jcater/jamest BASE DIR /home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/dialogs/login WARNING: Cannot build login form [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/dialogs/login/login.gfd' Invalid trigger POST-COMMIT is there new list of valid triggers? first off oh crikey rm -rf forms/src/dialog/login Action: cw-away reads back log oooo cvs update i did cvs update -Pd er Nick change: cw-away -> chillywilly a few minutes ago nevermind should i do so again rm -rf forms/src/dialog/login will get rid of the warning btw, if you haven't run setup-cvs.py recently it's time to do it again youse guys are doing some mucho hackin' i ran it recently >= last 30 min or so after the update -Pd ok then you are good that was a general "you" what's the ETA on 0.5.0 man ;)? chillywilly: between 2 and 30 days at least, we think heh jamest: still get Invalid trigger POST-COMMIT well I suppose I should take this laptop apart and try the new chassis and see if that thing will boot (I hope it does otherwise I am shipping it back) chillywilly: i suspect if vin and i both beat on gnue-sb and these guys have time probably sooner than later but the cannot build login form goes away well they're going at a good pace :) i have a readonly field if i key in i get VERY generic dialog Action: derek knows these were redone bbl...youse guys will probably be sleeping by the time I am back is this case of readonly dialog isnt made yet or is this how all dialogs will look? Action: chillywilly has top power this thing down to* l8r chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" dialogs are now .gfd forms jamest: yes i know my point was the form was very generic is this how the dialogs will be by default generic doesn't tell me anything though or have we just not had time to make specific ones what is generic about it jamest: generic == hideously ugly what's missing vs the old one the one that is in there now was maybe 30 mintes work the two big differences (that make it not ugly (that was wrong word), but not seem like an error message) is that it didnt have a titlebar title it said "untitled" had label say GNUe Message (nothing horribly wrong here, but i probably would make that titlebar message) the biggest item was that it was entry box opposed to label that contained the actual message Action: derek notes this is 100% a style thing and bears no witness to functionality so shouldnt have time spent on it now certainly things like that will improve with time i think it's easy to fix Action: derek was merely posing a question the nice thing about this is it's just a form look in cool forms/src/dialogs i think question is answered in sense of, its a form, we just havent gotten aroudn to polishing them on to real questions :) old form: new form: inpParent.resetForeignKey() ]]> it seems to have 'preserved' the trigger still a child of block? but puts it out in the middle of no where jcater: no its all alone inbetween labels and entries all alone? or in ? in page i suppose it needs a block="blkItem_category" attribute no or needs to be moved up as a child of the block it should have been mopved to block Action: jcater is looking now its item_category_maint.gfd in gnue_sb if you want a form to test against to fix ok, think its fixed ? err moving the trigger fixes the problem ok, I think I fixed it cool I guess I don't use block-level triggers that much you want a bug report on the functionality of the trigger as none of my test cases caught that it works but has a 'side-effect' ? jcater: its me... i will find what your tests missed ;) jcater: well if i do a commit it does update the lookup fields like it should the 'side-effect' is that (in this grid) it makes the last value the default for all uncommitted entries Action: derek thinks i need a screen shot to show this yeah that'd be helpful Vee2d2: so you like designer 0.5.0's improvements? jcater: screenshots coming new gnome2 screenshooter is GREAT for desktop screenshots it sucks ass for application screenshots Action: jcater loves ksnapshot simple and functional actually kppp new buttons and stuff look killer using kde 3.1.x Action: derek might give it a whirl derek: are you on wx 2.4 or 2.2? dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue-sb/item/forms$ dpkg --list |grep wx ii gnue-forms-wxg 0.4.1.99-20021 An XML-based forms painter ii libwxgtk2.2 2.2.9.2.1 wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GT ii libwxgtk2.3 2.3.3.2 wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GT ii libwxgtk2.3-py 2.3.3.2 wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wx ii wxwin2.2-i18n 2.2.9.2.1 wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (i1 dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue-sb/item/forms$ 2.3, eh? now that 2.4 is out, I'd upgrade thats what i was thinking as 2.3 was development branch you see the icons in the menus? that's recent i just did an udpate upgrade a few days ago on sid jcater: nice Action: derek still gets confused by the arrows up/down vs left/right up/down is more correct jcater: yes, I do.. I havent had a chance to fully play with it, but I thought