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<ajmitch> hello dave
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<frayed> sorry about that
<frayed> does gnue work with wxPython 2.4.0.1?  Sorry for the abruptness, I'm pulling my hair out over this one.
<ajmitch> it should
<ajmitch> as that's the version in sid
Action: ajmitch tests
<frayed> Ok, here's what I did.  :)  I've been following the SuSE document for installing gnue, except I'm on a Mandrake 9.0 box.  I've been making necessary distro-specific changes as I go.
<ajmitch> heh ok
<ajmitch> what problems you having/
<frayed> anyway, I installed the wxWindows that's bundled with the latest wxPython, downloaded about two hours ago.
<frayed> ANyway, when I ran setup.py for GNUe-Forms, it ran, but said "No wxPython support" or something like that.  I did the logical thing and ignored it.  :)
<ajmitch> hmm, odd
<ajmitch> but...
<frayed> Went to install GNUe-Designer, and it failed completely with "No wxPython Support"
<ajmitch> it depends where the wxpython files are installed
<frayed> sorry this is a bit long-winded....
<ajmitch> since on mine, they're installed in /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages
<frayed> next I installed both using the --skip-checks option, or whatever the option is.
<ajmitch> and so i must use python 2.2 :)
<frayed> yes, that's exactly where my wxPython packages got installed, I checked it.
<ajmitch> ok
<frayed> It installed using the --skip-checks option (of course), and here's the error message now:
<frayed> ImportError: libwx_gtk-2.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<ajmitch> mmm, that makes sense
<frayed> SO, I immediately ran ldconfig.  Didn't work.
<ajmitch> where is that file?
<frayed> That file doesn't exist.  Neither does a symlink.  *sigh*  The bundled wxWindows installed a libwx_gtk2-2.4.so symlink to the library with the same naming convention.
<frayed> er
<frayed> That file doesn't exist.  Neither does a symlink.  *sigh*  The bundled wxWindows installed a libwx_gtkd2-2.4.so symlink to the library with the same naming convention.
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<frayed> the "d" makes all the difference
<frayed> so I symlinked to it and got:
<frayed> ImportError: /usr/local/lib/libwx_gtk-2.4.so: version `WXGTK_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/wxc.so)
<frayed> It appears to me that my wxPython installation is somehow broken.  So I came here first to see if GNUe worked with the latest and greatest wxPython.
<ajmitch> ok, i'm guessing that your wxgtk package is rather broken?
<frayed> I compiled the bundled package.  (The newest rpm's are unicode-enabled and it causes problems on other stuff I do)
<frayed> with default options.  :)  ./configure, make, make install
<ajmitch> right
Action: ajmitch hands frayed a debian cd ;)
<frayed> gee thanks
<ajmitch> hehe
<frayed> :)
<frayed> it's tempting, actually.  I read the KDE 3.1 announcement and started cursing mandrake for making it so damn hard to change desktops from the rpms provided.  ;(
<frayed> but I don't know if Debian's better in that regard.
<ajmitch> so you made your own wxpython & wxgtk rpms & installed them?
<frayed> anyway, the question is: is it probable that my wxPython installation is broken or that GNUe is somehow broken?  (stable version....)
<frayed> no, didn't make any rpms.  I untarred the source and ./configure, make, and make installed them.
<ajmitch> try the wxpython demos
<ajmitch> and simple apps
Action: frayed smacks forehead
<frayed> duh.
<ajmitch> it's unlikely that GNUe is broken in this regard
<ajmitch> as it's working with 2.4 here
<frayed> ok, so I need to keep pursuing a wxPython installation, then.  I just ran the demo called "demo.py" and got the same error.
<ajmitch> yup
<frayed> thanks dude.  I was getting ready to flip a coin to decide which project was broke.  :)
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> i can try & help you with your wxpython woes
<frayed> well sure, I can use any help I can get at this point.  :)  I'm a startup business, and my partner says we might have to "compromise our ideals slightly and get a proprietary erp" and I say "NO!!!!!!!!!!"
<ajmitch> evil person
<ajmitch> did you educate him with a large bat?
<frayed> he and I don't see eye to eye in a very few places, but this happens to be one of them.
