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<Vee2d2> hmm bed
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<Vee2d2> hmm coffee
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<Arturas> Hello
<Vee2d2> hero
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<derek> jamest: 
<derek> HELLO!
<Vee2d2> heh
<jamest> hello
Action: derek was worried you didnt put on your tinfoil hat over the holiday
<derek> and perhaps were abducted
<jamest> sick
<jamest> very very sick
<jamest> still not recovered
<jamest> but good enough to be back at work 
<derek> ouchie
<jamest> not sure which is worse :)
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<Vee2d2> donuts for all, jcater has arrived!
<jcater> who's buying?
<Vee2d2> hmm
<Vee2d2> they were just laying there on the sidewalk.. didnt relize they were for sale..
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<jcater> lol
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<chillywilly> man I am getting a crappy connection the the debian servers
<chillywilly> 24.5kB/s :(
<chillywilly> yeek 3kB/s
<chillywilly> heh, my kde apt lines server was a lot faster
<chillywilly> man this blows
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<dsmith> Brain Freeze!  What's Darth Vaders name as a boy?  I can't remember!
<ajmitch> lol
<ajmitch> anakin :P
<dsmith> Yes!
<dsmith> Thanks
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<Vee2d2> topsew.com/see/gnue
<Vee2d2> I should scale that puppy down.. it's pretty bigly..
<jcater> I love that goat logo :)
<Vee2d2> that's a little better.. 
<Vee2d2> sorry if any of you hit it before I scaled it
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> it was a tad bit big
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<revDeke> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,4248,899456,00.asp
<revDeke> is just scary
<revDeke> Vee2d2: i cant see the logo you posted :(
<revDeke> is it gone?
<jcater> revDeke: I had to use mozilla to see it
<Vee2d2> http://www.topsew.com/see/gnue/gnue.goat.emb.png
<revDeke> whoa!
<revDeke> is that on clothes
<revDeke> i think we found a new logo man
<revDeke> it is too rough for print (looks like cloth), but i love the red goat symbol
<Vee2d2> I was just playing w/it.. that was an initial run
<revDeke> it is simple and elegant
<Vee2d2> it's jcater's art
<jcater> revDeke: his image is from a vector source file
<jcater> so it could scale to the size of the empire state building if you needed it to
<Vee2d2> the art could.. not the embroidery.. =)
<chillywilly> hehe
<jcater> why not?
<jcater> you don't do large scale clothing?
<jcater> I'd like to order a GNUe T-Shirt
<jcater> that the Statue of Liberty
<jcater> could wear
<chillywilly> HEH
<Vee2d2> I'm just saying it would require a new design.. the emb format doest scale well
<jcater> (ya know, after all these donuts, I might need one)
<Vee2d2> =)
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<revDeke> jcater: i almost said something along lines of jcater needs the "empire" size, but thought you might add i needed the chrysler building size so kept my mouth shut
<revDeke> i remember the logo from before when jcater posted
<revDeke> but i think it wsa black and white
<revDeke> it didnt 'pop' like it does now
<revDeke> thinking about it though i like it a lot
<revDeke> and basically it could be any color it nees to fit in
<revDeke> coudl be used with or without text
<revDeke> text can easily go on right side or bottom and still look nice
Action: revDeke motions we adopt it :)
<Vee2d2> yea... I thought about making the GNU red white & blue.. =)
<jcater> revDeke: typically you start out w/a b&w to get the idea down
<jcater> I didn't realize you didn't know that
<jcater> sorry
<revDeke> im an idiot
Action: revDeke apologizes
<revDeke> seeing it more 3d w/ color made a big difference
<revDeke> i liked the original but had a hard time seeing it 'pop'
<revDeke> what would be very cool would be a translucent raised red version
<revDeke> like the aqua buttons
<revDeke> kind of like if you go to http://www.gnome.org
<revDeke> and the foot logo there
<revDeke> that clear 'glass' look
Action: revDeke doesnt like the gnome logo, just the glass effect
<revDeke> but i like the image as its easy to represent in many ways yet still hold the "brand"
<revDeke> i.e you can change colors and gussy it up with neat effects but ultimately it pretty much looks the same :)
<chillywilly> why didn't konq render the logos?
<Vee2d2> this is the year of the goat too, btw.
