Action: derek needs to run off to bed Action: derek is away: sleep #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o derek' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. Topic changed on #gnuenterprise by derek!~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net: Welcome to #gnuenterprise.... where cvs is on fire! - GNUe developers please check DCL for overdue tickets and close what has been resolved. --da masta KILL [00:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). da masta admonishes you to KILL ALL BUGS SO IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN Mr_You (~rouzer@gso167-138-145.triad.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M690P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Remote closed the connection btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: dtm crushes the city streets behind lupo_ as lupo_ flees ok i need cereal. so it's a good thing that i have some. cereal is good dtm: have you taken the blue or the red pill? yeah "honey bunches of oats", 2 boxes for $4. at Safeway. uh oh, dtm on the rampage hello here IsoosI lupo_: uh which was the one that blows everything up? lupo_: coz i done took that one. Action: lupo_ announces the "dtm anti-agression programme" with multiple levels of simulated weird brutalities and enriched soy milk for $3 per 64oz Nick change: IsoosI -> Isomer ooooooo sign me up !!! Action: dtm <3 lupo_ together with 3 billion e-mail addresses and free viagra just $999 oo it's a "programme".... that's one of those crazy exotic European dealies isn't it? yes ok yeah 3B will do uh so when i installed this Debian thingie operating system uh they told me that I'd be receiving free offers in the mail and you got? for Instant Pestering, news, stocks, ads, services, and ads well ALL I GOT WAS THESE STOOPID DATABASES that's all they got on this server here! that's all it does, is the dynamic html and the compilers i mean, what?! who needs that stuff? what am i, some geek? where's the hot gnu on bison action?! the movies, the sports, the Chinese rope lasso lessons?! # apt-get install jackie-chan this is #gnuenterprise, right? ** PLEASE INSERT $9.95 TO CONTINUE ** ajmitch: where? Action: ajmitch sobs quietly in the background hey dont be makin with the interweb hacker talk on me, baby Action: dtm gets loaded up on Aqua Teen Hunger Force, for inspiration brb coz as i'mj typing to you guys, my cereal's getting soggy Action: lupo_ wonders wtf is going on lupo_: dtm's here, need we say more? pre-war behavioral disease? normal behaviour for dtm, i'm afraid HELP! lol he's a secret iraqi agent who wants to stop patriotic software like gnue! (standard accusation of the week (tm)) patriotic? down with america! :) down where? dunno not down here, anyway under? *g* no! keep it away! perhaps you meant "drown", like atlantis oooh, that'd be fun fok. here i am. it would be sufficient to drop the current administration s/f// Action: ajmitch heads off to bed ajmitch: thansk for your help, hackerboy night all ajmitch: l8r night may you dream of streaming mp3s and free video game preview downloads i still feel strange when i type that immediately after lunch lupo_: yeah. dtm: you've missed the "drop bush not bombs" part yeah yeah yeah dropping Bush and friends on iraq. lolo and let the natives sort it out. yeah they're stupid and dumb and they suck and they're ruining everything and... and.... hopefulyl nothing else. coz man, i already done played Rampage once today for like 30 game days. that's a lot of virtual quarters. that game eats em up. it's like impossible. to not die. which is apparently what Bush thinks too about life. on saturday a german musician said that no bomber pilot would fly if he had to shake hands with each victim yeah that's a good idea. they should send em in there and have em shake hands "hey there. i'm boutta bust your ass to the bujeezus and back. wellp. I guess that's about it. bye." and then have em write a postcard to the survivors. ugh yeah they'd be motivated then. and write a book report on the local culture and publish that and be forced to advertise it on local TV yes and then apologize. "here's the book with photos of all the people i've killed (before and after!)" DEAR VICTIMS I'M SORRY YOU WERE RIGHT AND I WAS WRONG. I WAS DUMB AND YOU ARE SMART. I AM UGLY AND YOU ARE...... VERY ATTRACTIVE. :(" yes not that it would help as all these ppl are already dead but well SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-194.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) oh yeah well you can address it to the survivors then, SIGNED -- MISTER WARMONGER ok you people, there1 ! oh yes, they'll surely forgive debian people in da howse i'm boutta take the plunge yeah after they WAKE UP DEAD THE NEXT DAY :=[ i'm-a walkin' a looong looong waaay-a in da debian street-a! hey i have an idea they blasted the dirt off of the earth over there in Japan twice then later nationally apologized and then? and rebuilt the stuff so like hey MAYBE THIS IS THE MAGIC TIME i have a deja-vu when scorched earth will solve a problem. i have an even more unique idea: what about a faked attack on pearl harbor? and imprinting human silouhettes into concrete will be more advantageous than just not having trained the terrorists and incited them to violence IN THE FIRST PLACE what? hey you know what's the creepiest, scummiest thing ever? i saw pictures of a PRO WAR RALLY in the US yes, idiots are a powerful human tribe they are everywhere they have their own set of euphemistic delights such as "FREEDOM IS NOT FREE" along with a picture of military