I've installed RPMs ok it seems - any user docs around? I think there's almost always at least someone lurking so it's usually best to just state your questions or comments.. if not some people read the logs and may answer later on I need the commands to type at the console to fire things up oh - I see .. so monitoring the logs is the way this project ticks over... I'm not familiar with the RPMs.. but there should be some samples you can play with im running RH8 - I read on the website that the project needs testing with RedHat? yea, I think almost everyone here runs debian.. =/ I've been lost the last week or so trying to recover from a dead hard drive ouch! dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." anyhow, I know if you were to grab the tarballs there should be sample directories contained within with some example forms and such to play with.. I would imagine they would be installed somewhere by the RPM, in debian they'd probably end up somewhere in /usr/share/doc/gnue*/examples the forms will have extension of .gfd and you can run them with the forms client, gnue-forms.. some of the examples may require a db, though I'm not completely sure of that. hmm - needs mxDateTime ... how do i find what version of python i have installed? ok - im on V2.2.1 python python -V actually Error: no forms definition file specified ... im looking for one ... it's been a long time since I've used rpm, isnt there a way to list the package contents? might grep such a command for samples.. or .gfd to see where they might be im a linux newbie so please have patience ... im looking for *.gfd right? (apologies for Window$ terminology) some of the stuff installs to /usr/gnue found some ... in "/usr/share/doc/GNUe-Samples-0.4.0/... there ya go hmm... that's what you're looking for does this need a database running? there seems to be a script to set up PostgreSQL... might, might not.. I dont recall.. I had a mysql db running when I first played with it so I used that.. postgres seems to be the db of choice at the moment WHOA - back to old DOS-look-alike screens ... i tried the helloworld sample "gnue-forms helloworld2.gfd" and i got a screen asking for name & address =) no GUI stuff here - atually i'm not sure that's a drawback ... it depends on which client ya use there's a GUI client then? my GOD this need more user docs ... maybe I could volunteer for some of the work, if the project guys don't mind having dorks around them ... right now, I think there's a text client, and gui client done with wxpython, a gtk2 client is in the works but I havent seen it, and I think a native windows client is also in the works but I maybe mistaken.. wxpython? ... mmmm .... a qt client is also planned in the not so distant future have you loaded designer yet? there's some docs, but they're incomplete.. I actually had the wxPython RPM running around and i've installed that... now what do i do to fire that up? gnue-designer ok 1 sec the one in cvs looks a lot spiffier.. YAY - actually this keeps getting better ... hmm ... now the ugly question ... I've never used CVS :( ... it's not too painful do you have it installed? yeah ... i've tried mucking around but no mojo ... actually, I dont know if I should suggest cvs.. =) hmm ... maybe I sould shate my intentions ... I'm but a gnue-newbie myself, btw. then you actually use it to any extent? well.. I first bumped into the project a year or two ago.. but was too tied up with other things to really spend much time, and it really looked like things were still much in the planning stages anyway. recently I checked it out again and found they had these neat tools to play with and so I spent a couple days reading as much as I could (the web docs, kernel cousins (<-real good reads), etc..) then played with the samples and stuf i tried to fire up gnue-appserver but no dice ... Error Reported: gnue.common.GComm.AdapterInitializationError: DB000: Unable to load xmlrpc. To use the XML-RPC interface, DB000: please install xmlrpc from: DB000: http://sourceforge.net/projects/py-xmlrpc the appropriate DEBIAN package is python-xmlrpc.deb ddttmm (~chatzilla@adsl-67-115-151-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. and I had just finished installing the latest RPM for XML-RPC ... I have a small embroidery business and have made a couple attempts to make systems using php, but they've ended up being 'clunky' and hard to maintain.. I was about half way through my latest attempt when I decided to redo it, in a more gnue friendly manner.. so before my drive crashed, I was working on an inventory management system.. luckily I think I was able to recover that work from the dead drive I havent played with appserver at all just forms hi guys hi heya ddttmm kac: xmlrpc for what? i tried to fire up gnue-appserver... what drew your interest into gnue, kac? good question like this... I'm involved with a small but growing company that needs some integrated software to handle its affairs... and commercial apps either do too little or too much or at too much cost or with giving you escape routes ... err without ... hear that so I started looking at linux as a desktop replacement (RedHat specifically) desktop-wise it's all ok ... e-mail client, which we are mega-dependent on is FINE