Derek said that was why he preferred SKUs that were "8 or smaller" Action: Isomer thinks derek has a very limited number of products :) heh I think the usual IRC rule applies "don't read what i said, read what i meant" I know exactly as in but I found that one rather amusing :) "0.5.0 will be released around christmas" read that as "I hope to GNue some christmas, and if I do, 0.5.0 will come about sometime next year" is there a document how to write triggers for 2tier apps (not that I gona need it sometime soon)? forms developers guide exists ta nite night jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning hi btami hi psu johannes_ (~johannes@M697P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. 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SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-102.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Action: derek is away: work dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. bigbrother joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M703P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. root (~root@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. r00t hi okok ok, I'll come back. root (~root@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left irc: Client Quit really bad idea to be ircing, or doing anything really, as root.. =) Vee2d2: They used to automaticaly kick you on #debian if you were root many places esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. welcome back.. =) hi! Vee2d2: I had my ident server messed up and it had me showing up as root, even when I wasn't. heh.. I have this bad habit. it's a pretty bad one, esv what are you running X as root, too? sure, let me go back and login as myself. esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left irc: Client Quit Please, do tell. =) hehe how's it going, jbailey / dsmith jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: Vee2d2: Just Ducky Vee2d2: ' dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. I'm back Nick change: dsmith -> ds|lunch psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. for clarification i did mean 8 digits that is 99,999,999 products federated departments stores ran on 8 sears roebuck ran on 7 (2 digit dept) (5 digit product) revDeke: it was a joke.. you could read what you said as "items 1-8" (i.e., 8 items total) ah ok well techincally that is correct i only sell 8 items or less ;) lol Vee2d2: might have some time tonight, spent last night upgrading pc's around the house revDeke: That means you get to use the "8 items or less" checkout at the supermarket ;-) rock they have 'self' checkout here now and are slowly doing away with 10 item or less lines they tried it here but dropped it Action: psu loved it as it was geeky i like it but rarely use it but must have had too much "shrinkage" as my wife always sends me with coupons or tells me to get 'fruits/vegetables' I always have trouble keeping a straight face when people talk about shrinkage. i.e. then i have to call someone over to enter those things and its more a pain than its worth 'cause to me, that's what you get when you skinny dip in a cold lake. rofl well in either case its a 'bad' thing right Oh certainly. so its universal that 'shrinkage' is bad But it's hard to hear a woman say it. =) sorry had to let you go, shrinkage problem and all "We had massive shrinkage problems in our Seattle office" /exactly/ we need to replace our operations officer at the toronto store, he can't keep his shrinkage under control Action: revDeke wonders if one put an html resume up that said Master of Shrinkage if you would get any calls from porno fetish producers or not things that make you go hmmmmm jbailey: you realize by tomorrow searching for the word shrinkage will have this log in the top 10 at google ;) Action: revDeke runs away for a bit revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. djukami (~wdk42@pool-141-156-170-239.esr.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello everybody Sorry, wife took over my computer.. Derek, great! =) heya djukami how you doing today? fairly well.. you? can't complain Action: Vee2d2 goes to do the lunch thing.. oooooo did people know that http://www.gnu.org/projects/gnue/ still exists i thought we were ditching that for http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/ hi chillywilly: you just wake up? yep why? slacker :) pffft reinhard (~reinhard@M703P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~reinhard@M703P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Qhi ooopss hi so, i figure this is probably the best place to ask this: i'm interested in getting started on working on GNU enterprise, what's the best way for me to go about doing this? What do you mean by 'working on'? i have programming skills and a lot of free time, so i'm game for most anything. djukami: Are you fluent in Python? What platform? (Windows/unix/etc?) And most importantly: What are you interested in? GNUe covers a wide range of fields, and if you're interested in accounting, it's one thing; in telephony, it's another; in inter-system messaging protocols, yet another. my background is mostly C/C++, mostly coding in unix telephony is probably my bag Lovely. C++ and telephony is a good mix for us. =) Take a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/ ok Once you're familiar with that, it's best to email those lists or if you see either dyfet or dtm around here. ok thanks much for the direction revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. gnue (KennethRei@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: i noticed that too jcater is that something you can fix? savannah dudes do NOT answer email :( Action: jbailey hides. i have tried for 2 months now to get gnue-sb emails fixed johannes (~johannes@M697P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" jamest: i suppose