I was looking at your project.. Im interested in a enterprise system admin type of system, like infrastructures.org, ... tired of doing sysadmin. Action: derek is looking i suspect gnu enterprise wont do what you want I'm not sure what I am looking for really.. yea.. but your stuff looks cool too. LTSP is similar to what that site wants and we have some cool LTSP setups using gnue i.e gnue can 'work' in an environemnt like that well it just doesnt 'build' it its database applications opposed to system administration applications Yea, sounds like it. at least as a management tool.. LTSP is limited on the server side though. dsmith: or mryou or someone had interest in stuff like what you are talking about dont know what he was using or plotting though http://66.28.69.144/data/nids/CLE19_0.gif?t=1045979767 See those bits of red in that county in the center that looks like stairs? That's where I am. :) derek: im here. http://radar.wunderground.com/data/nids/GRK19_anim.gif dsmith: you near cleveland? derek: Yes. Hinckley derek: Probably mryou hmmm xai i know a few folks in austin area i think Vee2d2 might not be too far from you well, its a lot colder up there, im glad im here though.. not if he's in cleveland.. =) Action: Vee2d2 is in the Fort Worth/Dallas area of Texas Vee2d2: xai is in austin ahh, still quite a walk from here. jcater's in-laws are down there I think. yea, its just a 4 hour drive by car. Whats happening with the accounting side of gnue? im really sick of peachtree.. Clients are still using some very sick proprietary stuff. I have a freind who's raising goats in Adina xai: you do consulting? I have friend who is raising some blisters in albuquerque :) hehe Vee2d2: yea.. linux training & admin cool fortuitous.com site is kinda dry, but i dont have time to make it dynamic do you guys know any people from gnucash? I know Linas Vepstas. seems like gnucash is too complicated.. too many languages in it. that's pretty cool xai, do you keep pretty busy at it? well, im rambling again.. yea, last year was slow towards the end.. I usually very busy, but not always with paying work. you going about it alone? Vee2d2: working on developeing stuff. i better go.. see you guys tommorrow.. good luck you bee arround tommorrow? always =) xai: i know linas, bill, dave and a few others from gnucash ok.. see you soon :) derek: cool.. basically all of them that worked at gnumatic Nick change: xai -> xai_siesta Action: Vee2d2 readies more shirts cool, see you soon.. i'd like to chat with you about that stuff. xai_siesta: I know Rob Browning, he added Guile Scheme to gnucash. Action: derek is away: nightie night nite derek dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Action: Vee2d2 dances dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. herrow. heya dtm Vee2d2: hey howya dewin swell, how's things? oh ok. hungry! time for pizza! pizza time's a good time.. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. heya psu good morning reinhard (~reinhard@M701P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M701P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "War is never a solution." dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2: yeah i ended up having Chef Boyardee and not pizza though :/ ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-205-41.glv.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all reinhard (~reinhard@M701P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (~neilt@ip68-105-182-97.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: dsmith -> ds|shower jere (~jere@ua6d33hel.dial.kolumbus.fi) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jere jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ds|shower -> ds|church Nick change: derek -> dn|shower Nick change: dn|shower -> derek psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hello psu: you so kick butt huh? Action: derek felt bad sending you so many tickets for website but i figured you preferred tickets to me trying to fix it and really messing it up :) well, 1/2 were for things I'd already done, which always makes me look speedy in responding ;-) main immediate problem now is to get rid of the rubbish on the downloads pages which means me getting my def filelist () function working rofl i will have some stuff for new help page i.e. typos and such Action: psu is still really taking baby steps in python is the site in cvs yet? i.e. can i download and just fix the typos and commit? rather than bother you derek: yes. check-out instructions are on savannah ;-) cool and that updates ash as well? Action: derek thinks its pretty cool we finally have it working on gnu.org you are quite the hero derek: not at the moment. re ash update so how do we update ash erm I need to get a cron job sorted to automate my current manual process you email psu which is basically cp -r * /var/www/ i would think we could make cvs anon checkout in /var/www on ash ah then have it cvs up every so often so it