<revDeke> really
<chillywilly> lol
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> we need to capitalize on that
<chillywilly> that rocks
<revDeke> well we better get cracking
<Vee2d2> css probably, chillywilly
Action: revDeke will need to get that booth in SF this year
<revDeke> and do some 'Year of the Goat' marketing ;)
<revDeke> hmmm feb 1st was first day in year of the goat
<revDeke> so Vee2d2 you own topsew or just work there?
<Vee2d2> own
<revDeke> you have plans for gnue
<revDeke> short or long term
<revDeke> and can we help
<revDeke> we DESPERATELY need to get a solution in place using gnue
<revDeke> with someone who is patient and looking to put some work into it 
<revDeke> ToyMan: that offer goes for you too :)
<Vee2d2> that's why I'm here.. =)
<revDeke> i think the girls are having a sleepover so i will be banished to my office tonight
<revDeke> i hope to get moving on gnue-sb again
<revDeke> will you be around tonight?
<Vee2d2> I'm always around
<revDeke> or you have a little time now
<Vee2d2> I was wondering.. might you have some notes or something for what you have in mind for gnue-sb?
Action: chillywilly is gonna practice guitar at 7 tonight with the worship team
<chillywilly> revDeke: still playing guitar?
<revDeke> chillywilly: yeah not much anymore though, they took the winter off for offerring classes... they just started back up in feb.  first class was last week
<revDeke> Vee2d2: unfortunately i dont
<revDeke> the general gist of it is this
<revDeke> what a small business needs to operate done in gnue two tier
<revDeke> i would imagine a quickbooks replacement with more funcationality
<revDeke> original needs were for someone else
<revDeke> at had start in inventory/warehouse management
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<revDeke> the other need was contact management
<revDeke> thats why you see contact manager and item stuff in gnue-sb today
<revDeke> we were going to try to 'port' NOLA to gnue-sb
<revDeke> for accounting as a start, though im not as convinced on that now, but its still possible
<revDeke> i dont want to build for buildings sake
<revDeke> i want requirements from someone who plans on using it
<revDeke> having hard time finding someone who doesnt want something like yesterday
<revDeke> i.e. willing to go through a development process
<revDeke> or who is willing to go through a development process and actually willling to commit time
<revDeke> i.e. we have had like 10 opportunities at this with different people and we usually get one of two things happening
<revDeke> 1. We dont do this full time so a solution wont be ready in 2 weeks.  So they go elsewhere.  
<revDeke> 2. They don't have any time to put towards letting us know their needs so we can make something for thme.
Action: revDeke is not criticizing either reason, they just exist
<Vee2d2> ok.. I gotta feed baby, but I'll be back in a bit
<revDeke> seems like you are in here a lot and are not afraid to give feed back so im going to say you probably dont have the issue of #2
<revDeke> i dont know if you have something you use now or not so if there is motivation or if you need solution yesterday :)
Action: revDeke waits patiently, might have to come back in a few
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<revDeke> anyone know who this is ? http://www.neoxen.com/tech_gnu.htm
<chillywilly> wtf?
<chillywilly> nope
<jcater> based out of finland
Action: jcater has never heard of them
<jcater> that doesn't mean much though
<chillywilly> seems they have their own framework
<revDeke> what is funny is i read neoxen as neo oxen
<revDeke> or new oxen which one could call new GNU 
<revDeke> i thought maybe it was jonas, but he isnt in finland iirc he is in sweden
<chillywilly> doesn't seem like Free software either
<chillywilly> well they have  alot of marketgin pizzazz going for them
<chillywilly> oh well it's non-free
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<Vee2d2> ok.. both kids are nappin, well.. I hear one singing but hopefully she's singing herself to sleep.. 
<chillywilly> heheh
<revDeke> rofl
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<revDeke> Vee2d2: you got time or you still have a singer?
Action: chillywilly is hungry
<Vee2d2> As for my needs, I want it all.. eventually. I am, and have been keeping my stuff in spreadsheets and word processor docs.. it works, barely.. It's really a duplication of efforts at that, since I send copies of the sheets to my father who then inputs the data into quickbooks to churn out whatever he hands to the cpa to cut our taxes. What I would like right of the bat is to manage products as I think once I have my 
<Vee2d2> then work on the things I need to purchase, quote, sell, and invoice 'em.. 