we could do some kind of a 'refresh' to make projects go to software though i could have sworn we were keeping projects and not making a software :( Nick change: ds|lunch -> dsmith jonis (~Janis@80.232.240.180) joined #gnuenterprise. jonis (~Janis@80.232.240.180) left #gnuenterprise. gah new galeon sucks hard It's been okay. I've only got one major crasher, and I've reported it. jcater: thanks for email confirmation Vee2d2: you get mails for gnue-sb today? jbailey: missing the whole tools menu PITA to re-enable cookies for a site now Oh, huh. I had never used that menu except for Javascript debugging. (Which I can't seem to find..) pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) joined #gnuenterprise. afternoon anybody used a Dialogic Dialog/4 board with Bayonne? dyfet or rsb likely has if you summons dtm he can likely dig rsb up for you dig 'em up? is he buried? ;P Action: chillywilly slings a shovel full of dirt onto havoc hmm. Google says that Dialog/4 is a 4 port board, but mine only has 2 RJ-11 ports bah hehe but the sticker on the back says "Model Dialog/4" seems konq has some JS bugs fixed oh dude I had my laptop on power save mode (was messing with the BIOS) and it was dog slow and pissing me off big time must've been running at half the clock speed or somethin' reinhard (~reinhard@M703P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "War doesn't solve problems. War creates problems." bbl revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. yay!!! working gnue-sb lists! pattieja: Have you gone to the http://www.intel.com/network/csp/products/2419ts.htm site they have the specs & says 4 port 2 rj11 gnue: thanks gnue: ? what's an RJ-14 type connector? pattieja: I have no idea chillywilly: how do I get this thing to anounce me as kreiszner what does this mean? Recommended Cables The DIALOG/4 does not come with the Y adapter (RJ-14 to RJ-11) and is sold separately. The item market name for this cable is CBLRJ14TORJ11YA. hmm. I guess the "two" port board has 4 lines capability? sounds like one RJ-14 makes two rj-11 it physically has two ports on the front (that look like RJ-11), but has 4 connectors inside hmm gnue: probably right try Digi-Key site pattieja: hi hello dtm pattieja: you should write to the bayonne mailing list. well, I am literally starting out at day 1 :) we just got this card from someone who just had it lying around, so they gave it to us gnue: part number didn't show up anything on digi-key gnue: searching for RJ-14 keyword dtm: is there a #bayonne IRC room at all? gnue: /nick kreiszner pattieja: yeah. just join it pattieja: the mailing list is best just ask there Nick change: gnue -> kreiszner chillywilly: thanks, ken yep, no problem dtm: have you gotten a Dialogic card working with Bayonne? pattieja: i'm not a telephony engineer so i haven't personally ever used Bayonne, but tons of people have. pattieja: OST's mainstay hardware is usually Voicetronix and Dialogic as for what we sell normally we stick to dialogic just for fax. ooh. I heard about Voicetronix (or maybe something else?). Whoever makes the LineJack and InternetJack hardware nevermind. just saw that it's QuickNet pattieja: From all I can tell the RJ14 and RJ11 are the same except with the 14 4 vires are connected instead of 2 right. looks that way on the ports kreiszner: do you think that a normal phone line will work? I'm hoping that the inner pair is one line and the outer pair is the second line on the RJ-14 ports we only have two lines into the office, anyway, so we should be able to use both ports and not have to buy the Y cables so I was thinking we'd use port 1 and port 3 or something similar on the board anybody know where I can download the "System Software" Intel's pages keep telling me about? dtm: is it possible to search the mailing list archives? pattieja: When in doubt, google will do it for you. jbailey: cool jbailey: even a SourceForge mailing list? Hmm. I think all of the sourceforge pages have the list name on them. So do a search LISTNAME SEARCH_CONTENTS site:LISTSERVER pattieja: yeah just go look! oh. I didn't see the search field at the top left thanks dtm pattieja: That is what I get from my browisings that they are two normal lines but don't quote me on it. pattieja: http://www.phonegeeks.com/twolcomkitbr.html k. thanks kreiszner pattieja: :) pattieja: Belken does not use the RJ14 designation but says the RJ11 with 4 wires can be devided into 2 lines see the adapter at http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Product_Id=23289 dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) left #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. interesting article.. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_09/b3822601_tc102.htm "complex business applications are probably beyond their range." --They probably havent smelt the goat a commin'.. esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" I think it was devnull who coined the term 'that sucks rancid goat farts' jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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We're going to have 5 or 6 generic categories and do dynamic labels for them? i think so labels might not be dynamic on version 0.1 but you will be primary user so you get to pick label names so dont fret ;) Action: derek just wondered if you got the email i sent to list I sure did have some time tonight was going to sit down and start to dig in i think I planned to reply but didnt have time yet no problem, im still gun shy on the lists not working :) seems to be fixed, which is great im going to test 'commit' list now i think ;) i.e. with real commits any cvs studs around Action: derek wonders if i had a 'branch' checked out and do an update -Pd will it update only changes to the branch or will it sync me up to head? as i jsut ran on my 0_4_x gnue branch and it seems to be