happens just not automagically there's also a very small "patch" to the website for ash as the front page redirect in CVS goes to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/project/what.html whereas the ash version needs to go to http://www.gnuenterprise.org/project/what.html unless, of course, we actually *want* to leech all our traffic onto FSF... I think "best form" for announcements etc for now is to always list both addresses e.g. "See the announcement of our new foobulations at i dont think we want to leech per say as one thing this provides us is a 'mirror' so its nice to have it self contained this will be important next month when the gnue servers are all moved http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/news/foo.html or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/news/foo.html" as i suspect we will have a minor amount of downtime (day or so) at a minimum Once we get to the stage of having multiple GNUe consultancy firms, one way they would be expected to contrib back to community Action: derek is away: church would be to host a gnuenterprise web site mirror and we can have a "mirror select" dropdown or something on the front page like debian Of course, this presupposes multiple GNUe consultancy firms but I always believe in planning for sucess ;-) dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" neilt (~neilt@ip68-105-182-97.nv.nv.cox.net) left irc: "Be back later" Scape29 (~Scape29@10.Red-80-33-22.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ixnay (~chatzilla@pD9054159.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hu? Nick change: ixnay -> lupo anyone here? silly question well ... =) you're right i just wanted to know what new things have been commited to cvs in the last 4 weeks because i'm on a slow line and want to make sure it's worth the time (cvs head of course)\ cvs head is broken it's unusable in it's current state well, at least forms/designer are broken but it works for me, partially Nick change: xai_siesta -> xai no, i commited new ui stuff in last month ah qt? jcater commited that last nite cool but it's all broken i wanna see that crash lol i'm longing for it all forms are broken as I've migrating all popup dialogs into .gfd files sorta and I got sick last week and couldn't complete, won't get back to it till next week why does that break all forms? because about box, jump to record box, error bos no longer work oh now i see what you mean even the login box is getting converted but for now the wx one at least works (for testing other changes :) you mean forms itself runs in some respect like a form no, I'm adding support into forms which is the equivalant of
ah which means now can nest you'll be able to create custom prompts for your users and call them via triggers you're a crazy pervert and you have my deepest respect for nested forms which is indeed a great accomplishment it also allows us to get rid of the per ui driver popup boxes (like about) have you taken the idea from mozilla, to some extent? nope this is just an extension of what forms already was i haven't looked to deep into forms code s/to/too/ as for the qt driver I know jcater is hard at work on it he's got 2 days into it and has the forms displaying (i think) but the event model is still foo'd still the old probs? grrrr ? no, he hasn't converted it to qt yet i mean win32 wx not catching certain events etc. no, no or did you mean specifially for the qt ui driver? yes ah mkay :) it's not handling events yet I believe but very basic forms work, which is already excellent work thanks jcater! they display if that == work for you then good :) no modification, you mean? w/o the event system in place I don't see how but I haven't looked at the qt driver yet okay other topic any progress on navigator? ooooo, it may have broke too :) i didn't test it w/ the ui changes :) is that progress? progress allows for a very stretchable interpretation :) is there any facility for RBAC in navigator, as announced on the web site? not at this time have there been any thoughts on how to implement that? none by me can't speak for others reinhard (~reinhard@M701P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~reinhard@M701P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. do you think 0.5 will be ready by july? :) yes at least in prerelease :) haha because i thought about presenting it at linuxtag 2003 (biggest EU event on free software), perhaps together with reinhard trying to receive some attention and interest because, if forms works as specified in the tech docs, it's a gigantic weapon lupo: i'll be in crete at the time when linuxtag 2003 is :( awww what a pity well i'll have to think about it how to manage such a presentation delve into all the tools i'm a looser when it comes to reports apropos reports, somebody said something about postscript? ? i got to convince a customer to let me do his stuff with gnue tools, but he wants either php or asp *shudder* that's why i'm asking so many stoopid questions an interactive web site driven by gnue isn't really possible at this time you can use reports to generate pages it's not a web site but input via the web isn't possible with forms that is exactly my point it's a business integration tool not that extensive, but some nasty small extra-wishes for a web site, well use php if it makes you happy, but it ain't usable for anything more complex paqan (whaq@202.155.120.168) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-205-41.glv.