jcater: it's definitely worth looking at. Are there design documents attached to it? The idea is that if it provides a good enough framework for us to start with, we'll be more than happy to work on it too. Action: dsmith isn't up on ldap, but wan't to be frayed: the schema files exist :) does that count? actually, derek has done most of the stuff in there he is swamped at work being the beginning of the year it's not too huge so he's hard to catch even I can grokk the schema ;) small business doesn't need much. :) but you won't hurt our feelings if it isn't far enough along :) I'll beat on it tonight for awhile then and see what I come up with. I was going to work on a personal finance app with GNUe. ooooooo I've wanted to do that jcater: all that matters is that the schema is "good enough" for us. :) Im working on a rental property management app myself well jcater: I would *so* like to get rid of Quicken right now. I watched my wife rdp into the windows box to use IE to play games. haven't touched it since november but I *am* working on it, darn it! Action: jcater keeps telling myself that suuure ;) crap, what am I supposed to use from cvs to run a .gpd file? gnue-navigator Action: frayed hasn't bothered creating a database yet, so is expecting to fail. :) though you can run the forms files directly command not found err gncvs? ooooo are you running against cvs head? DB000: gnue.common.GParser.MarkupError: Error processing tag [I do not recognize the "description" attribute yes? :) gnue-sb hasn't been upgraded to the new API why... I'm not sure but it is still running against the releases ah yes, must produce patches for 0.4.x & wxpython 2.4 aha. Maybe I should back off versions a bit anyway. Designer is very unstable under the new API, but I don't know if it's just generally unstable or not. jcater: when do you think wx 2.4 might be required for designer? 0.6.x ? ajmitch: read the channel topic hmm, right ajmitch: probably I suppose I should update or back off. heh. good to see someone's been working (unlike me) :) frayed: yeah, cvs is really being pounded on so for a little while, it may not be ideal for general usage :) how are the other modules for wx 2.4 compatibility right now? the 'compatibility' is a one liner or so ;P afaik, all the other tools were fine ok. is there an easy way uninstall the cvs copy I installed, in order to downgrade to the latest stable releases? jcater: frayed even volunteered to help with docs! :) has there been any commits to cvs cause I don't think I have gotten a commit email in a while and I am wondering what's up with my setup chillywilly: yes, at least 2 today hmmm frayed: no need to uninstall http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gnue-dev/2002-11/msg00033.html btw, gnu.org NEEDS to set up apache mod_rewrites to automatically forward old-style mailing list URLs to the new style this is getting ridiculous frayed: add to that list cd common cvs update -r common-0-4-1-branch Action: jcater forgot that in this particular email I've got you. Are those the only 3 components I need to worry about? I'm still a little fuzzy on the architecture... yeah hmmm, I think I forgot to run fetchmail after my server reboot er, the last one woah getting butt loads of email lemme guess, you're running an NT server? Action: ajmitch claps Action: frayed dodges lol frayed: uh, no frayed: so where are you based? Debian GNU/Linux testing seattle (in the backyard of the beast) ah lucky fella frayed: I was rebooting it to make sure some things were setup correctly cause, unlike NT, the only reason my server went down was a hardware failure heh, there's not as much Microsoft sentiments around here as I thought there'd be. But people are genuinely afraid not to run MS software. chillywilly: aha, I get you. For a new guy like me, though, the two sentences sounded, well... I had to make sure GRUB was installed correctly ;) and that the network interfaces would come up on boot up well I suppose I didn't HAVE to but I did anyway you know, I've never gotten GRUB to work, for some reason. nor have I hey dude, the reason GNU/LInux servers last so damn long is because we double-check our work. :) I always decide, "eh, lilo works..." I install it form a boot disk usually from grub boot floppy that reminds me, i have to disable the default route on eth0 coming up at bootup :) I've been pretty happy with lilo, but I'm interested in that HURD kernel, and I understand lilo won't boot it. it is quirky though had a power cut today :( Action: ajmitch boots his gnu/hurd box beside him... The experience of Napster shows that we should also permit noncommercial verbatim redistribution to the general public -- when so many of the public want to copy and share, and find it so useful, only draconian measures will stop them, and the public deserves to get what it wants. -- RMS, "Misinterpreting Copyright" ;P I need more donuts -- jcater :-D Don't make me troutslap you -- chillywilly Mmmmm. Pizza. -- derek --- Derek ;P heh, I just wrote a music license the other day. lemme see..... ok, time for me to reply to bug report, tell jbailey to upgrade to 0.4.3 :) Goats! -- jamest Mmmmm. Vegan Chili hehe In short, you can't change the recording we made, but you can make a derivative work with it. You may distribute either the recording we made or your derivative work royalty-free. The catch is, you have to credit both the band that made the recording and the original band. The only recordings my band has right now are covers. DB000: gnue.common.GParser.MarkupError: Error processing tag [I do not recognize the "description" attribute lovely running what? same error. gnue-sb I'd recommand not using the gpd and using the gfd's by themselves :) frayed: no, what were you using to load it? I better go to bed heh, night jcater I just did the instructions in the post that jcater had me read gnue-navigator ok night jcater heh, funny story.... last night at about 11:00 my time I feel like it should be 4:00 am or so so I go to bed only to realize that it is 4:00 am or so my son, before I got home had changed my KClock to use Moscow time hehe and that's the only clock in my office :) so I am really