<frayed> nah, he's an old friend.  He runs Windows because he says "it's the best tool for the job, even if the company's evil".
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> even if becoming reliant on windows does tie you in... :)
<frayed> he agrees with the long-term goal of running free OSs internally, but the nature of the business we're in requires we acknowledge the user base of windows.  :(
<frayed> Ok, I've decided to check out wxWindows cvs sources, so that I can be certain that the wxPython version matches the wxGTK version.
<frayed> any idea how to snatch a specific release from cvs?  I've only ever retrieved the current sources.
<ajmitch> use the -r BRANCH_NAME
<ajmitch> or TAG_NAME
<ajmitch> when you find out the branch or tag name ;)
<ajmitch> iirc that's the right option
<frayed> I was about to ask if there's a way to get a listing of branches :)
<frayed> I can probably reasonably guess at 2.4.0, since that's the most recent stable release
<ajmitch> no, cos it might be named something weird
<ajmitch> one moment, i'll see..
<frayed> found it
<ajmitch> cool
<frayed> it's on the wxwindows cvs page :)
<ajmitch> not surprising
<frayed> actually, all the other projects' cvs pages that I've looked at don't list branch names.  :(  Of course, I've only really hit up sourceforge projects so far.  I'm still pretty new at the GNU/Linux thing.  %)
<ajmitch> :)
<frayed> oops.  I forgot the -z3 switch.
<ajmitch> doesn't matter much
<ajmitch> just slows it down without it
<frayed> I think I've just talked myself into switching to Debian for the 4th time or so and decided I dont have time to do it.  :(  heh.
<frayed> thing that bugs with Mandrake (and redhat for that matter) is that you're still locked in to the vendor, waiting for them to release packages for you.
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<ajmitch> debian has standardised policy enough so that you can install non-'vendor' packages easily
<ajmitch> with automated scripts that check for compliance, etc :)
<frayed> that's definitely the way it looks to me as an outsider to debian.
<frayed> I don't mind configuring packages to install (in some cases I prefer to do it the hard way), but I *do* mind that it breaks my software management setup and I have to do it a lot more than I want to.
<ajmitch> they have to do that to keep it sane :)
<frayed> I think I'm going to step through.  First I'll compile and install wxWindows and then test some of their sample apps, then do wxPython.  better to take my time and check my work, I think.
<ajmitch> ok
<chillywilly> hi frayed
<chillywilly> has ajmitch got you going in the right direction?
<ajmitch> nope
<ajmitch> i'm leading him down the path to perdition :P
Action: chillywilly slaps ajmitch around some
<frayed> actually, he's helped me figure out that my problem is in wxPython and not GNUe.
<chillywilly> right
<chillywilly> but he still deserves a beat down ;)
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<ajmitch> (dinner time sorry :) )
<frayed> um, maybe I shouldn't beat down the hand that feeds me?
<ajmitch> no, i'm running away to get fed
<frayed> heh, I'll probly still be here waiting for my cvs update to finish
<ajmitch> ok
<frayed> are there any specific options I need to make sure are configured in wxWindows?
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<chillywilly> yo reinhard
<reinhard> good morning
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<chillywilly> HIYAH!
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<frayed> ok, now I've got wxPython working for sure, and GNUe-designer is not working.  hm.
<ajmitch> what's it doing/
<ajmitch> ?
<frayed> it's opening the window, then crashing with errors.  There's about 20 or so errors.  Wnat me to copy-n-paste all of them over or just a few?
<ajmitch> join #flood
<ajmitch> it's the standard paste channel for large things :)
<ajmitch> ok, maybe not
<frayed> I did as the documentation told me to do, and ignored the warnings that GNUe put python modules outside the python search directory.
<ajmitch> yup
<ajmitch> hmm that is a real odd error - it would only happen if string wasn't imported
<ajmitch> are you running GNUe from cvs, or release?
<frayed> release, 0.4.2
<frayed> er, that's the GNUe-Designer version
<ajmitch> ok
Action: ajmitch hunts around for a copy of that version :)
<frayed> I don't know anything about Python, but it's looking like there was only one error.  Is that correct?  Just the one?