<revDeke> so managing inventory products is first on the list?
<revDeke> if so that fits PERFECT with where gnue-sb is today
<ajmitch> really|?
Action: revDeke still thinks accounting will be a ways off
<Vee2d2> I figured it was as good a start as any
Action: ajmitch didn't realise gnue-sb had working inventory stuff
<revDeke> i.e. i expect it to grow quickly but basically just create 'journal dumps'
<revDeke> for a quickbooks, peach tree or the likes
<revDeke> i.e. let something else hand general ledger for tax purposes until we build up to it
Action: revDeke is gung ho
Action: ajmitch asks derek - does gnue-sb have working inventory stuff?
<revDeke> if you are willing to give it a shot i would like you to be the first gnue-sb 'customer'
<revDeke> ajmitch : kind of
<ajmitch> hmmf
<revDeke> it has working 'product management'
<revDeke> not inventory
<ajmitch> ok
<revDeke> but inventory is only a step behind as 80% of inventory is products :)
Action: ajmitch has yet to finish off this inventory app
<ajmitch> right
<revDeke> Vee2d2: do you have gnue installed and are you interested?
<ajmitch> you have committed all that to cvs?
<revDeke> if so can you get latest copy of cvs and check it out
<revDeke> i can come back in a few hours and see what you want next
<revDeke> we can create a quick plan (roadmap)
<revDeke> and i can start tonight
<revDeke> maybe by end of the night we can have something that will suffice for product management?
Action: ajmitch sees very little action on gnue-sb cvs this year
<revDeke> and if you have products in spreadsheets maybe we can convert the data ?
Action: revDeke hangs his head in shame re: gnue-sb cvs
Action: ajmitch has a big csv file full of products, exported from myob
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<Vee2d2> oh, I've been playing with it. I've been modifying things to more suit how my SKU's are setup.. family.mfg.mfgmodel#crossreference.color.size I have a form to populate/manipulate the families and mfgs.. I even made some .gsd's for the schema which.. I think is where I left off. I remember wrestling with just how the schema should be laid out, what should be where.. I need to read over my notes and files and see what 
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<Vee2d2> howdy ToyMan
<ToyMan> howdy
<ToyMan> i'm with derek on the working solution for gnue thing
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<ToyMan> almost ready to be the bleeding edge poster-child
<ToyMan> doing bayonne on the phone system now
<Vee2d2> is dstoys your main deal?
<ToyMan> yup
<ToyMan> that's enough ;-)
<Vee2d2> neat. So do you have a store front, too?
<ToyMan> www.dstoys.com
<ToyMan> dstoys.org is the back end for the community
<ToyMan> just built and moved to a new factory
<Vee2d2> nice, I didnt relize you were making these. I thought it was a buy and resale operation
<revDeke> Vee2d2: so you wanting to forge solution on your own
<revDeke> or be gnue-sb posterboy
<Vee2d2> can I be both? =)
<revDeke> ToyMan: you almost ready to poster boy it too
<revDeke> Vee2d2: yes
<revDeke> give or take some
<revDeke> that is things need to be done generically, but should be suitable to your needs (thats a plus of going first) ;)
<Vee2d2> exactly.. 
Action: revDeke is seriously ready to start bolting some stuff up tonight
<Vee2d2> which is why I was asking if you had some sort of notes or something with the big picture in it.. =)
<revDeke> did you do fsf assignment?
<Vee2d2> yes
<Vee2d2> I got my signed copy back
<revDeke> i would like to work with you (and stu) to roadmap gnue-sb
<revDeke> especially short term plans and get cooking
<revDeke> i had planned tonight to do the SKU categories thing
<revDeke> i.e. the do thigns by category to 'build a SKU'
<revDeke> in the item management stuff
<revDeke> but sounds like perhaps you already have some of that?
<revDeke> woudl hate to redo the work
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<Vee2d2> ToyMan: how are your products organized?
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<ToyMan> organized? you mean on the site?
<Vee2d2> I mean, how do you identify them?
<ToyMan> or within the inventory system
<ToyMan> local or on the web?
