiot :)
<revDeke> he is smart guy actually
<ajmitch> smart enough to move the files & break it all?
Action: ajmitch shuts up
<revDeke> hmmmm
<revDeke> ok now it boots
<ajmitch> useful
<revDeke> and shows windows flag screen
<revDeke> but then goes to c:\ prompt
<ajmitch> now get him a woody install disk, asap!!
<revDeke> any ideas
<jcater> type "win"
<jcater> and see if it goes into windows
Action: ajmitch wonders if it didn't copy the files properly - system.1st is in c:\
<revDeke> bad command or file name
<jcater> bugger
<ajmitch> and copy may not touch system/hidden files
<jcater> get him to do a dir c:\system
<jcater> (will that show hidden?)
<ajmitch> nah
<revDeke> i dont think so
<ajmitch> dir /a
<jcater> dir /as
<jcater> err, or that :)
<revDeke> hold on
Action: ajmitch was thinking, 'dir -a, no, that's not quite right...
<revDeke> had him do c:\windows\win
<revDeke> and he gets a blue windows screen
<ajmitch> damn gnu tools have spoilt me :)
<ajmitch> ouch, registry problems?
<revDeke> says if you want to run windows select y otherwise n
<revDeke> might be fixing things here
<revDeke> it says if you choose yes your cmoputer will become unstable (hahahaha)
<revDeke> i had him choose no
<revDeke> and it now seems to be hanging
<revDeke> having him do ctrl-alt-del
<revDeke> then will have him do a 
<revDeke> dir /as c:\system\
Action: ajmitch thinks that something is not quite right here :)
<ajmitch> does he need windows?
<revDeke> dir /as c:\system\
<revDeke> no c:\system
<revDeke> but there is a c:\windows\system\
<revDeke> c:\windows\system32\
<jcater> erm
<jcater> but I thought he moved his c:\ into c:\system\
<jcater> ?
<revDeke> would you like a dir /as of either of those
<revDeke> he moved
<revDeke> the root files only (not directories)
<revDeke> from c:\ into c:\system files
<jcater> hmmm
<ajmitch> ah
<revDeke> ie. he made a system files directory to remove 'clutter' on c:\
<jcater> so there's no c:\system now?
<revDeke> i had him in dos
<ajmitch> dir /as c:\system~1 perhaps
<revDeke> there is a system files yes
<revDeke> i.e. c:\system~1
<jcater> oh
<ajmitch> well that's what we were meaning, tell him to list all the contents of that
<jcater> "system files"
Action: jcater read that at "system" files
<jcater> oops
<ajmitch> as there will be hidden files in there :)
<ajmitch> heh, so did i
<jcater> this is fun!
<revDeke> ok
<jcater> :)
<ajmitch> sicko
<revDeke> dir /as
<revDeke> yields 4 files
<revDeke> 0 dirs
<revDeke> diong a dir
<revDeke> yeilds 22 files and 0 dirs
<revDeke> should he copy the hidden files to c:\
<ajmitch> great
<ajmitch> yeah, and run sys c: again :)
<jcater> yup, what aj said
<ajmitch> may need to attrib -r-a-s-h the files first
<ajmitch> depends
<ajmitch> i haven't done it for awhile :)
<revDeke> how can you copy the hidden files?
<revDeke> just one at a time?
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> try it that way
<revDeke> hmm wont let him copy
<revDeke> copy io.sys c:\
<revDeke> 0 files copied
<jcater> well, what are those 4 files
<revDeke> io.sys
<revDeke> msdos.sys
<revDeke> vidorom.bin
<revDeke> det.log.txt
<ajmitch> hmmmmmm
<jcater> probably msdos.sys that's the issue
<ajmitch> yeah
<jcater> as I think sys c: would not put the gui stuff in there
<ajmitch> that's right
<ajmitch> i forgot how braindead windows is
<jcater> well
<ajmitch> traumatic experiences tend to get locked away in the mind :)
<jcater> he needs to attrib -r-a-s-h system\msdos.sys
<jcater> and possibly c:\msdos.sys
<jcater> then copy system\msdos.sys to c:\
<jcater> but then don't redo the sys c: thing... try to reboot first
<ajmitch> then gut a chicken
<jcater> then pray
<ajmitch> then install GNU/Linux & forget about the whole thing
<revDeke> attrib -h msdos.sys gives "not resetting system file msdos.sys"
<jcater> attrib -s msdos.sys
<revDeke> yeah finally did attrib /?