tired tonight :) looks like you need an atomic clock frayed: it updates the time nightly against the naval time service so I usually trust it he just changed my displayed timezone :) jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "sleep" every reason to. :) The advantage to these atomic clocks they sell is that you can hang them on the wall out of kids' reach too slow, I was that is funny what's a .gsd file, and what do I do with it? it's xml markup schema file ideally you should translate it to sql with the gnue tools for whatever database you're gonna use however, I am not sure that is working right now I discovered that much. There's an Oracle and Postgres .sql file for creating the database, but no MySQL file probably cause mysql isn't too popular around these parts ;) in gnue/common/utils there some scripts we're talking about databases not toys be nice ajmitch ;) yeah, well, my real database doesn't work. ;) trouble getting Postgres to start, which was my first choice. Since MySQL started, I'm using it right now. when/if we do this, we'll likely setup a dedicated database server with Postgres, because my partner doesn't like MySQL either frayed: * ~/bin/gcvs ~/cvs/gnue/common/src/schema/scripter/Scripter.py schema.gsd postgresql > PgSQL/schema.sql is how to make sql presumable I change "postgresql" to "mysql"? steptoe (~notreally@ip68-99-239-155.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. steptoe (~notreally@ip68-99-239-155.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit frayed: nooooooooo ;) I think I'm on to what's wrong with my postgres installation. Might have it running pretty soon... SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-198.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. I just discovered that if I ssh into another machine and run an X app, the GUI appears on the machine I'm sitting at. Forgive me for sounding green, but I didn't know about that... yeah, that's a small useful feature :) if you have a fast connection, only LAN :) more so if it's on the local network otherwise its (X) verrrry slow vnc is usable over 128kbps line :) even usable on 56k :) ok, I've got postgres running now. I believe it will continue to run even if I reboot, but I'm not going to reboot to test it. :P are you making fun of me? cause if you are you will be beaten senseless by fishies no. Well, yes. But also because my server doesn't boot reliably the first time. I think there's some bad memory in it, and I haven't fixed it. every couple of weeks it kernel panics for no reason.... I'm starting to feel like an NT administrator again. :( you need to get some freakin' ram are you waiting for an invitation?!? ;) I did, and that's the problem. I think the motherboard itself is broke and will only let me use one stick, and one specific stick in one specific slot But if I do that, then I can only have 32MB. blah rofl this weightloss infomercial came on and this lady is supposed to be a weightloss expert and she's like a big fat thing wtf expected. After having kids I noticed that everyone around me that didn't have kids were experts on how to take care of them. true dat when my wife and I were split up, all the single men around me were experts on how to handle a marriage and get laid. oh yeah, and for some reason, BSA accountants and managers are experts on how to build and administer servers. Riddle me that one. er, BSA = BA hehe Action: chillywilly was thinking "bullshit artists" dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection heh, that's what my sister calls 'em. She's a chemist, but the accountants and managers at her company seem to know everything about the scientific method. man I am kinda tired HEH check your locale setting, dude... most managers and suits are incompetent I know what time it is 1am is not. It's 11pm. no it's 1am CST damnit ;) is 8pm if I edit my postgres pg_hba file, do I have to restart the server? (I know that sounds dumb, but you don't have to restart samba...) yes you do can't recall, i usually did :) so samba unnecessarily reads the config file everytime it does something? aha, do a kill-HUP to it, or run pg_ctl reload bye or /etc/ini.d/postgresql restart inti.d SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-198.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). no, it just reads it every minute, I believe. Remember, they're trying to make it act like an NT server. blah init.d!!! whew that's is so lame NT admins are that lazy? no, NT admins reboot everytime they open the command line. The idea is that it does unnecessary work. ;) yaaay I wanna read the config file every second hell I wanna rrad it so often that I never actually finish reading it it needs to be in a perpetual state of startup that would r0x0r I had an app that did that. Ran it on an old UNICOS system, when the system was brand new. couldn't figure out how to kill it, so I logged out. Next day I had an email from the administrator saying "do it again and your account will be terminated" I decided not to write back and say "That was a feature, not a bug" hmmm, how about "STFU" hmm, almost time for bed too bad no one will play tetrinet with me :( bastids reinhard (~reinhard@M689P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@wlg1-port19.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning good evening ugh how goes frayed? aking progress, if I can just figure out how to get postgres to let me connect to it you setup your pg_hba.conf yet? that's what I'm working on right now. host all 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 password password authentication for all private IPs? hmmm yeah, wireless NAT router ah right I am just thinking whether you need to specify the bits then you need a password file Action: ajmitch_ used to have similar, with this: erm, or add the person to pg_password host all 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 password passwords the admin guide is helpful chillywilly: that can be the password file, yes well I use the db...dunno if that's sick and twisted or what frayed: look at jcater's msg in gnue list 2003.01.13 sigh, helping someone setup their deadrat install Connecting to PostgreSQL without TCP/IP yea, that only helps if it's the sam machine right? Action: chillywilly tries to remember what jcater wrote um, I want to connect with TCP/IP, because I will have at least one client on d'WAN ok, sorry Action: chillywilly installs postgres real quick ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port35.