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Nick change: ian -> ^phyton <^phyton> hello.. <^phyton> hello derek.. <^phyton> can i help with u...in gne-sb... <^phyton> specially in supply chain.. <^phyton> :) <^phyton> hello..??? * derek is away: slave to sleep <^phyton> ahh..ic... <^phyton> thanks..vee2d2.. <^phyton> r u a gnue-developer? <^phyton> :) What kind of products do you work with? there are no gnue developers here! move along! <^phyton> because our company needs an inventory.....when i look at gnue..i think it has a great future... <^phyton> so..maybe...i could help develop in gnue..... ^phyton: certainly possible. ^phyton: what sort of company is it? <^phyton> veed2d2: trading...company.. trading.. as in import/export stuff..? <^phyton> veed2d2 : nope.. just a simple one.. it sells medicines (pharmacy) :) <^phyton> Vee2d2: how can i join? ^phyton: you'll need to talk to derek when he's around. what are you doing for inventory mgmt right now? <^phyton> Veed2d2: yupp...:) with a point of sales..module.. <^phyton> Veed2d2: i need ur advice.. ^phyton: well, I meant.. what is it that you are using to manage your inventory now? <^phyton> Veed2d2: where using a peachtree...right now.. I see <^phyton> Veed2d2: the company is now trying to develop a inventory system.... <^phyton> Veed2d2: then i found..gnue.. <^phyton> vee2d2: r u one of the core developer of gnue? no ^phyton: do you have a db schema, data is db? <^phyton> ra3vat : what do u mean "data is db"? :) do you currently have the data for you inventory in a database? <^phyton> vee2de: yup.. dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) may be you have existent db then you can make gnue forms to work with that data dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. with a peachtree db? I dunno about that ra3vat i now about peachtree even less that's why i'm asking, and they developing something anyway Action: Vee2d2 has never used peachtree <^phyton> ra3vat : yup...we are now trying to develop a new one..but the first proposal would be done in delphi (borland) <^phyton> ra3vat : but if could convince them to do with it in gnue... I know a potential client that is sing peachtree right now...the had a programmer write a custim interface to it then upgraded from the DOS version to the winders version so now that code is useless and unmaintained ^phyton: what will you use as db storage? interbase? <^phyton> ra3vat : wat i like in gnue (base on what i have read) is the n-tiered application. <^phyton> ra3vat: yup interbase... ^phyton: does peachtree use its own db? ^phyton: it is 2-tier actually at the moment <^phyton> chillywilly: yup they have...but if can create new inventory systm...wat we realy need to transfer is the item and its balances... yea... I am sure there's way of getting the data out of there <^phyton> ra3vat: wat about the appserv that i have downloaded? (ntiered) ^phyton: with delphi and interbase you need to design db schema anyway ^phyton: it er, it's not ready yet Action: Vee2d2 feels his headache drifting away.. mortin ib rocks.. motrin hasn't ever officially been released only as proof of concept 0.0.1 release ^phyton: once you have created db in interbase you can make gnue forms as user interface to it er, well I suppose that qualifies as official but that version wasn't very "functional" as far as meeting the "requirements" goes and there's no packages being built using it either but 2-tier works <^phyton> ra3vat : how about my bussiness rules? where will i put them? gnue forms supports "triggers" I these can be embedded python code or external scripts s/I// ^phyton: in triggers you can import any python modules <^phyton> ra3vat : so there is no way that i could do it in a 3-tiered? esands (~nic@mdr1-port40.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ^phyton: some tasks may be done on server side with just gnue common (without gui forms) esands (~nic@mdr1-port40.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. <^phyton> ra3vat : coz we need it to deploy in a remote client...so i need a thin one.. ^phyton: 3-tier depends on what time frame you have. you need to talk with reinhard <^phyton> ra3vat: ah..okie...:) ^phyton: thin client? how do you see that? even in 3-tier schema gnue forms will be the same ^phyton: there is (was) forms db driver for application server, it worked last I tried, it is just not for production <^phyton> ra3vat : i need to put my bussiness rules in an appserv... <^phyton> ra3vat : ic.. thin client means not a whole lot of logic happening on the client that's all...really otherwise you have to dsitribute your forms with the code