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: ds|church -> dsmith bye lupo (~chatzilla@pD9054159.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-205-41.glv.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. 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'86 toyota pickup tried and true that aughtta be about broken in, I guess. well when the budget is $2,000 at most ian (ian@203.160.177.10) joined #gnuenterprise. you have to be picky :) hello.. again.. :) howdy Action: Vee2d2 says nothing to avoid running ian off.. how can i help...develop...GNUe...? :) what interests you about the project? i more interested in the supply chain..module.. brb... ian (ian@203.160.177.10) left irc: chillywilly: How did it go (you were all hot about playing somehting today)? ^python (ian@203.160.177.10) joined #gnuenterprise. <^python> hello.. <^python> :) do we read that as "not python" ? 'cause those are bold words around here :) [22:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). <^python> jcater...i have seen the web page of gnue <^python> i was interested of the concepts.. <^python> jcater r u one of the developers ? <^python> :) <^python> is there any workable...system in gnue? <^python> is there any workable...system (module) in gnue? <^python> which i would like to test..:) <^python> i have downloaded the common, appserv, designer, form and nav... <^python> where can i get the module like supply chain?:) is there any...:) which i could test?:) <^python> hello..??? sorry... I am on location at a remote office doing repair work so it's difficult to talk at the momenyt I am one of the core developers, yes there are no working modules yet <^python> jcater..ic..:) the underlying software is functional, but we have not started implementing actual modules <^python> ahh...ic...:) however I think we are very close to that point where the underlying tools are where they need to be so stick around we definitely need help with module writers <^python> jcater ...can i help..? <^python> :) (I am a tool writer, not a module writer) absolutely this is a volunteer-based project which means we need volunteers :) <^python> it okie...im more interest in supply chain... <^python> i have read the proposal..in supply chain.. <^python> :) <^python> what do i need to know more..to become a module writer... <^python> is there any documents i can read? <^python> :) well besides what's on the website, I'm not sure be on the lookout for reinhard he knows more about the "module" aspect of gnue than I he's in every day but is in Austria, so is asleep at the momeny moment <^python> ah..ok.. <^python> :) <^python> thnk a lot jcater.. <^python> do u have an email of reinhard? :) @gnue.org iirc you can email any questions, etc, to info@gnue.org he's on that list as are the other core developers not python that is heresy jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. derek: you have a schema for timeclock management? I am so sick of Qqest's software I am going to setup a serial line probe next week and reverse engineer their time clock then do gnue forms for the "software" part hmmm the damn thing is duplicating punches now every week it's something different i had an ok time clock all written in php jade recently replaced it with a wxpython solution that is quite nice but i dont access to the cvs readily anymore you can use contact manager as a start ;) in gnue-sb yeah and i will gladly add time and attendence to it for you I am spending another fscking sunday evening in Selmer working on their time clock Action: jcater_ isn't bitter... nope not one bit Action: jcater_ doesn't need anything complex like vacation/sick time tracking, etc just plain ol' time sheets Action: jcater_ guesses that would be easy to add to contact mgr jcater_ (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) got netsplit. 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Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port27.