<Vee2d2> right
<Vee2d2> local
<Vee2d2> you do a real good job abstracting it from the customer.. =)
<ToyMan> I use a free-form product code
<ToyMan> we use admin controls to keep them consistent
<ToyMan> PC.size.color.style
<ToyMan> 2.3.3.x spaces
<ToyMan> PC 2 spaces
<ToyMan> size - 3 spaces
<ToyMan> and so on
<ToyMan> the Design Science products on the web follow that convention
<ToyMan> for distributing other manuf. products we prefix with MC - 2 letter manuf. code
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<ToyMan> so MC.PC.size.color.style
<Vee2d2> that's an interesting way to do it
<ToyMan> it makes it easy to sort on reports
<ToyMan> and factory line workers can understand that certain kinds of info always lives in the same place in the code
<ToyMan> and getting your line workers into the program is 90% of inventory control IMHO
<Vee2d2> yep
<ToyMan> so, do you do manufacturing?
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<Vee2d2> I do embroidery, but I worked for a mfg'r for 14+ years so I can respect all that it entails.. 
<ToyMan> cool
<ToyMan> what sort of embroidery?
<Vee2d2> my niche is doing company logos but we do some of the smaller work too
<Vee2d2> a neighbor has me monograming stuff all the time
<ToyMan> ooh.  I might have you do some logos for us some time..
<Vee2d2> we can do it. =)
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<derek> way more company came over
<derek> Vee2d2: you still burning down the house
<derek> er lighting the grill
<dtm> derek.
<dtm> what it is
<dtm> ?!
<dtm> hey derek.  i had the idea of simulating roles by making projects with no deadlines.
<dtm> so we can have departments or job titles in DCL
<dtm> so you can look at what the Sales dept is doing today
<derek> sounds utterly evil to me
<derek> but nothing will stop you
<derek> im of mind of if it fixes your needs do it ;)
<dtm> and you can also make a 'contacts' Project.  regardless of where your contact data is stored (gonna hafta be in Addressbook for me, until DCL contact mgmt is ready), you can note and plan their status
<dtm> <turns the negative hyperbole level down a few notches>  what's evil about it?
<dtm> a role is literally a project with no deadline.
<dtm> then inside that role you have task oriented projects.
<derek> grrr anhyone know anything about esd sound?
<derek> and gnome
<derek> i setup sound server so could get email notifciation by sound
<derek> works fine
<derek> nephew came over and logged out wife
<derek> logged in himself and no sound :(
<derek> he is in audio group
<derek> and could use soundcard before
Action: derek is thoroughly confused
<Vee2d2> back, buy feeding baby right now.. will be back for the night in a few..
<Vee2d2> sounds like maybe the game or whatever the nephew wants sound from might be trying to talk directly to oss or whatever and esd has conrol of the device(s).. 
<Vee2d2> which the short term solution might be to kill esd and try.. the fix is to make the app use esd
<derek> nope esd isnt running and it should be
<derek> if i try esd from command line as him
<derek> i get
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<dneighbo> dneighbo@aegagrus:/etc$ esd
<dneighbo> esd: Failed to fix owner of /tmp/.esd.
<dneighbo> Try -trust to force esd to start.
<dneighbo> esd: Esound sound daemon unable to create unix domain socket:
<dneighbo> /tmp/.esd/socket
<dneighbo> The socket is not accessible by esd.
<dneighbo> Exiting...
<dneighbo> dneighbo@aegagrus:/etc$ 
<Vee2d2> ahh. interesting
<Vee2d2> I dont run into such issues as I'm the only user
<chillywilly> sup fewls
<Vee2d2> heya chillywilly
<chillywilly> shoot I gotta see when farscape comes back on
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<Vee2d2> it was a good episode
<chillywilly> cool
<chillywilly> btw, I hate threads ;:P
<chillywilly> threads are the devil!
<havoc> chillywilly: you need to get a VCR :)
<dtm> dneighbo: so derek, what exactly do you not like about using Projects as roles and as contacts?
<Vee2d2> repeats in T-75minutes
<chillywilly> havoc: there are several down here
<dtm> dneighbo: i need perspective here if you dont mind
<havoc> chillywilly: then use them :)
<chillywilly> havoc: but mainly I slurp FS eps off of a certain IRC server/channel
<dtm> dneighbo: i mean, as contact planning, not as contact storage
<dneighbo> give me minute
<dneighbo> beating snot out of different pc
<chillywilly> havoc: none of them are hooked up
<dneighbo> i think i found issue
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<dneighbo> someone (like tucker maybe....) logged wife out without killing xmms
<dneighbo> and it left a /tmp/.esd/socket file
<chillywilly> irc.irc-chat.net #farscape-central, dewd
<chillywilly> *slurp*
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<chillywilly> Vee2d2: gonna watch SG1 too :)
<chillywilly> havoc: I have the last 2 eps on my HD (not including this one)
<havoc> ah
<dtm> derek: i made a "contact" attribute set, consisting of Uncontacted (open), Can't Reach (deferred), Needs Followup (open).