changing a LOT I dont know, but would think you're syncing to head derek: it will keep you in branch cvs update -A will revert to head cool dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dyfet jcater: thanks hi! i think im going to install tarballs of last release derek: I would recommend that as i want to make sure gnue-sb is compatiable with certain version anyhow of course if latest was in sid that would be easy to do Action: derek admits im more likely to ask you to fix something that doing it myself ;) Action: jcater ducks oh jbailey's not here no need to duck kreiszner (KennethRei@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" will anyone cry if i take dcl down for a few? and upgrade to 0.9.3 for gnue? um I'd be happy if you accidentally corrupted the data quiet you err, wait did I say that out loud? are you going to bring it back up? jcater: seriously is it backed up i mean I'm cool w/ the upgrade 'just in case' you can keep as new a dcl on ash as you like it gets backed up nightly kreiszner (KennethRei@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) joined #gnuenterprise. just don't run it but I would do a dumpall manually as it makes me feel bad and keep that separate as I only keep a snapshot from the previous day I don't have incremental backups i think i have us on deb packages, so HOPEFULLY this should be fairly painless i.e., my backups of ash are to recover from a hardware crash jcater: otay not from users fscking up their data and realizing days later once this is up i might look at using product modules as well so we can have gnue tools: reports forms gtk curses html qt common database rpc gnue dcl gnue small business i.e. nested products website right derek's lpr/cups problems etc roflmao hey i think if you like cups my problem might have actually helped you :) eh? Action: jcater had converted before you did bwahahahahaha and it's been true hell PURE hell Action: jamest converted test box and planted bug in jcater's ear thats the cool thing about my insane ability to break workign things, it can teach people stuff about things they use, they never wanted to know rofl I'm just now planning to roll out crap what is ash running? woody, testing, sid? woody woody ra ra ra! thought so Action: derek thought i had installed the .deb package on here... hmmmm ash:/home/dneighbo# dpkg --list |grep dcl ii dcl 20020705-pre1 GNU Enterprise - Double Choco Latte ash:/home/dneighbo# Action: derek scratches head sweet jesus! derek's loggin in as root! i wonder if copied that .deb to ash or if i changed the source list snagged it and switched it back /msg jcater back it up! back it up now! Action: jcater double checks the backup from yesterday! im suprised niether one of you has bent over backwards 'begging' to do the upgrade guess i know how much you really hate dcl too busy oh, I'd be HAPPY to do it just don't be surprised if it went awry and if ash dies no more pending tickets you would rather me smash ash, than have a working dcl ;) dtm (~dtm@h-68-165-0-110.SNVACAID.covad.net) left irc: Connection timed out no ok woudl you rather me upload a .deb we'd rather you leave ash alone but trash dcl or switch source.list temporarily upload a deb! otay dyfet: you there? yes kinda dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" whew.. whew? both kids and wife are in bed now.. rock! i think dcl for gnue is fully upgraded :) not too bad really took about 5 minutes to upgrade dcl 10 minutes to figure out dcl-www and not www-data is the db user for dcl :) and 30 minutes to run tests 0.9.2 we be running!!!! Vee2d2: now i can get looking at gnue-sb :) =) oh wow dcl 0.9.2 has auto-annoy flags so you can email, fax and voicemail users a list of stuff you want them to do..... jcater, what is your fax number again? ;) 901-911 2222 Vee2d2: i kind of lied forgot i had to catch up dcl support email (done now) and submit bugs on 0.9.2 deb pacakges to jeff (cause i like him and all) ;) 911 is the area code for fire! fire! fire! i seem to recall larry wall having a saying hmmmm i'm going to butcher it but it was along the lines of a man does not threaten with a knife those that build rocket launchers i wish I could recall the details and I'm not really sure what made me think of it it was in refernce to someone threatening to autospam a mailing list or something or as we say in the south, don't bite tha hand that feeds ya. err, maybe not the same I want an infobot ltsp has infobot /msg DrEvil weather kmem /msg jcater auto-annoyer eh? how's the bandwith on your mail server, i'm on a hanging off an Internet 2 connection I have a crude one, that's what hello is.. albeit not really 'infobot(tm)' and I wish to call him MINI-ME! couldn't you see it talk about some nasty hairy code.. we D.O.S. with autoreplies to the auto-annoyer s/with/ash with Subject: It's for the best. Sorry ash. derek: iirc, you have one of the oldest open work orderts *snicker* :) bed time! jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. rofl jcater: i want an info bot specifically i might take pybot and modify him to talk to our dcl do i can do pybot ticket 233 and he spits back ticket info muhahahahaha yeah right Vee2d2: ok i think im caught up for real, probably bed time though oh wow, its only 22:30 i might get to actualyl work on gnue-sb :) crikey, i have to install 0.4.3 gnue that should go quick though That's what I was pondering doing.. mmmm have y'all seen mserv Action: jcater likes mserv? mserv? I bought speakers for our IT room at work installed mserv and everyone brings in their cds we rip favorite songs from i use edna it's basically a web-based radio station self-run of course :) Action: Vee2d2 just tunes into flare-sound or something but im only one listening :) yeah, that's the difference this was a community thing for everyone in the room we got decent surround-sound speakers mounted in the corners