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<Arturas> Hello
<dtm> Arturas: hi
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<reinhard> jcater: you do more commits to appserver than me lately ;-)
<jcater> sorry
<derek> jcater: what you doing in common?
<jcater> preparatory organization
<derek> interesting
<jcater> part of the 0.5.0 release of common includes several simplifications of datasources
<jcater> well, simplification from the end user
<jcater> we started focusing on dbdriver reorganization
<jcater> but decided to group all of common
<jcater> as the root dir of common was getting unweildy
<jcater> but with the dbdriver cleanup
<jcater> instead of having
<jcater> _pgsql/
<jcater> postgresql/
<jcater> psycopg/
<jcater> popy/
<jcater> we'll have
<jcater> postgresql/
<jcater>   Base/
<jcater>   Schema
<jcater>   popy/
<jcater>    psycopg/
<jcater> well, that tree didn't come out very aligned, but you get the point
<jcater> we keep the schema discovery and creation logic out of the individual drivers
<jcater> so that we can use it without loading a driver
<jcater> also, connections.conf can be simplified for the end user
<jcater> the following 3 entries would be the same
<jcater> # Use the first-available Postgre       SQL driver
<jcater> [gnue]
<jcater> provider=postgresql 
<jcater> # Use psycopg (slow-loading method, but backwards compatable)
<jcater> [gnue]
<jcater> provider=psycopg
<jcater> # Use psycopg (fast-loading/preferred method)
<jcater> [gnue]
<jcater> provider=postgresql/psycopg
<jcater> the first one loads any installed dbdriver (psycopg, popy, pgsql)
<jcater> the next two specifically load psycopg
<jcater> we can also go one step further and add a
<jcater> behavior=..... 
<jcater> tag
<jcater> you'll be the first to see the benefit of that
<jcater> as
<jcater> # Use ODBC with a PostgreSQL personality
<jcater> [gnue]
<jcater> provider=odbc
<jcater> behavior=postgresql
<jcater> # Use DB2 with the v5-style metadata
<jcater> [gnue]
<jcater> provider=db2
<jcater> behavior=db2/v5
<jcater> would then be valid
<jcater> i.e., you can associate vendor-specific schema stuff w/general odbc drivers
<jcater> or if a particular vendor changed their schema stuff, we can subversion w/in the driver tree
<jcater> e.g., Oracle v6 is different than Oracle v7-9
<reinhard> jcater: no need to excuse or to be sorry
<reinhard> any improvement of common is also an improvement of appserver
<reinhard> that's the nature of common :-)
<jcater> speaking of which, I was looking at appserver pretty heavily today
<jcater> and have some questions
<jcater> I think y'all are really making it harder on yourselves than it needs to be
<jcater> I see you redoing a lot of stuff
<jcater> but that may be because you don't know common does certain things
<jcater> (and that's our fault for poor documentation)
<reinhard> sorry phone
<derek> appserver works as a phone
<derek> cool
<derek> ;)
<jcater> ah, fsck
Action: derek runs off to bed
<jcater> it's 2:00 am
Action: jcater is away: bed
Action: derek is away: sleep
<reinhard> jcater: i'd like to talk about that
<reinhard> night
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<jcater> reinhard: it'll have to wait a few hours :)
<reinhard> no prob
<jcater> wife is probably already going to murder me
<reinhard> night jcater and derek
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<reinhard> brb
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<derek> ah crap jcater is up
<jcater> morning
<derek> nothing like a nice commit message to wake you up
<derek> though its no substitute for a fresh donut
<derek> extra glaze
<jcater> mmmm
Action: jcater is back (gone 09:37:00)
<jcater> geeze
<jcater> I thought I overslept
<jcater> but I've been up for an hour
<jcater> so I guess not really
Action: jcater is prepared to kick some cvs arse today
<jcater> or be kicked one
Action: Vee2d2 gets his pom poms
<jcater> Vee2d2: now, I'm not into that sort of thing
<jcater> btw, do you ever sleep?
<jcater> you're up later than us and wake before us
<Vee2d2> here and there.. =)
<Vee2d2> I have a lot of work atm
<jcater> I suppose that's a good thing
<Vee2d2> lately it is.. =/
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<derek> ok smartass 
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<derek> lets just say my sound card is going off the hook because a certain fellow in tennessee ;)
<Vee2d2> haha
<bobacus> What are .sxw files?