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> that's real odd, string should have been in that import line
<frayed> I just opened a python shell.  how do I import string?  :)
<ajmitch> frayed: in your designer copy, can you edit src/Instance.py...
Action: ajmitch awaits...
<frayed> ok, I've got it open
<ajmitch> ok, the first non-commented line, can you add  string to the list of imported modules?
<ajmitch> so that it reads:
<ajmitch> import sys, os, time, dircache, string
<frayed> done
<ajmitch> ok, run setup again
<frayed> done
<frayed> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/designer/ToolFrame.py", line 55, in __init__
<frayed> DB000:     self.runtime_section = "ToolFrame-%s" % string.replace(self.title,' ','')
<frayed> DB000: NameError: global name 'string' is not defined
<frayed> different file this time.
<ajmitch> hmm, that's oddness
<frayed> ok, I edited ToolFrame.py and did the same thing, imported string, and now I have a designer window open
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> what python version are you using?
<frayed> what can I do to try to break the designer window I've open?
<frayed> lemme check python version...
<ajmitch> break? :)
<frayed> 2.2.1
<ajmitch> do a new form from wizard
<ajmitch> see if it works
<frayed> in my experience, there's usually a way to break something to test if it actually works rather than looking like it works.  :)
<ajmitch> hehe yeah
<frayed> ok, I hit "New->from Wizard"
<frayed> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/FileUtils.py", line 41, in dyn_import
<frayed> DB000:     mod = __import__(name)
<frayed> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/designer/templates/reports/MailMerge.py", line 42, in ?
<frayed> DB000:     class SimpleReportTemplate(ReportTemplate):
<frayed> DB000: NameError: name 'ReportTemplate' is not defined
Action: ajmitch wishes jcater were here... :)
<ajmitch> you got reports installed?
<ra3vat> hello all
Action: ajmitch is guessing
<ajmitch> hey ra3vat
<frayed> no reports installed.
<frayed> hello ra3vat
<ajmitch> right, shouldn't need reports installed
<ra3vat> there were problems with wxpython 2.4
<ajmitch> as ReportTemplate is defined in reports/TemplateSupport.py
<ra3vat> hello ajmitch
<frayed> um, all that's installed is Common, Forms, and Designer, which should be the minimum to run Designer
<ajmitch> ra3vat: ok, i hadn't heard that
<ra3vat> hello frayed
<frayed> problems with wx 2.4?
<ra3vat> is it last version just released?
Action: ajmitch doesn't think wx problems are related to this..
<frayed> I've got designer 0.4.2 with wx2.4
<frayed> I can go grab gnue from cvs if you guys need me to, although I would prefer not to run bleeding-edge here.  :)  Since I'm just testing right now, though, it doesn't matter.
<frayed> (testing == fooling around)
<ajmitch> let me check
<ajmitch> aha!!
<ajmitch> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/lib/python/gnue/designer/Instance.py", line 334, in getNextGenericName
<ajmitch> DB000:     if self._lastGenericNameSeq.has_key(string.lower(type)):
<ajmitch> DB000: NameError: global name 'string' is not defined
<ajmitch> this is with previously working packages
<ajmitch> but upgraded wxpython :)
<frayed> out of curiosity, why use string and not wxString?
<btami> ajmitch: i'v corrected some string imports in gnue CVS to be "compatible" with wxpython 2.4
<ajmitch> btami: yeah, i've seen that cvs works with 2.4, thanks for doing that :)
<ajmitch> frayed: umm, because string is the standard python string manipulation module :)
<btami> befor 2.4 there was an "import string" in some wx module, but in 2.4 it was removed
<ajmitch> ok
<btami> so released GNUe versions are '"incompatible" with 2.4
<ajmitch> what a pain
<ajmitch> perhaps that should be a note on the web page
<btami> yeah
Action: ajmitch prepares to file a bug reports against the debian packages :)
<frayed> so do I have to go all the way up to cvs or can I go after the 0.5.0 preview version?  does it matter?
<btami> the 0.5.0 preview is also "incompatible"
<ajmitch> i see on debian i can install wxpython 2.2 or 2.3
<frayed> ok.  Well, it's getting late out here, so I'll play with it some more tomorrow, and I'll start fresh with cvs.