with evolution ... now we lack an accounting package and a repair-job-logging system - and they need to be integrated ... and if a local coding enterprise is going to take forever to do it & keep it for himself, it's more sensible to look around and use what's publically avaliable... or assist in changing some of that and allowing others to use / reuse / contribute ... (sorry for ranting on...) the rest sould be obvious sounds like a good fit to me comments ddttmm ? the only coding environment I can seem to get to grips with is the Anjuta/Glade combination, but i'm willing to try my hand at anything if it will help ... hmm kac: so you say a "repair job logging" system... are you talking about ticketing and helpdesk type stuff? coz if so, then you need http://dcl.sf.net which is part of gnue part of the metaproject hmmm we repair photopiers ... our own and our clients so I need to log jobs, send out guys to fix, and bill clients based on time and parts consumed ... gimme 30 secs so I can give my toddler some milk ... mine are both sleeping.. *sigh* where are you in the world? hopefully for another 5 or 6 hours too.. =) Fort Worth, Texas here.. you? Malta here - and its 8am ... 1am here hehe - 7hrs time gap people all over the world here.. =) kac: hehe i'm in Mountain View, CA california kac: yeah so it sounds like you need DCL im looking at the demo as we speak (talk? type? chat? - boq!) ... hehe the demo is good hmmm ... interesting ... how would i know what Version of PHP i have (if at all?) ... you need to make a file named phpinfo.php which contains this: and load it in your browser, served bythe server in question and you'll get ALL info dont make that public :) if i do NOT have httpd as a service it means i do NOT have Apache - correct? (maybe a should call it a daemon in linux-speak) ... correct heh well it means it's not turned on (running) it may be installed although i dont know what you're consulting in order to obtain that info :) i consult the service list in RH8 "Start Here/Server Settings/Services" ... oic and non-running services are listed never seen that well it's probably installed then. rpm -qi apache that would tell ya 1 sec ... nope - don't have it which version should i use 1.x or 2.x ? 1.3.27 vanilla ? or do i need to do much tweaking ? Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello Yurik at the worst, you'll need to enable the mod_php and you'll need to make sure that you've got the related RPMs kac: like for your database and such Vee2d2: hello i've already got MySQL up and running evening lads & ladies kac: yes but you must connect php to it hi there heya ajmitch ddttmm: i'll give it a go and see where I end up kac: you must install the php-to-mysql RPMs and you must enable mysql support in php.ini kac: look for any package with 'php' and 'mysql' in the name kac: and if you can at all help it, you should use postgresql instead of mysql why? because it's better! the simplest two answers are that because the developers prefer it and hence it has less potential issues, and because mysql is known for data corruption under high volume concurrent writes either mysql itself, or the way people tend to use it in their apps hmmm... and because mysql isn't a full relational database it is but a shadow! :) yeah it's essentially a glorified SQL wrapper around a filesystem not that there's anything specifically wrong with it; it's just not an enterprise app i haven't heard of any other way to corrupt its data other than high volume concurrent writes to the same table insufficient granularity and the locking it does support is way too big and hence not used much can't recall if it does record locking or not last i knew, it didn't possibly is just table locking it was either table or row i think table V3 did table locking but i barely know what a database is. :) so i wont discuss much more ;> V4 does record locking referential integrity, actually having relations declared between tables - fat chance :) yeah, they have finally caught up with the developing world :) Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) k guys ... gotta run cuall cya.. good luck! thnks - will need it ...! kac (~kevin@194.204.106.247) left irc: "Client Exiting" ajmitch: so what's up man i'm installing axisgw and dcl not much, just got back from church Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ddttmm (~chatzilla@adsl-67-115-151-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20021130]" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) hey i tried to download a bunch of gnue stuff and get it running.. but em, well i got python errors that i coudln't decipher... should i learn a bit o python (i believe it basic) or are there still intall problems cvs isn't bad shit if you can figure gnue stuff cvs co ? um me 3 mdupont (mdupont@p5080E84F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. Hey all, Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello aaron___: what errors? SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-72.