it was a pretty nice improvement but crappy tools have me conditioned :( jcater: wrt the new designer jcater: ok ready for this (i know this is gonna be a wtf, how did you make this happen bug) ;) http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/bugs/ Forbidden You don't have permission to access /~dneighbo/bugs/after.png on this server. You don't have permission to access /~dneighbo/bugs/before.png on this server. I can't do much for those so how did you make this happen derek? http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/bugs/before.png thats what the form looks like before anything is done 3 categories one having a parent lol nive effect then i type a category description in I see what you mean about gnome2's screenshot and hit 'commit' that sucks http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/bugs/after.png is what 'results' the 'dropdown' gets updated, but unfortunately defaults to the last value if i close form and reopen it looks fine hmm http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/bugs/shouldbe.png thanks for the help, guys, I'll keep y'all in mind next time I need help :) and this wasn't happening in 0.4.3? jemfinch (~jfincher@ts29-10.homenet.ohio-state.edu) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). not that i know of weird I saw it in 4.3 Vee2d2: you still have 0.4.3 around? we haven't done much with that part of the code I havent looked at the screen shots but I seem to recall the effect it worked at one time in the 0.4.x ok, it's past my bedtime nite jamest but didn't post-commit change to be per record? I only have 20 more minutes myself long ago somewhere in 0.4.x? no oooooo im showing it works BUT or was that a 0.5.0 i see it paint all that stuff and then wipe it out i.e. i see the entries all default (flash) then disappear with dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue-sb/item/forms$ gnue-forms --version GNUe Forms Version 0.4.3 GNUe Common Version 0.4.3 dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue-sb/item/forms$ on the form before it was converted did that last dump work for you, derek ? derek: I know the triggers changed in 0.5.0 but I don't recall the details I'm not saying that's the problem just an FYI I'm thinking jamest is right however this code *should* get the same effect either way in my forms at work I had very minor adjustments so this looks like a bug that existed then and now ? Vee2d2: verifying now it also looks like a bug I'll care about more after I sleep :) l8r but the change in trigger behavior made the effect more pronounced if that makes sense jamest: rofl, l84 derek: thanks for testing as we need this yes but we'll fix as stated i coudl see it 'flashing' jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. which probably means it was not 'rock solid' feature :) but it 'got by' the changes now made the flaw 'shine' i suspect its less to do with 'triggers' as the built in fucntion well, the flashing I think is an annoying feature of wx wx won't (or at least 2.2 wouldn't) this is one of those convience functions put in by jamest let us stop refreshing comboboxes while we change it's contents so as we clear it out, it insists on updating itself on screen and i know when he did it, he said that it would be way easier in 0.5.0 well so im thinking the stuff got cleaned up to make it easier and made it change change that to 0.5.x inpParent.resetForeignKey() is the function er resetForeignKey() the qt driver is pretty slick.. oh, just wait probably something in def allowedValues(self): GFField that's what I've been working on all night our labels on this lookup form end up half way under the interface menu.. =/ Action: jcater hasn't committed it yet :) Vee2d2: I've fixed that but it's got a very nice feel to it cool it feels.. 'lubed' ahh, and the close button donut workie.. =) DB000: self._exit(event._formName) DB000: TypeError: _exit() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) so will qt become our most refinied interface? my intent wasnt to bug you with problems in the qt driver though so I'll leave it alone for now.. =) jcater: is there away to set 'tab order' um short of reordering your gfd widgets 0.4 had tabOrder="x" but that isn't as well tested under 0.5 cool i hadnt looked was curious Vee2d2: I just committed my changes to QT if you want to sneak a peak though it still isn't production quality of course :) derek: I don't think we'd purposely polish QT more than others, though I must say that the QT driver is what'll be used at NCS (it only makes sense to since 90% of the ppl are running KDE) s/to/too jcater: what qt bindinigs? 2 or 3 but wx will have to stay fresh too simply because of designer um I'm testing on QT 3 dimas (~Administr@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. 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I should probably setup another server on one of the other machines and work out what command line might work best (for my own backup purposes if nothing else) Vee2d2: likely we are just running different versions of postgres ok 0.5.0 forms for 'item' stuff should be checked in and website updated stated we are tracking 0.5.x and not 0.4.3 item_maint.gfd is still broken, but needs MASSIVE overhaul anyhow i should be around tomorrow to do some hacking for now its 'ice cream time' ;) Action: derek is away: food/sleep enjoy! hmm.. 