<ajmitch> ok
<frayed> thanks for the help!
<ajmitch> no problems
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<btami> maybe some new pre-releases needed...
<ajmitch> yeah
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<Chipaca> hi all
<Chipaca> how do I order a datasource by two things?
<Chipaca> i.e. how do I do the order by foo, order by bar ?
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<jamest> Chipaca: the attribute order_by="foo,bar" IIRC
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<Chipaca> jcater: thanks! I missed that 'till I was leaving :(
<Chipaca> :)
<Chipaca> thank you 
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<ra3vat> anyone using curses ui?
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<ra3vat> i'm getting error with curses ui, form crashes with any key hit after login
<ra3vat> DB000:   File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue_head/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/cursing/TextBox.py", line
<ra3vat> 101, in Run
<ra3vat> DB000:     ch = self.PARENT.KeystrokeHook(ch)
<ra3vat> DB000:   File "/usr/local/src/cvs/gnue_head/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/curses/UIdriver.py", line 792, in _processEvent
<ra3vat> DB000:     action.__dict__.update({'_form':self._form})
<ra3vat> DB000: AttributeError: keyboardEvtHandler instance has no attribute '_form'
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<chillywilly> wb ra3vat
<ra3vat> thanks chillywilly
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<chillywilly> ouch
<chillywilly> I repsonded damnit ;)
<dsmith> chillywilly: But it deosn't come up in the same window, so I didn't know.
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<chillywilly> yea, but psi is cool and makes my system tray applet blink
<chillywilly> and the little window in the taskbar puts a * next to it when you sent me something
<chillywilly> after its opened
<chillywilly> much nicer than gabber's annoying sounds ;)
<dsmith> chillywilly: What's psi?
<chillywilly> a kde jabber client
<chillywilly> the best one I've found
<chillywilly> next to gabber....but even gabber crashes on me sometimes
<chillywilly> erm , well gabber is gtk/gnome
<chillywilly> I run my own jabberd usually with appropriate transports
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<fabravo> anyone here?
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<frayed> hello?
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<frayed> hello?
<ajmitch> hi
<frayed> ok, here's where I stand.  I got the latest and greatest cvs about 3 hours ago.  ready for the error message?
<ajmitch> sure
<frayed> better yet, does the cvs run right now?
<frayed> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/FileUtils.py", line 47, in dyn_import
<frayed> DB000:     raise ImportError, mesg
<frayed> DB000: ImportError: 'module' object has no attribute 'GFLogic'
<ajmitch> afaik it did yesterday :)
<ajmitch> hmm, you ran setup.py, not setup-cvs.py, right?
<frayed> right
Action: ajmitch doesn;t think it makes much difference, but run setup-cvs.py, and once that's run, start designer by 'gfdes'
<frayed> I don't see a setup-cvs.py in the same directory
<ajmitch> in the root gnue dir
<frayed> aha, found it
<frayed> rm: cannot remove `lt_LT': Is a directory
<frayed> ln: `/usr/local/gnue/translations//de': cannot overwrite directory
<frayed> got a few of these with setup-cvs.py
<ajmitch> hmm odd :)
<frayed> progress.  deleted a few things and reran setup-cvs.py.  I've got an open designer now
<ajmitch> useful
<frayed> I'm going to have to make some connections now.  I don't have any database setup, other than the default mandrake postgres install.
<jcater> yeah... it's possible our setup.py's are broken
<frayed> Has anybody managed to use unixODBC to connect to a MS SQL Server yet?
<jcater> we usually give them a thorough once-over before a release
<ajmitch> hey jcater
<frayed> personally, I'd prefer a master setup.py anyway.  When I'm new to something, I prefer to install the whole thing with all the bells and whistles, just so I don't get in trouble later because I'm missing a module
<ajmitch> jcater: when are you hoping to have 0.5.0 cooked up & ready?
<jcater> well
<jcater> jamest is hoping to code a lot in the next week or two
<ajmitch> ok
<jcater> I'm buried under a project at work
<jcater> until probably first of march
<ajmitch> so it could be awhile
<ajmitch> thinking of doing another prerelease?