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) hey guys is gnue gpl or lgpl? GPL ok, so if i were to write a statistical package for a gnue module that does graphs and reporting on it would that also have to be gpl? ooooh, i really really need stats & graphs this next week or two ;) well, i need your support on this well, you'd have to ask derek that one :) i think possibly yes not sure tho the guy, tim perdue told me to go to hell and he would see me in court! oh lovely! what were you suggesting/asking? i said that he should review if he is in violation of the gpl that usage of internal data structures, and having to redistribute the gpled software with his could be considered a derived work and that i have asked debian-legal about this hmmm nasty what could he be violating? the same thing that a user of mysql would be violating if they make non-free clients ;) hmm emailed GNU about it? the same thing that a gcc developer would be violating if they make a non-free gcc frontend Action: ajmitch thinks you're being a bit vague :) ok, the argument is, even if you use the sql-database, or link php modules together you might be making a derived product right if you put your compiler structures into a sql table, does that make the GPL useless? Action: ajmitch doesn't even want to think about that :) ajmitch: it is the same question if this guy can get away with the debian-sf module then all i have to do is put the gcc structs into a sql table and viola, no more gpl worrying it is Action: chillywilly slaps mdupont around some Action: mdupont gives the ChillMeister a karate chop to the head Action: chillywilly blocks it with his trout-foo skillz and retaliates with a mighty crappie to the bridge of the nose Action: ajmitch watches chillywilly wake up from his dreams Action: chillywilly watches ajmitch become the first victim of the "stab ppl in the face over the internet" device Action: ajmitch thinks chillywilly is not quite awake still Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly is off to bed night night Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) Yurik (~yrashk@as5300.kharkov.ukrtel.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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How's the dcl testing? Action: jbailey pokes Derek with a stick. A study performed by an outside team appears to indicate a rough parity in performance between Java and a common implementation of another OO language called Python (see IEEE Computing, October 2000, "An Empirical Comparison of Seven Programming Languages" by Lutz Prechelt of the University of Karlsruhe). Both platforms are Object Oriented, support web applications, serialization, internet connections and native interfaces. The ke ence is that Python is a scripting language. This means there is no compilation to byte code so the Python runtime environment has to do two things in addition to what the Java runtime environment does. It has to perform syntax checks and it must parse the ascii text provided by the programmer. Both of those tasks are performed at compile time by Java and so that capability does not have to be in the JRE. Given this data, it appears that the JRE can actually be simpler than the Python RE since Java does at least some of this work at compile time. The example above of "Hello World" is a good method for getting an idea of the minimum support code required at runtime. This support code includes garbage collector, byte code interpreter, exception processor and the like. Hello World written in Java2 requires 9M for this most basic suppo structure. By comparison, this is slightly larger than automountd on Solaris8. The Python runtime required to execute Hello World is roughly 1.6M. --- thats for jamest jbailey: hopefully i can get to it today life has been hell :( Bah! i apologize for not getting to test it yet really =) i do jamest: the above blurbs are from internal SUN memo you can find more on slashdot derek: Stop reading slashdot and test my deb. =) rofl i actually have a minute i htink i will do so Thanks. =) doh seems i never tested the last one Error executing query! SELECT dcl_config_name, dcl_config_field, dcl_config_int,dcl_config_double, dcl_config_date, dcl_config_datetime,dcl_config_varchar FROM dcl_config ERROR: dcl_config: Permission denied. Template Error: filename: file ./templates//login.tpl does not exist. Halted. ./templates? Hmmm well its worse than that the query fails Oh, I see. seems users is www-data and if i login as that user i dont have rights but i just changed config.php to something else And the templates//login.tpl just indicates that you never setup your config.php right. and still get errors right well no it indicates that it couldnt read the dcl_config table which in this case indicates that you have issues :) hmmm i changed /etc/dcl/config.php to have a user that does have rights but still get same error most odd running grant.sh and changing back will see what that does bingo yeah ok your old package works great :) The old package? =) That's funny. all you have to do is setup up a db called dcl There's several missing pages. =) well could be but the basic sa login works :) The new version should fix that, though. going to try to upgrade now dcl_0.9.2-1_all.deb is what i am testing right? Yes, please. what is best way to install that from command line to upgrade package? dpkg --install foo.deb ? dpkg -i dcl_0.9.2-1_all.deb Yes. ok dpkg doesn't suck like RPM that way. didnt know if it was diff for upgrades (only install debs i cant get with apt rarely) well latitude:/home/dneighbo# dpkg -i dcl_0.9.2-1_all.deb (Reading database ... 