embedded or the external scripts having it on a central server is nice would be <^phyton> chillywilly: yup...that was my understanding in gnue... <^phyton> chillywilly: is gnue realy like that? no, the appserver is not completely ready <^phyton> chillywilly: ic..:) jcater's installation works in LTSP env, it's one of the solutions to have it on a central server when other non exist yet true dat or the forms client can open forms over http (remote forms) chillywilly: but triggers should be able to access imported classes <^phyton> ra3vat : ah okie... ra3vat: yes, http doesn't work that well for a central server solution....nm chillywilly: do you think forms itself is ready to work in 3-tier mode or something important should be implemented to make that possible? hmmm it is possible that it will work to a degree... I am not sure about "methods" or business rules working on the appserver but it can maybe be used to replace the db erm, but that's kinda pointless it would be a middle layer that didn't do anything... I am out of touch with appserver reinhard would know the most about how functional it really is <^phyton> in gnue..when i implement a 2tierd apps is it easy to migrate to 3tierd if the appserv is ready? well I would hope it would be as painless as possible ^phyton: if you stick around a little while long you may be able to catch reinhard longer <^phyton> chillywilly..yup...i will.. <^phyton> chillywilly ...i realy like to help with this project.. cool <^phyton> chillywilly ..but b4 that i need to convince..my boss.. :P <^phyton> chillywilly..gnue is great to do the development.. <^phyton> :) <^phyton> chillywilly..r u a gnue developer? <^phyton> :) kinda <^phyton> chillywilly what do u do ? (gnue) I haven't worked on much lately hang out on IRC and annoy ppl ;) <^phyton> chillywilly lol.. <^phyton> chillywilly so ur a phyton guru.. well mostly in here I try help get gnue up and running at least or posgtres db <^phyton> :) I can use it decently but jcater is probably a "guru" <^phyton> chillywilly what languages do u do? :) c, c++, python, come Java if held at gun point ;) er, some <^phyton> have u tried delphi (borland)? nope, but derek is a former 'delphi guy <^phyton> ah..ic... erm, well I mean programmer that is ;) <^phyton> i want to have a comparison bet delphi and phyton.. he likes to compare gnue to delphi sometimes <^phyton> chillywilly what does he says about gnue and delphi?:) jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ^phyton: ummm, I dunno just stuff like oh delphi had this neat thing...gnue needs to implement stuff like that Action: chillywilly can't recall any specifics <^phyton> chillywilly .. i think delphi and gnue is diff... <^phyton> i think gnue is a enterpise framework... well I have no idea what similarities exist johannes (~johannes@M697P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. <^phyton> delphi is a language.. you could bug johannes ;) he works for reinhard ;P Action: chillywilly runs away <^phyton> maybe delphi and phyton..:) erm about the appserver that is <^phyton> hello...johannes.. <^phyton> :) hi btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. <^phyton> can ask question about appserver...:) <^phyton> is it fully functional? <^phyton> :) <^phyton> can it be used for production? good morning Action: johannes is at phone :) <^phyton> btami..gud morning.. <^phyton> :) ^phyton: this channel is logged you can find many of previous discussions with google <^phyton> ra3vat okie..:) I would suggest the kernel cousins before using google, though. =) the kernel cousins are some very good reading <^phyton> vee2d2 what do u mean by kernel cousins ?:) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/community/kc.html <^phyton> vee2d2 thanks.. "delphi site:.gnuenterprise.org" on google gives a lot of links all gnue&delphi related reinhard (~reinhard@M701P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. oh hello reinhard ^phyton is awaiting you dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" <^phyton> hello reinhard.. sorry afk will be here in 1 hour approx. dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port27.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. 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Nick change: ian -> ^phyton <^phyton> hello,..pll.. <^phyton> :) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-152.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ^phyton (ian@203.160.177.10) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-239.