<dtm> derek: i'm not sure what else to put, because I haven't any experience with good contact management
<dtm> man i even went to act.com last night to look up their feature sets.  i actually learned a tiny smattering.
<dtm> about integration between contacts and relevant files such as invoices and quotes.
<dtm> of course they achieve that by having a built-in word processor and email client, or integrating with M$-only garbage.
<dtm> so I think we'll hafta have an ACL compatibility shim between phpgwapi, dcl, and whatever.
<chillywilly> I need a coke
Action: dtm gives chillywilly a poke
<dtm> oh i misunderstood.  my bad.
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<chillywilly> see another frelling netsplit
<chillywilly> that's at least one every day
<chillywilly> for the last 5 days or so
<chillywilly> time to grill lilo ;)
<Vee2d2> there's been some pretty rough routes out there.. I couldnt get into my server this morning
<chillywilly> yea, but he was claiming that I was exaggerating and I have proof man
<chillywilly> a netsplit every day on freenode isn't the same freenode ;)
<Vee2d2> I guess efnet is still plagued by massive splits every few minutes? I havent been there in a long long time..
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<chillywilly> w00t, new farscape!
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<dtm> the point is that netsplits shouldn't be user-visible, and aren't, on some irc networks that are extremely larger, more complex, and more populous
<dtm> shouldn't be user-visible any more than any other type of service failover
<dtm> or fault tolerance
<derek> dtm: what i dont like about it is that it is a hack that cripples you later in life
<derek> BUT 
<derek> as i stated if it fixes your problems go for it :)
<derek> Vee2d2: you get those squirts in bed yet :)
<dtm> derek: so how would it cripple later?  just gimme a context
<derek> um
<dtm> derek: it's a huge win compared to nothing, right?
<derek> you cant use projects if you scavenge it for something else
<derek> today you might not care, but tomorrow you might
<dtm> if you scavenge what for whta else?
<Vee2d2> I'm holding the lil one 'gain.. =(
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<derek> Vee2d2: i need you to setup a savannah account
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<derek> and let me know what your id is there
<derek> i will add you to the gnue-sb project
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<derek> also if you upload your keys to savannah you will then have cvs access
<derek> im gonna get my contacts out and put glasses on, and get settled in for some hacking
<derek> hopefully the little one will get down for bed quickly :)
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Action: chillywilly notes HE doesn't get added to anything as cool as gnue-sb :'(
<chillywilly> hmmm, no updates for gnue-sb
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> derek: what's taking so long?!?
<chillywilly> :P
<derek> i promised to commit exact same amount as you ;)
<Vee2d2> Account #13596
<Vee2d2>     Your login is Vee2d2.
<Vee2d2>     You are member since 2002-Dec-09 23:33.
<derek> Vee2d2: you have access to gnue-sb now
<derek> please note the mailing lists are still borked :(
<derek> i have emailed savannah-hackers
<derek> hopefully they will fix ASAP
<derek> as it makes me nervous not ahving a commit list
Action: derek looks around for Vee2d2 before i start dorking stuff up ;)
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ gnue-forms --version
<derek> GNUe Forms
<derek> Version 0.4.0
<derek> GNUe Common Version 0.4.0
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ 
<derek> ouch
Action: derek wonders if we have 0.4.3 debian packages or not
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<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ dpkg --list |grep gnue
<derek> ii  gnue-common    0.4.1.99-20021 The shared library for many items of the GNU
<derek> ii  gnue-designer  0.4.1.99-20021 A Rapid Application Development tool for GNU
<derek> ii  gnue-forms-wxg 0.4.1.99-20021 An XML-based forms painter
<derek> ii  gnue-reports   0.1.0.99-20021 An XML-based output-independent reporting sy
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ 
<derek> hmmmm
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<Vee2d2> ohhhh kay! 