94860 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace dcl 20020705-pre1 (using dcl_0.9.2-1_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement dcl ... Setting up dcl (0.9.2-1) ... latitude:/home/dneighbo# it didnt crap itself *lol* ouch what the hell happened to the fonts? In what? everything shrunk in dcl it was all normal size i hit 'refresh' on the login page after upgrade and all fonts and stuff are much smaller mdean: likely did as there are boxes that didnt exist and such Action: derek admits this is my first look at 0.9.x Ah lovely. =) as i had 0.9.x ready to go months ago and we never released So I'll have at least one person using my debs? =) mdean add some new goodies and released ok looks like you didnt execute the upgrade scripts? No. Are there upgrade scripts to be run? =) And do these upgrade scripts determine the database version correctly? (Like, if they get run multiple times, do bad things happen?) jbailey: dbNames="dcl" # Database names where DCL's stuff resides host="localhost" # IP/Name of host machine running Postgres port="5432" # Port on that machine that Postgres is listening on grantTo="nobody" seems that grantTo should be www-data not nobody on debian? yes there is scripts/ugprades/ tehre is a shell file 'createupgrades' that will look at your current version and build an upgrade file Cool. what is really whacked is the version shows as 20010923 which is REALLY old that is what your old deb had Huh, werid. Hmm. I've never done automatic database setup. ok applied -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89 Feb 3 20:45 20010923.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1253 Feb 3 20:45 20011203.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89 Feb 3 20:45 20011209.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89 Feb 3 20:45 20011210.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 367 Feb 3 20:45 20011215.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89 Feb 3 20:45 20020120.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89 Feb 3 20:45 20020215.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89 Feb 3 20:45 20020706.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 470 Feb 3 20:45 20021021.sq -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 844 Feb 3 20:45 20021023.sq dneighbo@latitude:/usr/share/dcl/scripts/upgrades/pgsql$ and -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86 Feb 3 20:45 0.9.0.sql -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 90 Feb 3 20:45 0.9.1.sql -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 209 Feb 3 20:45 0.9.2.sql things now seem up to date And it seems to generally behave the way you expect it to? you want me to file bug reports jbailey: well login and appearance seems correct which is a very good start i have to go to church now Don't file bug reports on a non-uploaded version. i can try to really do more than 'kick the tires' If there're showstoppers let me know before tuesday. Otherwise I will upload it then. and 'test drive it' later today Cool. Just send me emails. but at this point it looks like its worthy of taking a spin around the block in :) Cool, thanks. Happy church'ing. thanks bbl derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-125.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) aaron___ (coyote@msp-24-163-193-174.mn.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Did you guys see that /. article about Sun not using Java? http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1321 They do a few comparisons to Python. yeah and some of the reader's comments make me realize ppl don't really understand python "it's a scripting language... you can't write applications with that... how can you possibly compare the two!" :) or my favorite towards the end "anyone who's used both languages will tell you java is much faster because of its optimizations" *snicker* I didn't actually read all the /. drivel, just the memo. jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "off to work" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: How good is Python's optimiser? 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I wouldn't have that it would be possible to make a language with a garbage collector faster than a language without one. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@wlg1-port27.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port30.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: ajmitch_!~ajmitch@wlg1-port27.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz)) hmm well they're talking about doing JIT Nick change: ajmitch_ -> ajmitch and making use of things such as lists/dicts can be implemented in ways that can be faster than the common C approaches Mr_You (~rouzer@gso167-138-145.triad.