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To my dear American friends: http://olympus.nisa.net/~jbailey/apology.txt Action: jcater troutslaps jbailey that's it! it's time to invade canada sure isn't a grizzly bear a kind of "biological weapon"? dude, as much acid raid as they get from being upwind of american families I think we can concider imported canadian wood as a biological weapon s/families/factories reinhard: at that canadian beer? that's a weapon of mass descruction destruction lol sigh i need to start over yeah that was a bad joke =) Action: Vee2d2 pours cups of rebrewed coffee for all dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. rebrewed coffee? Is that like that bitter crap americans call iced tea? =) Action: Vee2d2 switches jbailey's cup with fresh chicken juice That's almost as bad as Pork Yogurt hehe "Meat on the bottom!" Chicken Juice? Hmmm. Egg Nog in french is "Lait de Poule" or "Chicken Milk" (How's that for turning you off eggnog? *g*) must take a long time to get a cup of milk from a chicken. =/ I'm wondering what you, erm, pull to get it out? maybe ya just squeeze the whole thing.. play it like an accordion More like a bagpipe The trick is getting the right pressure for the drone. ohhhhhhhh! --- Topic for #sodipodi is http://lauris.kaplinski.com/sodipodi/sodipodi-kde.jpg (yes, it is REAL, no, it is not actually usable yet) --- Topic for #sodipodi set by lauris at Thu Mar 6 03:04:50 cool I wish sodipodi could import other vector formats :-/ alex_k (~alex@195.54.196.227) left irc: "Client Exiting" it's coming sodipodi for kde? Frightening. and w32 and gtk w32 native? Or using gtk? think via gtk now that I think about it.. =/ I liked the look of gtk1 on win32. I can't see it working with the HIG, though. it's taking a really long time to update right now.. a very, very long time i think it took me about 1 hour cvs commits are taking a while too :-/ ohh! neat! Log message: You can now resize a form by dragging the borders of the grid panel in the layout editor jamest (~jamest@leibniz.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@129.130.6.20) joined #gnuenterprise. :) too bad that didnt get in before my update.. =/ I'll be synching(sic) again tonight I guess.. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~reinhard@M702P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity." Action: jbailey is away: I'm busy jamest (~jamest@129.130.6.20) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4" V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:36:46) jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-27.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. aa (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-84-10.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all, long time no see how goes? aa, of the papo team in Cordoba fine, tks and how is project papo these days? nicely. We've finally moving into GNUe-0.5... (We're, that is) cool just came to see how you'd feel if we send in a few patches (which, as we're not working on the *latest* 0.5, could already be changed/fixed) against cvs head? I bet they'd be welcomed. =) aa: cvs head has changed a lot recently there's been a flury of commits cvs about three weeks/one month oh, darn that's pretty old.. =/ what's new? :) UIdriver system and bugfixes mainly scrollbars working? lots of rearranging too aa: I don't think so hm... should probably get better in sync before sending, no? aa the biggest change will be you can do now that work it would probably be best if you could which I think will probably replace some custom stuff you had to do in that last patch cluster you sent us if most of your changes are in forms/src or forms/src/GFObject, then it shouldn't be a big deal jcater: can't be worse than the 0.4->0.5 jump aa: definitely not yup. Dialogs are forms with a return value, basically? sorta most of the internal dialogs now use the new setup (all but login dialog) you can find examples in forms/src/dialogs so you can do custom dialogs a few different wasy ways you can define them in .gfd files or gfd libraries sounds good or if you want to bundle a custom gnue-forms you can add directories under forms/src/dialogs and follow that format forms can't tell the difference where they came from and how does the caller know the outcome of the dialog? dialogs are modal and have a parameters dict passed into them they manipulate that dict which you can then check ah, ok it's very rough at this time but it is functional # Frito-Lay sells about 1 billion bags a of Chee-tos a year. that's a hell of a lot of chips Mmmm chips mooooo so we need to figure out how to exploit Mr. Bailey ___/: \o.O: =(___)= U mr0w looks like he's up for making our new logo Hmm. I don't know if I could do Ascii art goat rape. ! ^--- logo so you're thinking about insensitive queries Yessir. as in case not