<Vee2d2> she kept almost passing out then would stretch her hand up and rub my chin and giggle because of the stubble.. 
<derek> so you here?
<Vee2d2> yep
<derek> or busy wiping baby barf up :)
<jcater> that's a lovely thought
<derek> ok lets start with where you want to go
<derek> or do you want me to tell you what is up with gnue-sb
<derek> and kind of where its at
<Vee2d2> attempting to figure out how to create a gpg key.. =)
<derek> gpg?
<derek> or ssh?
<derek> ssh key is whatyou need for cvs access
<derek> login to savannah and go to 
<derek> https://savannah.gnu.org/account/
<Vee2d2> oh ok.. =) I just saw on the account page a place to paste a gpg key and assumed that's what you meant.. I see it now
<Vee2d2> =/
<derek> er so go here
<derek> https://savannah.gnu.org/account/editsshkeys.php
<derek> warning they use ssh 1
<derek> dont even ask why
<derek> but its important or you will be really frustrated why things dont work if you dont edit config files to note this :)
<Vee2d2> ...to what you were saying, I'm up for hearing 'what is up with gnue-sb'.. 
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<derek> ok here is the general overview
<derek> we were going to do work for a small manufacturer that was in a bad pinch
<derek> we couldnt wait for appserver and 'official submission' processes
<derek> so we made a gnue-sb
<derek> that would be less 'controlled' but quicker to build with 2 tier only no appserver
<derek> the original needs were item management
<derek> and inventory
<derek> as the upfront need was warehouse management
<derek> basically everything after the order was taken
<derek> i.e. they were using paypal and online store to get orders
<derek> they wanted to dump an order into system
<derek> and basically have pick lists created from it for the warehouse
<derek> bundle ship
<derek> and have all shipping labels etc printed
<derek> once the backend was working, redo shopping cart side as well as add invoicing and other things
<derek> this is of course a light speed overview
<derek> anyhow they got impatient and have now gone through about 4 off the shelf products and still searching
<derek> the item basics are there (though the sku category stuff needs to be added)
<derek> it wouldnt be too hard to get basic inventory secondarily
<derek> IDEALLY gnue-sb will be perfect for people that use paper today
<derek> as the transition can be slow and they can use immediately
<derek> even if functionality is more minimal
<derek> one problem you run into 'starting' is people not wanting to 'use' something until it has EVERY feature
<derek> but its hard to get features when no one will use it :)
<derek> im REALLY hoping that you might be in a position to start using a piece at a time
<derek> for example if we got it so just all your products(items) were able to be entered that is a huge start
<derek> and if nothing else you can query your product line
<derek> and run reports on what products you have to offer
<derek> but then we can bring inventory online or ordering or shipping
<derek> etc
<Vee2d2> that's my plan
<derek> if that makes sense
<derek> so say you get products
<derek> and then get customers or vendors
<derek> you can use them even if you are still doing invoices in word or whatever
<derek> i suspect if you use this you will be amazed at progress
<derek> as two things will happen
<derek> 1. framework development will increase as jcater and jamest respond to 'production problems' really quickly as they can relate, plus its encouraging for them to see it in production
<derek> 2. putting something in production gets features and bugs fixed quickly :) as motivation all around is bumped exponentionally ;)
Action: derek will let you comment while i refill my drink
<jcater> 1a. we take patches too :)
<jcater> 2a. we take patches too :)
<derek> and hopefully we can lay out a 'quick' roadmap
<Vee2d2> right
<derek> jcater: ticket #XXXX GNUe XXXX does YYYY and crashes - that counts as a patch right?
<jcater> you're doing invoices in word?
<Vee2d2> no, oowriter.. =)
<jcater> do you have the data in databases already?
<Vee2d2> which your comment about reports and rtf files triggered some good emotions.. 
<Vee2d2> unfortunately not. 
<jcater> 'cause you know we can do merges between word/oo documents and database data
<jcater> bummer
<jcater>  jamest and I both extensively use that feature
<jcater> my users can edit their basic documents in word/oo, and save to a "public" drive
<jcater> so I don't have to keep modifying their reports for them :)
<derek> jcater: my thoughts are this
<derek> we get his products in db
<derek> and get him using the contact manager
<derek> and he can at least 'fudge' invoices for a small while
<derek> until we get an order screen up (real quick)
<derek> and have it make openoffice invoices with reports
<derek> Vee2d2: i really think within 2 or 3 weeks we can get you doing invoices in gnue
<derek> if you are willing to start simple and grow with it
<Vee2d2> I agree.. 