<jcater> so my contributions will be sporadic at best until them :(
<jcater> yeah, I imagine we will
<jcater> frayed: we really don;t have a good odbc driver for linux
<jcater> we have one for win32
<ajmitch> ok, just wanting something that jbailey can use for debian packages :)
<jcater> that's because the only free/open source python library we can find
<jcater> was written specifically for windows 
<jcater> :(
<frayed> I would just prefer to connect to my SQL server that's out on the internet, and I'm using GNU/Linux
<frayed> I'll see about getting my local postgres copy up to speed so I can use it, though.  I can open a port if I need to for it
<ajmitch> jcater: btw, i saw in the mysql docs that you can call the insert_id() function on a mysql cursor object & get the last auto_increment thing done
Action: frayed doesn't know python, otherwise might be inclined to do it if time permitted.
<ajmitch> you have an MS SQL server on the internet? :)
<frayed> it doesn't seem to have been affected ;)
<frayed> it's just a database hosted on a web host's server, is all.
<frayed> if they'd've given me a postgres or a mysql option, I would've taken it.
<frayed> anyway, thanks for the help, now I'm off to screw with it and see if I turn anything up.
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<dtm> frayed should be 'fraid
<dtm> SHUTDOWN IMMINENT
Action: jcater sighs
<jcater> we need a par-tay up in here
<jcater> it's too quiet
<jbailey> par-tay?
Action: jbailey puts on some music./
<jcater> jbailey: it was a play on enunciation, to show how cool and undorky I am
<jcater> did it work?
<jcater> :)
<jbailey> Dunno.  can't hear you over the music.
<ajmitch> hello people
<ajmitch> ah, mr jbailey :)
<jbailey> Heya Andrew.
<jbailey> Does that mean I'm not people?
<ajmitch> no
<ajmitch> you're a special case :)
<jcater> jbailey: what ya listening to?
<jcater> ajmitch: that means I'm nothing special, eh?
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> you've been talking to my wife, right?
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> no, you don't have a vegan cat ;)
<jcater> s/vegan/
Action: jcater has taken to cooking vegan dishes lately
<jcater> mainly 'cause I'm broke
<jcater> and they tend to be cheaper :)
<ajmitch> ah
<ajmitch> yep\
<jbailey> jcater: Madonna, music.
<jbailey> Ayup.  I know lots of vegetarians.  Most of them are students.
<ajmitch> that's none too surprising really
<ajmitch> the main vegetable being whatever's used to make beer :)
<jbailey> A few of them were into home brew'd mead.
<jbailey> Most of it was awful, though. =)
Action: ajmitch has had some of that
<ajmitch> it was interesting
<ajmitch> btw i submitted that bug mainly to let people know about the problem :)
<ajmitch> would need to use a prerelease or cvs code to avoid that problem, apparantly
<ajmitch> (current prerelease won't go with 2x 2.4 tho)
<ajmitch> s/2x/wx/
<jbailey> Ah, okay.  Did you like my answer?
<jbailey> "You're the bloody upstream, what do you want me to do about it?" =)
<jbailey> OR something like that.
<jbailey> I think that's what my first version said, and then I realised it was going to be archived. =)
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> i'd tell you to bug jcater :)
<jbailey> Bah!
<jbailey> I'll just tag it upstream so it doesn't mark my karma =)
<ajmitch> i thought i did that
<ajmitch> :)
<jbailey> Ah, did you?
<jbailey> My bugs folder is the other one I mark as read, generally without reading.
<ajmitch> lol
<jbailey> When I sit down to hack on Debian stuff, I just pull up the bts web pages.
<jbailey> Too many damned bugs being filed against glibc to keep up with.
<ajmitch> yeah, i did tag it as upstream when i submitted, since i knew what it was
<ajmitch> hoping to see a new pre-release sometime that can be packaged to close that bug :)
<ajmitch> jcater said he's going to be flat-out at work tho
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<jbailey> Heya pingu-dan!
<chillywilly> pengnuin
<chillywilly> get it right
<chillywilly> ;)
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Action: derek parties some
<derek> whooo hooo
<derek> party
<derek> la la la
<derek> party
<derek> ok bed time
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<chillywilly> what a goof
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