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ^phyton (ian@203.160.177.10) joined #gnuenterprise. ^python i am not a developper :) <^phyton> sachas...ah..okie.. morning all <^phyton> morning toyman howdy ^phyton Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek Action: derek is back (gone 04:17:12) ^phyton: i'm here for a bit sorry but i'm busy like hell today <^phyton> hello derek.. hey Action: derek is away: work sorry have to get in early today <^phyton> reinhard..okie..:) <^phyton> derek..okei.. <^phyton> derek do u have an email..? <^phyton> derek..:) i realy like to help in the dev... Stoke (~stoker@ppp1.tc-1.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. <^phyton> is appserver stable? :) no it is heavy under development and could need much help re ^phyton> derek..:) i realy like to help in the dev... :) <^phyton> reinhard : yup..i want to help with the dev..maybe in module...like supply chain..:) ok <^phyton> reinhard : who is in charge of the supply chain module? the current proposal was mostly written by neilt and me unfortunately neilt has nearly disappeared from the project due to too much work in real job :( and i have started to take care for the advancement of appserver <^phyton> reinhard: how can i help with it? can i? so the supply chain module is orphaned actually help with it? it = ? it = appserver or it = supply chain? <^phyton> reinhard i mean in the supply chain..:) ok <^phyton> reinhard or about appserver... all we can do currently about modules is planning there is no way to implement something for say another month or two until we have reached a certain level with appserver <^phyton> reinhard..i see... but if you want to comment on the current proposal for supply chain on a "theoretical" basis that's ok and also if you want to help with appserver where help is not necessary coding could also be testing, code review, other sorts of input <^phyton> reinhard : ah...okie.. :) <^phyton> reinhard : have u used delphi (borland) <^phyton> reinhard : have u used delphi (borland)? i was married to delphi for several years we divorced when i discovered free software :) i was using delphi since hour 0 coming even from turbo pascal 3.0 (around 1989) and being a true borland fan for over 10 years :) <^phyton> reinhard ic.. currently im using delphi...but when i saw the gnue...i was amazed.. <^phyton> reinhard : currently im trying to evaluate if i would transfer to gnue or stick with delphi.. for most of us, freedom is very important for example if we can chosse a free solution but have to wait longer to get it we will still choose the free solution not all people are in the position to be able to make this decision but they are under pressure (time wise) <^phyton> reinhard : ic... if i want to use DBGrid components...how will i do it in python or gnue? just a sec phone <^phyton> reinhard like the dbcontrols..which is very handy..how will i do it gnue? ok back actually you have 3 possibilities a) you can use gnue 2 tier tools to build your own application that is you use gnue forms, reports and designer which lets you do very much what you would do with delphi you have data aware widgets in gnue forms etc. b) you jump on gnue small business which is an existing project that does exactly that and reuse something that they already have (supply chain wise) -> then you would talk to derek <^phyton> reinhard : u mean there is also a data grid in gnue forms? <^phyton> reinhard: wer can i get the code of gnue sb? c) you want to use the "big" "official" gnue application which would mean that you would have to wait or massively help with appserver development there is something like a data grid in fact you can place controls side by side and tell forms to repeat that n times <^phyton> reinhard..thats cool... <^phyton> reinhard: wer can i get the code of gnue sb? so you have a grid but the columns can be of any contol, not only text for gnue-sb you could look on savannah http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnue-sb/ shoudl be right yes that works you probably have to check out cvs <^phyton> ah..okie.. jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. 