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Hello reinhard (~reinhard@M693P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard wb reinhard thanks chillywilly: "real men don't sleep", eh? right ;) add that to your list of /quit messages bucko ;) Action: drochaid is away: I'm busy ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-240.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. where can I download the full gnue ERP system with all modules? :) http://www.gnue.org i know Action: ajmitch pulls out his trusty portable time machine SachaS: keep looking for ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-246-240.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) ariel (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-122.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Keith_jgrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. is GNUe Reports better than Reportlab? Probably not. What's a reportlab? =) GNUe Reports is better than everything yeah! :D http://www.reportlab.com/toolkit/index.html A library for PDF reports reportlab is a PDF library mostly not really a reporting application it is the pdf library for their non-free reporting tool gnue reports will most likely use that pdf library, as a matter of fact seems very mature at least, initially jcater: For generating PDFs? yeah that's what it is a PDF abstraction library the actual "ReportLab" reporting product is non-free hmm yeah but the GPL'd pdf toolkit is very nice at least, iirc it's gpl which one? the reportlab pdf toolkit is free the reportlab reporting tool is not but the pdf toolkit is very good, from what I gather Failing that, use whatever gnome uses. yeah i see libgnomeprint generates PDFs. libgnomeprint requires gnome libs my first goal will to output very robust postscript from there many things could be generated via 3rd party stuff jamest: I thought they were trying to limit how much gnome libs each component needs. they may now it's been a few years And libgnomeprint is likely to get win32'd soon, IIRC. hmmm so you'd choose it over reportlab's ? i'd choose whichever gave me the greatest portability and works well within python course (of course :) any plans to output reports in MS Word or Ms Excel? or RTF well, the way reports is structured, there's no reason we can't have a "gnomeprint" printer driver Keith_jgrs: absolutely well, likely RTF insteado f DOC, but definitely s/insteado f/instead of/ yeah, something editable KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) joined #gnuenterprise. Keith_jgrs (jorgre@63.74.24.9) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) fabravo (~Snak@user-112uhdq.biz.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. I am looking for someone who may be able to give me some help with DCL... fabravo (~Snak@user-112uhdq.biz.mindspring.com) left irc: "Bye." talking about DCL, does it necesarily use a web interface? i'm not qualified to answer but I think derek made gnue forms for it ok and it needs php, right ? the current form of it does yes i think tam (blah@user-321.bbd07tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. yes, still does. As of 0.9.2. derek: Did you test it yet? (he claims to read the logs) KeithJagrs (trilluser@63.74.24.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Bor0 (~sitnik@212.110.70.249) joined #gnuenterprise. greetings Nick change: Bor0 -> BoR0 any one alive? that's a silly question i was searching something and suddenly it got me to your webiste, readed the logs... and now visiting ya ;P whats this channel/web all about? GNUe =) well, and goats... and donuts.. woot? programming, cracking .. what business systems and what u do when ur busy aw business huh well c ya then im at undernet :] BoR0 (~sitnik@212.110.70.249) left irc: Client Quit heh figured that white collar term would run 'im off. hmmm we've been getting quite a few interesting characters in here lately something changed w/freenode? #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. There's not enough Derek and Dan here to scare these folks away? =) Those two have been really quiet lately. :) wow, you're right it has been kind of peaceful Action: jcater ducks Action: drochaid perks up ... derek and dan you say? what have I been missing while not idling here? :( lex (~lex@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. lAW mdean: uin? LAW! hi fellas howdy how goes the hunt ? the hunt goes on chillywilly: are you keen on dcl? nope, never have installed it only used it a couple times anyone ever check out http://www.gnuherds.org ? derek and mdean are the people to ask but they are quiet I think mdean is comatose ;) Action: chillywilly yawns Action: chillywilly cowers in fear at jamest the big bad op i feel I have to you have to be op? we've had vistors worse than chillywilly in here lately yea right ;) that's an impossibility my friend sigh, you're right we've had vistors almost as bad as chillywilly in here lately and 1 chillywilly is enough Action: chillywilly reads the scrollback morning 13:00 < jbailey> There's not enough Derek and Dan here to scare these folks away? =) 13:00 < jbailey> Those two have been really quiet lately. rofl hi ajmitch Action: ajmitch installs debs btw, I've been around kinda...just trying to not talk on irc so much as it helps me get more done :P ok Action: chillywilly gets to buy a new HD for gandalf today Action: chillywilly does a happy dance lucky fella i'm still stuck with the cycle of delete & install I am gonna get one of those hundred giggers yea, ajmitch but I can't put it in my laptop so only way I can use it is NFS mount ;P but at least there'll be more room for pr0n I just have to figure out how I want to to divy it up divy it up? partition it you know Hmm. farmPron cheerleaderPron gnuePron you know, divy it up I am going to install Debian on there as the current drive right now is shitty and it is onyl a matter of time before it fails My 60gb is 2gb for nt2k, 1gb swap, 1gb * 10 for Hurd, everything else in one big ext2 for GNU/Linux making partitions helps in backing things up imho /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) /dev/hda6 on /home type xfs (rw) /dev/hda3 on /usr/local type xfs (rw) /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) gandalf:/mnt/files on /mnt/files type nfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,addr=192.168.1.1,user=danielb) ;P Err. 2gb * 5 for Hurd. 5 hurd installs? jbailey: any particular reason for not upping the ext2 to ext3? Action: chillywilly prefers xfs file system Vee2d2: It's a mistype, sorry. sure, but the migration to ext3 is much easier, chillywilly chillywilly: didn't you get major toastage with xfs one time? :) Thiknig of the Hurd partitions which are all ext2. no Action: Vee2d2 is unsuccessfully attempting to recover a reiserfs ugh chillywilly: your laptop? toastage? no you had to reinstall it all at one point with major fs corruption after leavingit on all night, iirc I've only had reinstall once and that was because I got things to lock up on me somehow ajmitch: hows your DCL this morning? ajmitch: re- nautilus is still borken in sid haven't used it for months :) oh lex: how's it b0rked? like what does it do or not do? I am curious cause for me I don't get any real icons exactly nautilus is fine for me. jbailey: what version? to get the icons, you have to install a the icons theme. ii nautilus 2.2.0.2-1 File manager and graphical shell (GNOME2) hey people, what sort of capabilities does GNUe reports have? can it do graphs & the like? not yet ok, are there plans/ideas for doing so? yes excellent Action: ajmitch had someone asking about it, and it's something i'd like too :) Ive an icons theme....the snow apple theme.....and it still doesnt run....can you do me a favor and check what the /gnome/interfaces/icon_theme field in your gconf-editor says? my brain dump is in gnue/reports/doc/report-notes.txt k I have icon themes but note that's my notepad still no real icons so may or may not make complete sense :) chillywilly: Which package? and what version? but I haven't ran Gnome is a while so I don't care Ah, I like gnome. in fact I am thinking of ripping it out to save some space I like gnome..... jbailey ive the ICON-SnowApple theme jbailey: the gnome from debian sid jcater: it makes a little bit of sense :) Action: jamest blinks Dunno. When I loaded gnome-icon-theme it all started working fine. chillywilly? without gnome? Cant get gnome-theme-manager to work either jamest: want some pills for that heart condition? :) apt-hey install gnome-icon-theme? AHA well I'd like to have both installed...just because I like to change based on my mood :P I wish apt was smarter than that....its a brand new package but nautilus is b0rked so I don't want to look at it IT WORKS NOW :P what package did you install? And nau is getting amazingly great at samba too Action: lex licks jbailey's cheek....TX DUDE! lol gnome-icon-theme was probably a suggested/recommended package It is. Action: chillywilly installs it lex: Which cheek did you lick? uh... jbailey: Just touch all four of them tht's sick man Youll find out lol it's lex.. lexx is infinitely cooler then lex :P brb chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Gnome" Did chillywily just admit that he's a gnome? I've had my suspicions. COOL ULTRA GNOME2 MEDIA KEYS ARE NOW WORKIN! Action: lex spanks KDE dpkg --purge chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. aaah, Gnome I did miss her a little bit it just seems nautils is misson some config stuff missing like how the hell do I turn make my home dir as my desktop off...I can't find anything to change it back Hmm Looks like that's one of the preferences they took away. Probably have to touch it in gconf. why Or just rm the .nautilus files why did they do that? Because having preferences like that is a bad UI. that's fsking annoying Your grandmother shouldn't ever see that option. gah You, me, and other geeks can fire up gconf and tweak to our hearts content. see that's fsjcing rediculous So they accomidate both. It's not at all. piss on that I want to be able to cusomtize like a mofo I find that where I install gnome, people take to it *faster* than they take to win32. then do it. Use gconf. It's designed for you. using gconf is not frelling an easy thing Have you actually tried recently? the gui editor or the command line thing? It's nice. No more hunting through which application to change a setting in. It's all there. they target gconf at unstable people w/ trout fetishes? Action: jamest is glad he's using kde gui whatever man kde has nothing up on Gnome...except maybe it is a little less resource intensive although if I can find the option to change the way nautilus draws the desktop (to the less resource intensive way) then that will solve my big gripe with it I haven't tried kde it a year, but I found it more resource intesive than gnome. kde makes it easy to find shit though well jbailey that is false Action: ajmitch yawns On my P3 750mhz it was slow. I hate the way meta city delays in minimizing windows chillywilly: Take a logic class. Anecdotal evidence can never be false. 