graves. more powerful than the illuminates and like when these million-person anti-war rallies were happening these people were showing up nearby in numbers as high as 35 at a time! wow (official count by the participants) really encouraging for the bush administration but they said they were just getting started and now 35 ppl is a good reason to go to war there was like more signed up, but it was dark out. i read the message board they were saying things like WOW YOU ACTUALLY GOT OUT THERE A WHOLE DAY? MAN IT WAS JUST DARK OUT, WHERE I WAS LOLOLOLZ HADDA TAKE THE LAWN CHAIR AND THE YOUNGUNS IN EARLY YOUNGUNS??? BUT THEY HAD US A BUG ZAPPER SHOW AND SOME HOT DOGS SO IT WEREN'T COMPLETE BUST! P.S. FRY SADDAM!!!!!! :-/ sick fry chicken! we share DNA, apparently, with this element. to some degree. we share DNA with mice, so be cool about that point. it says nothing. oic noted there are apes that have closer relationship with us than these ppl o/~ isn't it time we stop the hate understand our fears neat btw i should like to meet these brethren apes of yours. tell them i said hi could you please explain why so many US citizens think that "they (the muslims) hate 'us'" ??? we should totally rap over some sign language ohhhhh yeah that can be summed up in a few words i think. xenophobia oh bigotry cultural isolation aha fear interesting total misinformation national fundamentalism? yeah i guess so sounds good see in the US it's very hard to find unbiased information not so much objectively speaking, but subjectively so the political war is not christian vs. muslim world but fundamentalists of both sides vs. those who choose to think for themselves ? what do you read to get useful information? well like on the day of Sept 11, 2001 i was in #worldtradecenter in here, and in the following days and weeks i was *still* gleaning information FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE about what Islam even is, and what life in Afghanistan is at all. dude as it turned out, it was like i had never heard the word "Afghanistan" before i had no idea that the Taliban existed i had met one person who i knew was Muslim is it true that 90% in the US (according to a street survey) weren't able to locate it on a world map? and only because we were coworkers doing some long hours and because we were both highly spiritually inclined, did i even get a chance to understand what the Q'uran (sp?) is or who Mohammed (sp?) is and how this relates to the Bible i mean it took long hours we have learned this at school and a boatload of patience because i suck the spine out of a person and digest it for weeks, when there's something critical i need to know so i have a bare smattering of a clue. same goes for me :) kinda. so i dont think i've ever met anyone else who was born American, who even knows that much. plus i'm in Silicon Valley one of the most culturally diverse and population-dense areas of the US i walk into Denny's at 3 am and there are natives from 10 countries, no kidding. (denny's is a nationwide 24hr restaurant) strange i once lived in a building that was literally 90% indian with > 400 total occupants software industry i guess yeah and research and universities and cultural studies and psychology etc there are schools here specializing in multiculturalism behind all their majors so tell me, where is the xenophobia here? i've known people iwth PhDs from such a school, who dont know what the Q'uran is you are kidding no. you are kidding well they know that it's the religious book and stuff but they dont know what it says. or how it links to the perversely radical beliefs of the terrorists well in their distorted way there is no serious problem in doing the same with the bible in fact, it has been done before eh? oh yeah well they have no problem understanding how the Bible relates to abortion clinic bombings in their perverse way i mean, Americans are on average spiritual seekers if it's possible to make such a grotesque generalization about any population. i mean the crusades of european countries to jerusalem in the 10th, 11th, 12th century but i think 9/11 shows that. yeah well. all i'm saying is that there's a TOTAL LACK OF EDUCATION :) the q'uran is radically different in context, compared to anything i've ever seen even compared to the Mormons which is an alleged extension to the Bible [X] you got the point. how is a person who's never read it and been culturally sensitized since childhood, expected to have any *way* to grasp the skills necessary to tolerate terrorism being linked to a harmless religion? especially when the only thing we've ever been told about such things, are in terms of terrorism it's a radical leap of context it's like imagining living on the moon or in Gingerbread Land some people have the extremely deeply compassionate skills and interpersonal intelligences needed to TRY to bridge it by instinct *g* but literally the closest thing we have to gauge by are things like movies unless you go COMPLETELY totally utterly off the pop culture grid US movies are to education what military is to peace and then suddenly are expected to know how to brave a new world of misinformation and radical polarization. yeah i mean once i started reading the links pasted into #worldtradecenter, i was once again totally disillusioned how can i possibly believe any of it? even in simple unpolitical movies like MIB, you see a US flag every couple of minutes this is sick i'd have to basically spend a couple years of cultural sensitization and research, resulting in the equivalent of an associate degree don't believe anything just to