Action: derek has to get that drink give me your comments
<Vee2d2> and that's where we are now.. 
<Vee2d2> I must be tired.. I just typed out a bunch of stuff that was in fact incorrect.. =) 
<Vee2d2> for some reason I was thinking I might need to reference a vendor table from the sku, I was thinking about the mfg portion of my sku (family.mfg.crossref-to-mfg#.color.size) but mfg != vendor.. =)
<Vee2d2> when I was playing around.. the forms for setting up the family table and mfg table were straight forward.. simple lookup tables.. 
<derek> what i was thinking was giving 5 or 6 elements to a sku
<Vee2d2> the cross reference table is a little meatier
<derek> i.e. 5 or 6 lookup tables
<derek> totally generic
<derek> each having a 
<derek> code and desc
<derek> hmmm
<derek> damn practical problem
<derek> perfect world i would do 6 tables
<derek> each with code adn descrip
<derek> where code was 4 char 
<derek> so you could have a 24 digit number if you wanted (a little long for my liking)
<derek> or you could only use 1
<derek> actually i guess it doesnt matter
<derek> because we wernt going to have 'hard' numbers
<derek> we were going to have built numbers to i think it will work
<derek> here is what im thinking
<derek> you have 6 tables with codes that are up to 4 long
<derek> but you dont need to use 4
<derek> you could use 1 
<derek> or 2
<derek> so if i used 2 spaces in each code
<derek> i could have six 'elements' and a 12 digit sku
<derek> anyhow it would likely pad
<derek> 10
<derek> as
<derek> 0010
<derek> but when you do the 'build' a sku
<derek> you could flag strip leading zeros
<derek> is that making sense?
<derek> or i suppose there is no need to zero pad
<derek> as the categories technically dont make a 'string'
<derek> the sku is the string 
Action: derek keeps thinking of accounting string and forgets the goal
<Vee2d2> the SKU itself will be a 'dumb' number to the rest of the system, right?
Action: derek hopes i understand the goal
<derek> Vee2d2: exactly
<derek> you can tie a sku to the six tables for 'reporting'
<derek> like stu said he prefixed things for 'reporting'
<derek> that wouldnt need to occur as the sku could be tied to a category table
<derek> im thinking something like
<derek> sku_category
<dtm> derek: so how would my idea of using Projects to schedule contacts and to organize roles, be a bad idea later on?
<derek> sku_class
<derek> sku_type
<derek> or something
<derek> sku_group
Action: derek doesnt like those names
<derek> but im leary to put
<derek> sku_color
<derek> sku_manufacturer
<Vee2d2> right
<Vee2d2> it needs to be dumbed down..
<derek> sku_size
<derek> sku_family
<derek> BUT
<derek> maybe thats not a bad idea
<derek> if we can cover your and stu's and 2 other manufactures i know in like 4 tables
<derek> or 5
<derek> then we can make a 
<derek> sku_misc_category
<derek> sku_misc_category2
Action: derek wants it to be meaningful to a degree
<derek> as if everyone in the world says 
<Vee2d2> I kinda like the idea of a wizard that you use to define just how the sku is setup.. 
<derek> one of the categories is manufacturer
<derek> then its silly to call it sku_type
<derek> as everyone will ask 'whats that' :)
Action: derek is thinking it will not so much be a wizard
<derek> but a screen where you pick from drop downs the six categories (or as many as you use)
<derek> and have option to 'push' a creat sku button
<derek> that creates consistently named sku's
<derek> but someone could key sku's that had nothing to do with the hierarchy yet still use it
<derek> does that sound reasonable?
<Vee2d2> I dunno.. 
<derek> Vee2d2: the biggest problem i see with a wizard approach is it might too much into old school extensible approach
<derek> where customizations are all entries in tables
<derek> which makes it easy to add some stuff but makes it an utter bitch to get data out
<derek> as well as a pain to make ui's
<derek> but you are the user so i want to hear from you ":)
<Vee2d2> I'm sorta reading over my notes still..
<Vee2d2> hmm
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