3.x? wtf? It's an impression. A person's perception of the world is always correct from their point of view. I think it's probably faster cause of gcc 3.2.x true dat consider another example of anecdotal evidence.... I had 30 ppl on a dual 450Mhz running KDE 3.0 with nar a complaint but we both are right :) well my impression has been the ther way around witha machine that has less then what you used less resources jcater: Wow. 30 people on a dual 450 is impressive on its own. =) anyway, this is pointless I just want to be able to tweak Gnome again Action: chillywilly tries gconf-editor well, it was working quite well until they all needed openoffice *lol* ugh yesterday they got a dual Athlon 2000 I hate openoffice dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. I think it is prettyy sad when I can drag my terminal around in circles to force a redraw and there are noticable delays and things get all sluggish I haven't used openoffice since it was staroffice. I tried to compile it once, and decided that I didn't want to hack on an office suite to make it work. The only thing I'm missing from abiword these days is an equation editor. We use openoffice all the time. jbailey: you use gconf-editor 0.4.0? The last gig I was on, we had to create tons of docs and excel files. No one had any problems with them. chillywilly: I almost never run gconf-editor. No need for it. dsmith: nice. what do you use then? grrr dsmith: I've heard good things about it. chillywilly: Nothing. I generally don't need to use the hidden preferences. It's just the openoffice.org package in Debian sid. Slow as a pig well I changed this pref once and then I upgrade and how the damn dialog is gone chillywilly: Although, poking around I did find the antialiasing option I want. =) that pisses me off hehe I could care less if granny if overloaded I want my frelling options back want some cheese with that whine? :) mmmmm cheese want a trout to the head? fish and cheese don't go too well together but fish and chips do I think I just wet myself ummm, too much information Action: jbailey is away: dentist appt. /dev/loop0 on /mnt type reiserfs (rw) ^ my dead drive weee or an image thereof hmm chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "restart X" revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yo jbailey: i do read logs (sorry for not popping in yesterday) getting pimpslapped at work hard past week and shows no signs of letting up i have not tested, but have barely had time to read email much less do something usefull :( i have a board meeting for local non profit tonight and when i get home i will try to take a look see Suit (~alala@zeilers.demon.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. mr Jagrs: i use .rtf file creation daily in production with GNUe Reports (a version from 05/2002 even) jcater / jamest i agree 100% at this time libgnomeprint is not path of least resistance .ps file is probably best bet and looking at reportlab might be a good thing a bit later project coming up has me needing to abuse reports so jcater better start shuddering now :) hi Suit evenin btw: nautilus is evil yeah, i need to have a simple way of getting repots up everytime i upgrade all of sid is breaks in a horrid way when i log into gnome again it starts like a million instances of nautilus no matter what i do revDeke: what's they joke? i have to pump out to the vt "Hey, Doctor, everytime I do xxxxx, it hurts" and killall nautilus "Doctor: Well, don't do xxx then!" then uninstall nautilus jcater: the sick thing i i keep uninstalling the fscking thing i dont use it but when i do an upgrade some damn gnome package thinks it needs it and installs it again Action: revDeke is almost ready to ditch gnome again Action: revDeke ditched it completely for about a year and went to fluxbox but wifey was using gnome and liked it so i started using again to test gnome2 before upgrading her it's a love/hate relationship right now.. =) now that kde 3.1 is out maybe i will change to that and if i get it comfy i will change her the problem is we use no kde apps she liked the desktop I swear if gnome-terminal dies on me one more time I just might try kde again just to spite it.. =/ but hated that there was no integration :( to all the gnome apps revDeke: one word Geramil err Geramik w/KDE 3.1 what is geramik? gnome and kde apps look identical its not a look thing identical, meaning everything looks gnomeish? lol no, seriously it's pretty like kde for example if she konq and tried to drag a picture into evolution it wont work ah, yeah but if she uses nautilus and evolution it does those are the kind of things that kill it integration wise for her dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. i would switch her to kmail, BUT she has been going on evolution for a year or so now and not complaining and well you married guys can understand a "leave a good thing alone" Even unmarried ones do Action: Suit goes nback lurking dyfet: saw your email im freaking on tony has he gone insane? lol that was quick what the heck is up with him inviting M$ to talk on "shared source" at an "Open Source" convention? its one thing for m$ to be paid exhibitor at a linux event but its another to invite them to speak at a conference in which they have no products fitting the bill