as it "Man, have you gained weight?" Hmm could be like those quit smoking TSRs that used to be for sale for dos machines. doing this at the forms level would suck i think unless the datasource had a way to tag fields as case insensitive I haven't looked much beyond the UI. What builds the SQL statements? the datasource system the DBSIG2 core driver IIRC reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. I have no idea how this will happen reasonably as this will kill index logic :( I could see this at two levels index logic in the database, or in gnue? database the datasource system in gnue have a list of fields that should ignore case Shouldn't be. I think postgres and oracle both have case insensitive options. nope if so, it's very new in oracle then if the db driver supports that option it "does the right thing" this is toggled by a attribute Also, from postgres faq * Case-insensitive searches such as ILIKE and ~* do not utilise       indexes. if a db doesn't support the option it is simply ignored by default queries would be case sensitive though I think newer postgreses do have functional indexes jamest: that was my original thought when this came up months ago but then you get drastically different behavior between databases Action: jcater was nervous about that I don't think it's right to not support the option unless there's no way with the datastore. But the documentation (or help tooltip or whatever) needs to be clear that in many cases this may be a speed hit. Action: jcater foresees us setting ourself up for a bad rep it at least needs to be disable-able at the gnue.conf level another thing I would like to see if we go this route is to also add an attribute to right now we have I wouldn't mind a Have to be careful there not to silently lose or corrupt data that onyl has case variance. ya yo gerald (~gerald@eurobiz.uni-paderborn.de) joined #gnuenterprise. i personally don't like mixed case data in the db at all as it's just a typo fest but then I know others need it gerald (~gerald@eurobiz.uni-paderborn.de) left irc: Client Quit I need it for client names. When they're paying you a million a year, they tend to expect things like 'McCarthy' to be spelt the way they want it. =) as for the level of support this almost seems like the sloppyQuery support in forms now Action: jcater double-fields stuff like that it's there but the level of support depends on the backend I know some ppl don't like it it's also like the current implementatoin of query by detail so are we getting anywhere? double-field, so like have a hidden upper-only field? yeah that inserts automagically to upper(normalField) Hmm. freaks Can forms be trained that queries on one field really have to go to another one? (and how ugly is this to do to every field in my form I wonder) j00 have forms dawg? this is what jcater was talking about adding above Action: jcater wasn't saying this was your solution but it is one i have to do as I never have more than one field in a table that this affects what the heck is up with that url jbailey? as my users MUST do uppercase except in rare situations Well, it might be a reasonable solution, and just need to be documented in a best practices guide. jbailey: can that file be gotten elsewhere? or he thwaps them chillywilly: remind me your email address? danielb@libertyetech.com hmmmmm i wonder Action: chillywilly waits for the spam should db drivers have a configuration dict logged channel ya know ;) that lists supported features find /var/log -exec cat "{}" | mutt -s "Increase your inbox size in 10 easy steps 00123" danielb@libertyetech.com \; oops wrong window rofl I was just trying to figure out if that would give enough info to root your machine. =) bah, silly canadians is that all they can talk crap about is the war of 1812? ;) that's like over 100 years ago dudes find something else ;) chillywilly: We're still the only country to successfully launch an attack on US soil. =) *and* we, being polite canadians, even gave a bunch of it back to you. I hate patriotism I need to find the 'i am canadian' ads for you then. =) jbailey: wanna go best 2 out of 3? hye man we have Sam Adams beer...nough said ;) we'll get o' GWB to warm up the nukes I'm sure he won't mind :) chillywilly: Got a quicktime player? =) http://www.problader.com/video/iamcanadian.mov I have mplayer I don't know if it does quicktime or not. there are non-free codecs slow connectionj it is really frelling slow 5.7kB/s everything is slow today damn you jcater Action: jcater looks around what did I do? Action: chillywilly just now sees the little command that would be very bad and I would have to hurt you w00t! what did I do? I can sleep better at night! James, Cut Costs with Unbreakable Linux. subject of a mail from Oracle 14:53 < jcater> find /var/log -exec cat "{}" | mutt -s "Increase your inbox size in 10 easy steps 00123" danielb@libertyetech.com \; lol jbailey: you hear the war of 1812 song on Freenode Radio? hrrrm, this download has stalled so, did we get anywhere on the case issue? remember I'm old and get confused easy It's all the pot. Oh yeah. That's not going to be legal in the US, is it? =) who cares? all it does is kill brain cells we need to preseve those especially old farts like jamest ;) aa (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-84-10.