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> for the record
<jcater> "man dir" 
<jcater> doesn't work
Action: jcater was just reminded of that by command.com :)
<revDeke> grrr
<revDeke> syas "not resetting hidden file
<jcater> lol
<jcater> attrib -h -s msdos.sys
<jcater> ?
<revDeke> yeah
Action: ajmitch has no working windows box around
<revDeke> attrib -r -a -s -h msdos.sys worked
<ajmitch> cool
<jcater> cool
<jcater> considering that's what I said do the first time
Action: jcater ducks
<chillywilly> on joy fixing winders
<chillywilly> s/on/oh/
Action: ajmitch said it first! :)
<chillywilly> what the heck does 'sys c:'?
<ajmitch> chillywilly: puts the io.sys file in the right place for the bootloader
<chillywilly> sorry but I guess I am not as so hip on winders anymore
<chillywilly> k
Action: chillywilly has a winders box upstairs
<chillywilly> but it's not mine
<chillywilly> won't catch me using it
<chillywilly> just abusing it ;)
<chillywilly> hell I can barely use GNU/Linux as I forget how to do things all the time
<ajmitch> :)
<ajmitch> the crack is eating at your memory
<chillywilly> yea...
<jcater> revDeke: status report?
<revDeke> just a second
<revDeke> files copied back to c:\
<revDeke> i didnt turn back to system files though
<revDeke> and had him reboot
<revDeke> no sys c:\
<chillywilly> why did he move them around?
<revDeke> trying to be neat and tidy i guess
<chillywilly> so he moved .sys files?
<jcater> I've had people do much worse
<chillywilly> heh
<jcater> we had an old dos program for our clients to use for data entry
<jcater> this lady upgraded to win95
<jcater> so I got her up to speed on that
<jcater> a few months later
<jcater> get a call from her in a panic
<jcater> she renamed and moved our dos program to c:\command.com
<jcater> so the computer would automatically start in our progran
<revDeke> woo network card not installed error dialog!!!!
<jcater> :)
<ajmitch> it's windows, it has no security against users
<revDeke> and hour glass
<revDeke> desktop painting
<revDeke> we might have something
<ajmitch> yay
<jcater> the chick talked to Gateway 2000 for a long time
<chillywilly> ah yea...the beaty of *NIX
<jcater> and they told her they couldn't help her
<jcater> that she'd have to call us
<jcater> as it was our program
<chillywilly> the users don't have perms to frell up the system ;)
<jcater> M$ told her the same thing
<ajmitch> that's sad
<chillywilly> retards
<chillywilly> so did you fix it for her?
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> 45 minutes or so on the phone
<jcater> and we got her back up
<ajmitch> heh
<jcater> AFTER I explained to her that it wasn't our program
<jcater> she was quite grateful
<ajmitch> good  :)
<jcater> users like that are really dangerous
<jcater> they know just enough to get themselves into trouble
<jcater> i.e., she realized command.com was the command shell
<chillywilly> oh but winders is so intuitive...
<jcater> and that our program was started within command.com
<jcater> it's the next logical step that screwed her over :)
<jcater> err, logical in her mind
<revDeke> he is back up but ethernet is down
<revDeke> i really need to get home
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<revDeke> where are network drivers on win98 disk
<revDeke> i thought win98\ but no dice
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> really depends on disk
<jcater> win9x maybe?
<jcater> or win95?
<jcater> oh, you mean the actual Win98 cd?
<revDeke> yeah
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> I've had them under \ and \win98
<jcater> depending on the particular cd
<jcater> is this a stock win98 install cd? or his vendor's restore cd?
<revDeke> dont know
<revDeke> know im tired and hhungry
<revDeke> and hating windows
<jcater> hmmm
<jcater> can he browse for the files?
Action: jcater is used to it being in one of those 2 places
<revDeke> trying to use driver disk from card now
<revDeke> win98\drivers\ exists
<revDeke> bbl
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<chillywilly> wb derek
<derek> hey on win98
<derek> networking
<derek> with dhcp
<derek> do you enable dns
<derek> and leave gateway blank?
<derek> and dhcp fills that in?
<derek> or do you have to enter that crap?
Action: derek does not understand how windows setup is easier than linux (networking)
<derek> i used to think it was (other than rebooting)
<derek> whoo hoo networking working for him
--- Tue Jan 28 2003