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AFAIK several companies and institutions use navigator in production <^phyton> reinhard: dats okie..:) if i develop a 2tierd apps using gnue...its it easy to migrate to 3tierd ? when the appserver is stable probably not i'm not sure you could maybe easily migrate but then the result would in no way profit from the advantages of 3-tier <^phyton> reinhard : ic.. <^phyton> reinhard : when i see the documentation...in gnue.. u can easily migrate ur ui to curses...windows gui ..html.. <^phyton> how do we do that? we have an xml form definition which gets "interpreted" by different ui drivers the form definition says there's a label and the different ui drivers do different things to show the label for example dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." <^phyton> reinhard : ic...where can i find ui drivers? revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ^phyton: there is no 'migrating' to html, curses etc <^phyton> reinhard : ic...where can i find ui drivers? the idea is you dont have to 'migrate', by using forms those platforms would be available (i.e. no modifications) if we implement appserver with out the objects (which i am very much opposed to) and make it remote datasources and remote triggers migrating a 2 tier app to n-tier would be darn near seamless and you would get real advantages in doing so if you grab gnue-sb do not get gnue cvs instead get the last stable release 0.4.x as gnue-sb will not run on 0.5.0 pre-releases and cvs head is broken (even if it were not gnue-sb would not run on it) uh yes sorry if i was unclear i meant you would have to get cvs of gnue-sb not cvs of gnue (tools) <^phyton> revDeke: so u mean my form...can automatically be transform into curses, html etc? ^phyton: http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/gnue/gnue/forms/samples/zipcode/states.gfd view that file that creates a form that displays "master" records from a state table and all the "detail" city data listed under that state when calling forms you'd do gnue-forms -u qt states.gfd gnue-forms -u curses states.gfd gnue-forms -u wx states.gfd forms also always attempts to fail gracefully <^phyton> jamest thats cool... so if the qt driver doesn't work it drops back to curses johannes (~johannes@M697P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/gnue/gnue/forms/samples/dialog/dialog.gfd <^phyton> reinhard ..i have visited the gnu - sb webpage... do i need to log in? this is a sample of the upcomming support for user defined dialogs in gfds ^phyton: don't think so but it also shows a button with an attached trigger <^phyton> jamest...:) thats very cool.. you'll notice you have no logic dealing with saving data, navigating it, checking it most of that is done by default in the forms engine you can tweak that behaviour via triggers attached to almost anything also forms doesn't do widget sets like say gtk or qt forms does things simple so you have which is a place to enter text : A multiline text entry : A dropdown selector box etc, etc forms then fails gracefully if a ui driver doesn't support an option so if the curses driver doesn't do style="dropdown" then the ui driver will display a normal entry field no validation of input is done by the specific ui widget set (qt, gtk, curses) they only react to commands given by the code gnue forms code so even with a dropdown displayed it's still only possible for valid values in the dropdown list to be entered <^phyton> jamest..thats very cool..:) s/so even with/so even without <^phyton> i have a hard time downloading the files in gnue-sb... <^phyton> how do i do dat? ^phyton: i used delphi since version 1.0 and loved it i will say that without a doubt gnue is easier to write database applications in than delphi 5.0 and designer 0.4.x actually had nicer wizards (in my opinion) <^phyton> revDeke..i think..i am now convince...to migrate to gnue.. <^phyton> :) i will note that gnue is not mature like delphi but as reinhard alluded to 'freedom is very important' <^phyton> revDeke ...wat do u mean? it is not ready for production? i didnt say that delphi is version 6.x gnue is version 0.4.x that said i thought delphi 1.0 was very usable in production it just has had time to age so too i think gnue is usable in production it just has not fully aged ;) <^phyton> revDeke..ic... <^phyton> revDeke...how do i get the files...in gnue-sb.? <^phyton> i have a hard time... i.e. expect our forms definition to change from time to time etc as we grow <^phyton> do i need to log in.. <^phyton> i like to try...the gnue-sb.. <^phyton> i have visited ...http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnue-sb <^phyton> where can i download the files? <^phyton> can u help me with this? <^phyton> can u help me with this? revDeke.. johannes (~johannes@M697P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. <^phyton> still there revDeke? :) <^phyton> reinhard ... in our appserver..can object be persistent using relational database? <^phyton> hello???:) <^phyton> hello??? wer is everybody? <^phyton> :) sorry anoncvs <^phyton> revDeke ... in our appserver..can object be persistent using relational database? when using appserver all objects are persistent in fact an