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Curious if anyone has thought about a method of syncing disconnected clients? know what I mean? well I guess I'm getting ahead of myself hehe I should be asking, is there a method being consider to provide disconnected clients. Many apps do this. Lets use a sales tool for example. Salesman is out on the road and needs to input data. Salesman connects to the Internet or corporate network to sync this data with the main databases. Sales person! ;-) yo um when we have talked about it in the past we called it 'briefcase' mode and we have talked about it, but not done anythign with it any progress on web interface? hey I need an exim expert as mails have been bouncing since reviving gandalf and now I have a shit load of them stuck in /var/spool/exim/input and I want to know how to make exim deliver them...it told me it refused to deliver them cause there were over 100 messages :( haven't managed a exim server I had perms fscked apparently Action: chillywilly needs to learn to use proper flags with cp next time (hopefully there won't be a next time) Action: chillywilly should've used -p Mr_You: i would say most core developers are not 'itching' for a web based interface so until someone nuts up and goes to town on one the answer will be the same i.e. it is possible if someone took the time to write one, if they did it in python with the pluggable UI system it would be fairly easy most regrettably webmonkeys read this as 'rewrite the entire forms client in php' and they suffer in pain trying to do so and quickly give up Action: derek is away: I'm busy HEH so Jan is a "web monkey" now? is tha an official title? and if so what can I do to ascertain the "trout boy" title? http://www.funfolly.com/g/mascots/cf191ndd.gif ^-- buy one of those costumes, and you can have that title dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mmmm... seaweed salad sushi anywhere? picked up some sushi at the grocery.. its not the best but satisfies my urge i miss my sushi chef from when i was in virginia he would personally fish in the atlantic :) derek: I thought someone had already begun working on something.. james or jason hmmm, som crazy shit has been going down eh? with this eGovOS thingy lol Action: chillywilly is finally reading some mails sorry my exim was b0rked cause my HD died aand I copied stuff without sing -p and that caused havoc dyfet: who won 1st place at LWE? and to think all i said was i was not attending... M$? yes ?!?!? for what? "unix services for windows" omfg what a crock of shit wow...that's just immensely frelling sad didn't Reben live in WI at one time? I think I've seen him post on the Milwaukee LUG list Ruben ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl3-188.citlink.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" yes he did thought so or his wife at least comes from wi small world :) Ruben is quite, um.... well, annoying is the first word that comes to mind first word == first polite word I get along fine with him :) i think i applied the term that he can have the insticts of a poleaxe :). but yes, once you get past the blades he has a number of interesting points hey dudes his spelling sucks seems like i will need to use GNUe can't he do M-x ispell ;) any email that contains "I more than anyone on this list" is someone I automatically stop listening to hmmm, he's getting pretty nasty now I'm sure he has an outstanding resume it's come down to a pissing match now now we get to see the real side of politics :) I agree jcater he's looking like a fool now i gotta get this inventory thing done ASAP, will need to have printable reports (using template for purchase orders, etc) i also need to import a fair chunk of csv data, so i'd best get out my csv parser :) gnue reports? :) Ruben is dead spot on about Tony, imho sounds like code talk chillywilly: yes, i need printable reports on windows :) might have to do a hack & use reportlab to create pdfs, then start acroread :) chillywilly: still playing with exim? no mails all flooding in erm well they were trying anyway still some stuck ok I am still reading mail now got some frozen in the queue? in /var/spool/exim yea exim -qf lol i am sure there is a lot of egovos stuff clogging that pipe by now :) is that the option I want? dyfet: yes :) dyfet: that is the thread I am on dunno, it gets run by /etc/ppp/ip-up.d here well -M is supposed to free up soem messages I think they just finally times out ok and exim went off trying again timed* there's still froen messages apparently frozen I have enogh to read right now ;P hey dan, do you have any other events to suggest i not attend and see what happens?! :) heheh jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. how about an event where I can finally meet some people face to face ;) Action: chillywilly will just have to meet jbailey in Madison ;P right jeff? Sure. =) dark alley? :-o Action: ajmitch will probably never meet any of you :) except Isomer you're not missing much hehe so Tony is giving GNU ppl that shaft now? WHAT A SURPRISE depends if you decide to interpret events that way Action: chillywilly keels over...the mere shock overtaking him so when is the gnue list going to be moderated to stop this argument? :) lol ajmitch: C'mon. You gotta leave Australia *one* day. =) man...the mails never end NZ, sorry Bah. nah yeah, but do you think it'd be safe to visit the US? :) he has his own little island what more could a hacker want? ;) ajmitch: it's safe in WI ;) someone to deliver pizza ajmitch: No. That's my biggest worry about having to go there in