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: ajmitch_!~ajmitch@wlg1-port19.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz)) Nick change: ajmitch_ -> ajmitch Action: chillywilly wonders why postgres packages depend on python chillywilly: you can use python as a language with it funky I didn't know it had 'native' python support read the docs some day :) i found out a couple of weeks ago shut the hell up ajmitch fine I read the whole frellin admin guide last week or so I changed it to "trust" just to see if it would work, and it still didn't connect. Hmm........ so lick me is it running with -i? to enable tcp/ip umm........ there's an option somewhere in one of the configs lemme see if I can find it real quick tcpip_socket = 1 no? in postgresql,conf .conf hm, added it to the command line, still no turn it on in the config file still no, but the config file had every line commented. So much for default installation, eh? yea debian default turns tcp/ip on do you have a /var/log/postgresql.log file? there's a postgresql directory there, but I have to su to get to it. Just did that and waiting for authentication (doesn't normally take this long...) I lied, it's a text file, it's just empty no log there hmmm Action: ajmitch sobs can you connect locally? what's wrong ajmitch? can connect locally chillywilly: trying to help grandmother save scanned photos in jpeg format, she's using win95 & some obscure software :) can you telnet to port 5432? on the db server ajmitch: ok ;) ajmitch: sounds like fun ;P crap, I forget how to specify a port with telnet. what does netstat -l on the db server say? telnet host 5432 [dave@random dave]$ telnet benedict 5432 Trying 192.168.0.2... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused frayed: does postmaster run with -i option? I asked him that ;) reinhard: unable to determine for sure? :) yes. I'm certain. oh sorry netstat -l will tell you what is listening on what ports unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 37712 /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432 unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 730 /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket.tmp erm that's not what I wanted to paste tcp 0 0 *:postgres *:* LISTEN my postmaster doesn't even show any options for some reason no postgres listed root@gandalf:~# ps ax | grep postmaster | grep -v grep 13332 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/postmaster hmmm 23779 ? S 0:00 postmaster -D /var/postgres so first thing you need to get it to listen for tcp/ip hmmm no -i yep, looks like it if a firewall were blocking it (I don't think there is) would it still show listening in netstat? sure but no one would be able to connect what distro is this? psql: FATAL 1: Database "dave" does not exist in the system catalog. it tries to connect to a db named as the user by default tell it to connect to template1 mandrake 9.0, with an already known broken installation of postgres. I went digging in the postgres docs to figure out how to make the database files psql -h host template1 psql: FATAL 1: user "dave" does not exist you have to give it a valid user pg_ctl restart -D /var/postgres -o '-i' also ;) and unless you added one that was the command line that finally got it to do this. :) postgres is th eonly user I thought I'd added one. I just want the administrative console, that's all. heh. login as pstgres psql -U postgres -h host template1 IIRC something like that, I got it yaaaay *phew* now I should create a user and grant him rights to some database, right? :) sure got that done. phew, this thing's picky isn't it? won't take a password wrapped in double quotes, has to be single quotes yea this is cool. thanks a lot dude, it's running. now I don't have to worry about making the schema for gnue-sb in mysql. :) :) now the rest of the fellas won't give you a hard time ;) do these schema files typically make the database too, or do I create the database first and then run it? ummmm Action: frayed is relieved not to get a hard time over a stinkin' testbed database server. pretty sure you need to have a db then you can do a psql < file.sql or whatnot the schema is just tables and such...erm AFAIK maybe there's syntax for creating a db, but I dunno not that I recall Action: chillywilly gets off his lazy a$$ and looks silly open office files I think not, since postgres won't let you login without specifying a db there's an OOo document that explains the format right but you can alway connect to temaplate one and still issues create database foo; but I don't think the schema stuff covers creating a db well, I did it. I wonder exactly what it did now..... :) you loaded an sql file? btw, GNUe Integrator should handle doing this kinda stuff eventually but that's not being developed currently I loaded the schema.sql file for gnue-sb also converting between formats and priming the pump with data ok try the forms? are there forms? all the tables are there. :) This is beautiful. it's been a while since I looked at it there are forms, but first I have to create the connection. ;) right in connections.conf I'm starting to understand why it was always so hard to get nt admins to evaluate the software I used to sell them. heh. also designer will do db intrspection and lket you build forms on an exisitng database erm, if you cna parse that ;) i grokked it. :) existing db and their tables why was it hard to get nt admins to evaluate software? btw, you could alos write a script that connects, creates a db, and then load the sql file we have examples like that in cvs all over the place it was hard because they had to setup a database first, and frequently had to install the server software. It was the nature of the stuff I was selling. HEH Lord forbid they should have to do that! ;) where's the setup.exe?!?