object in appserver is more or less a database entry and a class is more or less a database table <^phyton> reinhard...ic...see... btami: woot! i see win32 native drivers being checked of course appserver "adds" very nice things to the database table/entry jamest: yes :) <^phyton> reinhard... how about inheritance...? they displaying yet? <^phyton> reinhard can i implement it? jamest: more or less :) Action: jamest need to get off his arse and finish the new ui stuff so that cvs head works again we very much believe that we shouldn't do inheritance (we == some of the core project members) what we have as appserver "object" is not in the sense of oop dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. we just call it object because it combines data (from the database) with code (python triggers) <^phyton> reinhard ....ah..ic... <^phyton> reinhard...ic...but there r no characteristic of an object oriented.. <^phyton> like private, public properties.. _maybe_ private and public properties more probably there are properties with different "permissions" like property "stockCount" is read/write for the "system" but read only for the user so the user may not do stockCount=17 but he may use procedures like "increaseStock(5)" which increases stockCount by 5 but also logs into another table who did it etc. i hope you get the idea <^phyton> reinhard...ic...i get it..:) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. <^phyton> reinhard can u help me... i have a hard time getting the code of gnu-sb.. <^phyton> :) <^phyton> how can i get it? bye btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: let me look <^phyton> i have been in the site http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnue-sb <^phyton> but i can get the files.. ^phyton: if i had my druthers i wouldnt have appserver have objects at all it would be only remote datasources and remote triggers must run for real revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. ^phyton: http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs.backups/gnue-sb.tar.gz is a nightly snapshot spiffy I didn't know savannah did those yes it does for all projects reinhard: Wow. cool. <^phyton> reinhard..i have downloaded it.. <^phyton> but there are v in the files.. v in the files? <^phyton> reinhard..i have already download it..thanks a lot.. <^phyton> bye.. <^phyton> exit ^phyton (ian@203.160.177.10) left irc: reinhard: Maybe rcs files? foo.py,v ? howdy reinhard how goes things? don't ask otay the mad goats have gotten over me garlic might help lol neilt (~neilt@66.95.70.186) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt1 (~neilt@66.95.70.186) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (~neilt@66.95.70.186) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) psu (psu@81.98.44.32) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all heya psu neilt1 (~neilt@66.95.70.186) left irc: "Be back later" good evening mister V. kc #69 has finally gone to Zack Should be up in a couple of hours ;-) cool I dont guess there's a site focuesed on information regarding trade shows/events/forums going on which might interest 'the community', is there? focused are you looking, or have you found one? looking without a lot of luck The guys tend to do the odd linuxworldexpo, but I'm not sure what else there is There's a UK linux show I went to last year - can't find the URL I dont either.. would be nice if there was a central sounding board for such things.. You could try one of the std linux news sites and search for "show" etc www.linuxtoday.com etc bit needle in haystack, however. Of course, if I had another 24 hours in day, I would probably start a weblog type thingy around free enterprise software news I went to the various lug sites in my area to see if I could find any info on potentially local happenings.. including this sort of thing Which is pretty much what the gnuenterprise.org site was at first - see some of the early items in the news archive but it proved impossible to keep this up, and keep making progress on the project as well. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M703P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. I can understand that.. =) reinhard (~reinhard@M701P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) if anyone sees revDeke later or if he's ego=scanning the logs ;-) tell him I need to catch up with him either tonight (my time) or tonight (his time!) revDeke [12:26] Last message repeated 2 time(s). we now return you to your normal #gnuenterprise programming just as soon as we have worked out what is normal anyway... any newsworthy events in KC 69? ah speak of the devil it just got posted Just for the record, I didnt say I felt the serialized SKU was easiest, just that the company I formerly worked for eventually used such a system. Actually, I felt the easiest to use was the logical system they had first devised. Anyone could easily identify the SKU by looking at the product (if there were no markings), where as with the serialized numbering system it would be impossible without the help of the syste 345678 is. neilt (~neilt@66.95.70.186) joined #gnuenterprise. interesting.. it's either sleeting or very small hail.. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu: you rang? Vee2d2: there used to be an 'events' calendar for all things GNU/Linux i dont recall where though :( http://www.internettradeshowlist.com/linux/ is a weak one aha http://linevents.com/index.php3 that is the site i wsa thinking of and now that its in a gnue log it will be MUCH easier to find :) Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard derek: super cool.. very much what I was looking for.. 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ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-205-41.glv.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" revDeke (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. its kind of cool cause my wife and kids never really were windows users i upgraded something here and it installed adobe plugin (i think something i upgraded for my nephew) and my wife was like 'get that crap off here' i want my old pdf viewer back her old viewer is ghostview :) the reason acrobat has crappy scrolling features NO windows user would complain about that, as it behaves how windows does neilt (~neilt@ip68-105-182-97.nv.nv.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hehe Action: dtm fearz hax0rw1f3 supah powahz lol I just wish ghostscript wasn't crap yo yo yo what's the haps?!? fine then don't answer see if I care grr how do you turn it off :( doesnt appear to be a plugin but im not finding it in the 'handler section' ok found the plugin nppdf.so File name: nppdf.so MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/pdf Portable Document Format pdf Yes chillywilly: send me more guitar-playing ogg vorbis warez anyone know how to disable it chillywilly: the people have spoken. and they have demanded their chillywilly. chillywilly: you are galeon master how do i remove it ok trying apt-get remove --purge acroread-plugin chillywilly: shoudl i be jealous if i like my wife's desktop better than my own? http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/Screenshot.png is the wifey's new setup icky gnome2 does GNUe do win32 yet? do? work on it does her w/a broom handle in all its ugliness rofl btami check in semi-working win32 drivers in head semi-working is 100% certain as head doesn't work at this time if it worked on win32 it would be much easier to move ppl from win32 to nix I have clients using xchat, mozilla and openoffice on win32 so that they get used to it before we switch them to 100% nix i think you'll see it in 0.5.0 cool as the drivers are the focus of 0.5.x as something similar to M$ Access reports would be a major selling point s/are/are one of/ um i think reports beats up access reports at this point for functionality just not in UI as to 'icky gnome2' Action: revDeke is grateful its NOT windows if she wanted to run windowmaker i would be happy or blackbox or fluxbox or kde anything that is freesoftware :) revDeke: I'm just saying that a lot of small businesses rely heavily on M$ Access reports she liked kde but didnt like that she couldnt drag pictures from konq onto evolution and have it create attachments Action: revDeke wasnt willing to retrain her to use kmail and support it (yet) and having something similar that works on both win32 and nix makes migration a shitload easier for them fwiw, we have had win32 support for the last 18 months via wx but the native driver will make things much smoother agree 100% revDeke: you see my QT driver :) it displays forms just no events yet (so it's useless) btw: i dont think that its necessarily true that giving them free software apps on windows is the bets er best i USED to think that but now after many experiences i think the value of GNU/Linux isnt in one or even several apps its in the system as a whole and so just giving them the apps doesnt give them the 'experience' furthermore coddling them along at half pace i think only hurts more than helps revDeke: I mean to get them using it on win32 first, then move them to nix no, it definitely helps i.e. slowly screwing them makes it seem long and drawn out just kicking them in the nuts