a couple weeks. ajmitch: It's tempting to cancel the trip. chillywilly: 'safe' in what way? safe as in no terrorist activities safe from crime, or safe from government (same thing, really) no one cares about WI ajmitch: I certainly expect it will be my last visit to the US for hopefully a year or two. that's the truth what a worhtless state hehe um, no well, except for the beer and cheese production whatever I am itching to go see the country music hall of fame man.... Action: ajmitch doesn't want to get arrested for being 'subversive' :) i'd be itching to burn it down I CAN HARDLY CONTAIN MYSELF l;shalekkfjhhfk go TN! ajmitch: Entering the US these days is supposed to be entertaining. Fingerprints and pictures. =( rock and roll hall of fame is here too jbailey: everyone's a terrorist until proven innocent :) Action: ajmitch wonders what people think of that PATRIOT 2 Act Hockey hall of fame is here. =) Action: derek is back (gone 01:51:09) wb derek o grand mata hi derek s/mata/masta/ Heya derek. How's the deb testing going? =) jbailey: deb testing? what debs? dcl? ajmitch: Yeah. Action: ajmitch has gnue 0.4.3 debs for you, but you want a patch... :) Derek's going to make sure they work first. =) hehe ajmitch: Should be easy. I imagine you didn't change the rules file any. So I need to know where you fetched the upstream tarball from, and then diffs to the files in debian/patches rofl jbailey: havent gotten back to computer to test at computer in 2 minute intervals to burn cd's every 10 minutes or so wife gave me pile of aerobics cd's she has been bugging to burn for ages before tehy get so ruined they are not worthy of backing up Action: derek delights that i have a very valid and real reason to back up music (though i hate the pain of doing it) i.e. wife has to take cds to work for aerobic classes she teaches and giong club to club etc they get 'beat up' if didnt make backups would be buying new cd's way too much on that not anyone know if there is a tool to mess with beats per minute on linux? so i dont have to shell out big cash currently i pay 20 for a 2 cd set for her :( that is nothing but compilation cd's remixed at higher beat per minute jbailey: i changed one line in the rules file - tarball name its sick as i own most of the stuff already just not at right beats per minute :( dyfet: hey also changed debian/control a little, for dependencies on wxpython re: the list, ruben is well, interesting i didnt mean to start a big hoopla Action: derek was just responding to you saying i agreed and might be best for GNU Enterprise to avoid eGovOS altogether lol ajmitch: Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that dbs doesn't autodetect that. didnt realize it went to gnu and other lists and then bam huge flame fest Action: derek STILL didnt realize it was on gnu list until i got the 'you have mail to approve' emails derek: Look at dbmix, it might do what you need. jbailey: thanks i dont think its anywhere near died down yet... derek: I use it at parties for turning radio mixes into dancable songs. =) jcater: i finally looked at that costume and you are one sick puppy the french maid costume? jcater: Err.. You have a picture of you in a french maid costume? french trout i think kac (~kevin@194.204.106.247) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: you'd want to see it? Action: ajmitch shudders hi kac ajmitch: No, I just can't understand why he'd show it off. I mean we all have pictures like those from drunken parties we can't remember. heh we do? jbailey: I think it shows off my beer gut really well ajmitch: Do you drink? Independent channel controls: volume/gain/level, pitch/speed control +/- 10%mute, cue, and pause that might do what i need hi there seems everything has been delivered except 58 frozone messages blah [21:16] Last message repeated 2 time(s). seems everything has been delivered except 58 frozone messages dkljf hskdjklsjdf wtf? you on crack or something? YES atmospheric crack pretty high in WI jbailey: i don't ajmitch: Then perhaps those pictures don't exist for you. =) thankfully :) jbailey: there's incentive right there to visit jbailey: you can get a buzz by simply breathing q00t! w00t! chillywilly: ?? jbailey: any tips for dbmix? 21:16 < jcater> you on crack or something? 21:16 < chillywilly> YES 21:16 < chillywilly> atmospheric crack 21:16 < chillywilly> pretty high in WI derek: Yes: Be patient. i see an xmms-dbmix Action: chillywilly slaps jbailey with the back log derek: It's not a well designed program. so im not so sure how this is oging to work :) havoc (~havoc@mke-65-31-168-36.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello havoc hiya derek: I would use xmms to feed dbmix, and then tell dbmix to output to a file once you have the speed/pitch settings right. hi John chillywilly: hi Action: ajmitch hits the gnue Action: chillywilly looks at exim jbailey: is dbmix commandline? Action: chillywilly gives it the evil eye derek: No. X im not sure how i run dbmix i guess fire up xmms and play a song? with output to dbmix? chillywilly: you go to MLUG yesterday? derek: Yeah. I don't have the list of the moduels handy that you'd need. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "time to go home" derek: It's all on the laptop which is packed away. havoc: nope havoc: did you? nope what did they do? I forgot to tell ya the thruth but I was pretty busy no idea "truth"? ah "truth, " jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly: It was cleaning day here yesterday as the Woman is back from Hawaii weee yeah at least it was a little cleaner than when she left and now she's at work :( heh you slob ;) hey, I said it was cleaner than then when she left :) suuuure ;) Action: chillywilly waits for the frelling messages to be unforze froce froze [21:29] Last message repeated 3 time(s). ;sldjh kjshdle SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-224.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi SachaS hi ajmitch. how are you? ok network at uni is down (a switch failed) so got home. better of here :) hehe jcater (~jason@66.61.83.220) joined #gnuenterprise. wb jcater thanks chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "brb" can anyone brief me about integration of dcl and gnue? rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-125.client.insightBB.com) joined #gnuenterprise. kac: how brief? I can do it in 3 words: "Hasn't happened yet" hey now one question at a time (though you did ask in separate channels) :) jcater: i'm looking at dcl & it looks interesting - i need dcl (in an ideal world) to dump billing records into an accounting system... next level up in briefness: "... but the details are being worked out" ah what accounting package are you using? dcl's database schema is fairly straight forward I don't even think it'd be hard to get dcl to dump that data as a CSV file (if that was an option with your accounting package) jcater: does gnue have an accounting package available or in the works? i can answer.. me me me ;) pretty much what jcater said with 1.0 of dcl (dont ask for a date) contact management will be able to handled in gnue right now config tables can be handled in gnue kac: gnue's accounting stuff is in the works... it woulnd't be usable for anyone looking for an accounting package to use today :( someday I won't have to say that anymore Action: jcater waits for that day :) jcater: can that part of the project use some help? and basic service requests had forms but its not fully integrated at this point as to the billing stuff best bet is to dump data out (hours/accounts) but ULTIMATELY i have plans for dcl to be used for service based billing Action: derek does evil laugh Action: derek needs junkfood bbiam jcater: can the financials part of the project use some help? Action: kac yawns kac: absolutely sorry...was grabbing some food jcater: how much progress has been done to now? much of the focus has been on the tools to date the financials are mainly in the proposal state but the bulk of the work is in getting the underlying tools in shape dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" so I expect to see stuff really takeoff with actual modules soon my background is: quick, chain him to the channel! he's volunteering! :) hehehe.... Accounts executive for some years now, some experience coding using (mainly) M$ Access, playing around with gnome/gtk/glade pi**ed off with commercial stuff & looking for open-source alternatives ... ajmitch: do you know if subversions.gnu.org actually runs subversions, or is that just a clever name? kac: we can relate unfortunately, there isn't a lot to see in the free/open source world right now :( wrt accounting, I mean jcater: name was chosen before subversion was started as a project :) jcater: that's exactly what I would like to change ... ajmitch: so that's a no? that's a no kac: then we'd like to see you stick around with us :) it was thought about, but they found that it would be too much work to get subversion running properly for all people ajmitch: handcuffs are closing on me ... :) things like requireing apache2 hehehe Action: ajmitch is going to be immersed in gnue for the next 2 weeks - i might need a stable forms in cvs :) any idea on what jamest is up to at the moment? yes any inclination to tell me? :) chillywilly (~danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. no no? nope are there any nice examples of an integrated app with forms & reports yet? :) no no? nope so that's the question we were asking? heh asking=answering dunno rdean (~rdean@12-221-229-125.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" right now, the only interaction is an os.system() call or such or loading the reports classes that's possible would be cleaner but hasn't been done afaik yeah shouldn't be hard i'll do it then :) but I have no examples to show you i need to do a number of simple reports that have to be viewable on the screen might hack around with report lab & opening a pdf viewer would give me printing or output html, depending on the complexity of the reports don't think that'd be appreciated clients are picky :/ ok no no? nope so that's the question we were asking? my no was an answer to any idea on what jamest is up to at the moment? and any inclination to tell me? :) :) well, I won't say publicly, because I don't think he wants everyone to know about the pet goats and what he's been up to oops :)= Action: derek is away: bedtime night derek jcater (~jason@66.61.83.220) left irc: "bedtime" --- Mon Feb 10 2003