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. <^python> derek r u one of the core developer in gnue? he works on dcl and gnue-sb IIRC <^python> jamest what is gnue-sb gnue small biz i haven't looked at it myself it's using gnue to implement quick and dirty solutions for biz <^python> jamest...ahh..ic.. <^python> jamest...is there any prototype that we could test in gnue-sb? i don't know I'm only working on tools at this time and not looked at gnue-sb at all <^python> jamest...thanks.. sure no prob ^python: prototype like contact management should work in sb <^python> ra3vat how about supply chain? <^python> jamest... is gnue tool stable? dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. cvs head is not it's broken at the moment due to changes in it's ui sysmte ^python: sc is not yet implemented so forms/designer are not usable <^python> jamest what do u mean by head?:) <^python> jamest ...ic.. the main checkout in CVS <^python> jamest..ic.. the 0.4.x branches should be fine jamest: some of 0.5-prereleases should be fine though dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. and IIRC there is a pre-jamest-ui-muckup tag on head or something to that effect that has a still working version of what 0.5.0 will be <^python> jamest have u use gnue? ya i'm the old timer here lol i think james has "heard" of gnue before today :) nope, i didn't do it not me <^python> jamest..ic...in a production...situation.. yes forms/designer/reports reports and forms in daily use 0.4.x reports <^python> jamest... how about the appserv? that I do not use <^python> the navigator?:) daily use i want to play w/ the appserver soon but I'm needs driven and right now my needs revolve around reports/forms <^python> jamest..can i get ur opion?...i develop using (borland) delphi.. <^python> our company need needs an inventory system.. <^python> as i look at gnue.. i think there is a potential... <^python> for u..is it okie..that i would develop it in gnue? how do you like to deal w/ data? the tools are stongest in working w/ relational data <^python> so that i could help..gnue in a way..and ...help the company.. if you need item.updateCount() then i wouldn't do it in gnue until appserver is done dyfet: !!! dyfet: you're alive! lol <^python> jamest..how about objects..?:) dyfet: they'd told me that you'd perished in the hills.... frozen alive in the deep deep East!! dyfet: they said there were no survivors, the whole coast wiped out! ^python: gnue-sb has contact management and product managemetn inventory will be VERY quick behind ^python: derek is the man to blame gnue-sb on feel free to grill him and tell him to get his arse in gear i think it snowed...hmm...ive been busy hacking this week...let me crawl out of the basement, and look in the sunlight and see....:) sunlight?!? isn't it like midnight there? it did seem dark now that you mention it... dyfet: they said you were frozen solid from the waist down in a watery crevasse in the hills of NJ, while foraging for seal blubber for your young hey dave the land and water turned to ice! where did all this snow come from? dyfet: apparently the reanimation attempts were successful! we'd nearly lost hope! maybe I need to get out more :) chillywilly: he's a little slow, you see,.... also he's lost his inner monologue. an artifact of the unfreezing process. ^python: forms/reports don't represent objects chillywilly: so he's compelled to type on irc everything he's privately thinking most of the time you don't even worry about it chillywilly: it'll wear off. in triggers you can refer to a attribute qhR IA ANOQ? but it's different ER what is snow? and my brain is pudding now derek: it's like sand only white and cold hmmmm and cold? freezes feet instead of burns them when barefoot i suppose? cold is like...... dtm: ok derek: the snow eventually burns you under prolonged exposure! jamest: we have ice cubes... i know what cold is ;) just so long as nobody steals my mojo i will be ok :) man, how do you describe cold to an AZe AZr dyfet: h0h0 Action: dtm hands dyfet his jar of mojo rm -rf dyfet /dev/mojo or something... Action: dtm takes back the jar of spit he accidentally handed dyfet and gives him his mojo instead I've been saving this since I was a child! is rich ready for tomorrow, dtm? cold is just what you have all the time dyfet: i dont know. he's holed up in his office over there. i'm across the building. dyfet: he's been there all day lights go dim occassionally? mad scientist noises coming from the office? dyfet: i have a voxilla.org project plan in DCL dyfet: MY WHOLE LIFE for this next week is in DCL Action: dtm obey DCL a friend of mine said "I don't remember what's happened in the last two days. But according to DCL, it was very profitable." DCL is all! cast away your powdered mocha mixes! your 7-11 capuccinos! only the DCL is truth! piping hot, goes down smoooooov. dtm: seek help yeah i'm workin on that. Action: dtm files a WO for it hmm...this all started when we haced his dcl entries and replaced them with one to shave his head, and another to go to the airport and beg for money :) HEH what are those ppl called? chrisna? blah, I have no idea how to spell it jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "[x]chat" hari krishna? yea sigh i need to go to bed early day tomorrow Action: derek is away: slave to sleep ^python (ian@203.160.177.10) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) --- Mon Feb 24 2003