understand what i read in the news. and I'd have to do it by *myself* cultural momentum and groupthink is such a hellish problem that there was a whole country founded on the basis of collective self governance :-/ and that was just a beta test collective self-governedness the reason why it's so heavily linked with "Americans" is because this country is so utterly vast and populous now, if somehow God had broken this part of the continent up into 50 countries, we'd be whistling up a different neck of the woods. a la Europe where people are forced to try to tolerate their neighbors dewd. we dont even have different languages here. across the span of 50 states. i mean.... the next time you wonder why the US seems culturally self centric, imagine what it would be like if you could just take a weekend off and drive across your entire continent using one ID, one currency, one language, and were able to eat at exactly the same menu from the same restaurant every 10 minutes. :) and once you've done that, you can resume fearing it ;> coz it sux i challenge any other group to grow up in those conditions and not behave the same way. cultural diversity is like trying to escape from a tar pit. which you were born in the center of and can't even see out of in a period from 2nd to 9th grade, in my childhood, I recall seeing in my entire school district only about 5 kids who had a significantly different color of skin than me, and they were only there for about a year each. that was in rural Kansas a huge area SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-235.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. i've been in California for about 4 years now and I still totally stare at people every day coz of the wonderful diversity it's embarassing but i can't stop looking :} i walk out of a restaurant and tell my friend "that person had such as awesome face!" lupo_: so THERE YOU HAVE IT AS I SEE IT. :) wait! 'apt-get purge ' doesn't exist. how's that work again? apt-get --purge package right? ok so what line am i supposed to enter in this /etc/apt/sources.list ? sorry my big boss called on me im back now that you for your opinion in eu, we are quite misinformed about life in the US what do you want with the sources.list? hehhe gotta go swimming :) bye lupo_ (~lupo@pD951CBD3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" dtm: apt-get --purge remove dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: derek is away: reloading crack pipe Yurik (~yrashk@195.5.54.153) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik (~yrashk@195.5.54.153) left irc: "�� XChat" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: dsmith -> ds|lunch wtf kind of topic is that kind of pisses me off I think it's a joke man I don't think so seeing as how my inbox was full of dcl reassigns this morning the appropriate topic should be: Welcome to #gnuenterprise... CVS is broken, please don't report bugs against CVS!!!! revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater you around? Action: revDeke is doing some python stuff and am really rusty and forgot my python book in and out i think i have an easy question as pertains to syntax dealing w/mass user hysteria this morning :) im trying to pass command line 'list/dict' of files so say myprog.py ['foo.txt', 'bar.txt','fred.txt'] which seems to work ok then loop through that and do open(file) so for file in file_list: try: file_output = open(file) except: print "goat rapist" which works fine but really i need file_output to be a dict/list i tried file_output[] = open(file) file_output = [] .... doh file_output.append(open(file)) thanks np gack it solved the initial problem but i think i have some other issue :) why the ['foo.txt', ....] syntax on command line? it doesnt treat my command line like a list :) Action: jcater thinks what you want to do is: jcater: i didnt want to 'hard code' the file names import sys file_output = [] and files dont exist yet who's reporting bugs against cvs? dammit ppl stop interrupting my code listing import sys file_output = [] for file in sys.argv[1:]: try: file_output.append(open(file)) except: pass ... then you call it myprog.py file1.txt file2.txt file3.txt Action: chillywilly gives jcater a happy pill not quite so simple btw, if these are WRITABLE files, and not reading files, it has input and output files you need to do open(file,'w') where you have input and output, eh? filetoconvert and converted file as parameters and its not a one to one thing sometimes its 1 input and 3 output (as is the case right now) sometimes its 1000 input and 1 output (as is the case when i originally wrote) so how were you thinking of calling it? on input files i made it smart enough to glob things so i could say check_negatives.exe *.txt alldept.txt i planned on calling you could always do something like mihsload.exe hractual.txt ['deductions.txt','employee.txt','paytype.txt'] check_negavitves input1 input2 -- output1 output2 i.e., the -- signals the end of input and beginning of output part of the problem is i do a lot of programs like this that would be easy to implement and trying to consolidate them down for reuse as i go ulitmately this should be exactly what i need integrator so desperately for problem is these things come up and have to be done in like 3 hours so dont have time for 'proper' workings luckly they come up often enough the process has been refined a bit though reuse jcater: why are you experiencing user hysteria? revDeke: import sys inputs = [] outputs = [] doing_inputs = 1 for file in sys.argv[1:] if file == '--': doing_inputs = not doing_inputs