<jcater> OpenOffice
<bobacus> thanks
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<jeko> hi all
<derek> hi jeko
<derek> where is pt?
<derek> hmmm portugal
<derek> interesting
<jeko> hi
<jeko> yes
<jeko> why?
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<derek> jcater: you mind dropping in #sapdb for a minute?
<derek> for a common question
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<StyXman> hi all
<StyXman> are there any plans of a listbox widget?
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<Mr_You> hi
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<collord> this is a complicated project
<Mr_You> hi
<collord> hi
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<Mr_You> did donuts in the parking lot today.
<chillywilly> HEH
<chillywilly> in NC?
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<Mr_You> yeah
<chillywilly> jbailey: you take the car and spin it around in a circle in the snow ;)
<jbailey> do, like, have sex with?
<Mr_You> you turn the steering wheel all the way to one side and hit the gas.
<jbailey> AH!!!
<jbailey> Okay, I get it. =)
<Mr_You> :-P heh
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<jbailey> chillywilly: I drive, but when I was a teenager likely to do such things it was in my mothers car.
<chillywilly> cause I am cure Canadians should know this technique
<jbailey> Yeah.  I had forgotten the lingo. =)
<jbailey> I do remember being shown the proper way to do e-brake turns on gravel.
<chillywilly>  hehe
<Mr_You> e-brake is cool, but scary.
<jbailey> Especially after you just finished lipping off the asian gang folks and need to get away. ;P
<Mr_You> heh
<Mr_You> bud tried that once in someone elses car.. we slammed into the curb and the car went up on two wheels and back down.. I held my coke up between the front seats hehe
<jbailey> *lol*
<jbailey> erf was the master at it.
<jbailey> He also knew all of the cul-de-sac's in the city to demo it on.
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<Mr_You> audi has a new sequential transmission.. 
<Mr_You> e-brake is fun in grand theft auto ;-)
<jbailey> OMG, jep just sent me this: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/vegans.html
<chillywilly> wow....
<chillywilly> not onyl doe she insult vegetarian/begans but goes on to say women are inferior
<chillywilly> erm, vegans
<chillywilly> I'd like to smack this guy
<chillywilly> the cain and abel analogy si taken way out of context and also the verse he tries to se as justification is a joke in itself....I just love it how ppl can take scripture and demonize it so... ugh
<chillywilly> there's a verse he's forgetting...it's where Paul says even if somehting is dctrinally sound (like moderate drinking, etc.) we shouldn'y do it if it causes our brother to stumble because this is more important than being "right"
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<chillywilly> man they are just offensive...
<chillywilly> look at this crpa about Arabs being like clingons
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<chillywilly> holier than thou is too nice of a description for that trash
<chillywilly> that site has got to be ajoke
<chillywilly> jbailey: plz tell me that site a parody site or something
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<jbailey> chillywilly: I can only assume.  By biblical knowledge is sufficiently weak that I couldn't tell you for certain.
<Mr_You> I like the one that accuses FreeBSD is linked with Satan.
<jbailey> But I'm used to being called a Devil's minion for being a Unitarian Universalist long before someone thinks about the Veganism. =)
<Mr_You> someone saw his "essay" and suggested it hehe
<Mr_You> no doubt.
<Mr_You> because of the daemons ;-)
<chillywilly> it is a parody site
<Mr_You> have you seen that one I'm talking about?
<chillywilly> there's no way ppl can be that screwed up in the head
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<chillywilly> man I should organize all these papers...my desk is a mess
<chillywilly> gah, it's so cold out
<jbailey> It wasn't too bad.  -6 on the way home.
<chillywilly> yea well I am saying that because my feet are freezing
<derek> hmmm
<derek> its 70 right now here 
<chillywilly> shaddup
<derek> or at least that is what gweather says
<derek> it was 74 when i went to the store a few hours ago
<chillywilly> oh my buddy form school is the author kweather
<chillywilly> from
<chillywilly> of kweather
<chillywilly> my typing skillz are teh sux
<derek> jbailey: fwiw i fully tested the debs for 0.9.2 they do good :)
<derek> i.e. it all works
<derek> i think i had to do some things by hand to get the 'upgrade' to perform
<derek> as i would have to if did new install as well
<derek> but we knew that going in
<derek> i.e. having to setup/upgrade tables in postgres
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<derek> and run a bash script for some permissions on the tables
<derek> but other than that
<derek> its looking GROOVY
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