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" besides there's better thing to kill brain cells on like gnue code ;) or donut preservatives both those kill brain cells too Canada has been invading the us for years Alex Trebec, Peter Jennings, ... need I say more? Collin Mockery It's a secret plot to take over all media Phillip and Ted oh but they play hockey like no one's business so that makes them supreme ;) and they successfully attacked us over 100 years ago that still hurts ya know ;) I can't get my great great grandpa to stop crying should I buy a big ol 256 RAM chip for my laptop...it's only $75 that's cheap compared to what I have seen elsewhere then I'd have 320MB of RAM....ooooh there's 64MB on board http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-03-06-011-26-NW-DP-SS Jesus goes "Linux"! ;) jbailey: I watched that flick it's pretty funny chillywilly: Does that openexchange speak "Exchange" or does it use open protocols like pop3 and imap? Yup, come to canada bring your kid. Your belle will either follow or have you arrested at the border. beats me my "belle" ;) openexchange? hmmm, I sure wouldn't mind migrating to canada....you do much fishing jbailey? case sensitivity? CASE, case, CaSe Action: jamest is trying to herd cats^H^H^Hoders Action: chillywilly thinks jbailey is a city boy :) jason_priestly (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jason_priestly heard you bi0tches had a problem with canada and AZ too hell yea we do nope don't make me get my buddy bryan adams and come over to your house to open a can of whoop arse on you i don't have a thing against canada or AZ now the people from canada and AZ, that's a different story Nick change: jason_priestly -> revDeke :) i like jcater's solution to the case problem BUT be warned like an html interface, people will ALWAYS ask for it you can tell a kid the stove is hot generally they like to touch it before they believe so is the case for case ;) jcater: gnue-sb is now running against cvs head *woot* cool i think i might have unearthed some knowledge in the post-commit trigger i can share later i tested qt driver, but the login fails revDeke: press Cancel instead of Ok to accept Action: revDeke knows its not ready so wont bother submitting bugs against it (weird bug on my end :) jcater: little canadian logic there eh ;) i hope to do some hacking tonight get more gnue-sb stuff working new designer looks REALLY nice Action: jamest rushes off to revoke revDeke's cvs write access have some usability questions jamest: i have gnue_sb to torture now gnue cvs head is safe revDeke: I know usability sucks i promise 0.5.0 for designer was to get everything finally modularized the reworked block wizard is sharp, too jcater: its not so much that it sucks, just questions on how can i make it do 'x' and the answer might be wait till 0.5.1 ah which is fine by me biggest ouchie is that damn scrollbox bug seems to exist where if the property inspector has a scrollbar scrollbox bug? oh you cant 'type' into fields that still happening? sigh until you make scrollbox go away jcater: remember im on 2.3 oh yeah i will upgrade to 2.4 tonight see if that goes away w/2.4 and see if it still happens Action: jcater is almost to point where "Designer 0.5.1+ requires wx2.4 +" i dont have problem with that Action: jcater would like to keep forms more compatible of course but I think we can do that w/designer at this point i see designer/forms as being 'desktop' tools and i think its ok to ask a desktop to be pretty cutting edge I hada upgrade to 2.4 last night to use forms.. server stuff i am more leary about requiring the latest stable release of things Vee2d2: you *had* to? what went wrong? as we didn't mean to break 2.2 support using 2.2 gave, DB000: self.containerFrame.Show() DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/windows.py", line 437, in Show DB000: val = apply(windowsc.wxWindow_Show,(self,) + _args, _kwargs) DB000: TypeError: wxWindow_Show() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given) hrm Action: jcater thought that was fixed earlier this week Vin careful or they will start to like you about as much as they like me jcater / jamest watch out i think the QA team just multiplied ;) don't worry I just upgraded my bat Action: revDeke notes if you can submit a bug and the answer by jcater is hrm you need the jcater/jamest politeness dictionary edition 4 ok, that bug fixed hrm = how the hell can you possibly break stuff in such vile ways... can't you go away and come back sometime when im not in irc... i hate when you find crap like this, as im compelled to find the problem, but would rather be eating donuts and if my answer is "ah" that means "Sorry... that doesn't affect me so I could care less" hmm.. I just completely bustulated my wireless net.. "oh" == "Must be an i18n incompatability Action: Vee2d2 gets hammer :) "sigh" == "That bug is the result of an earlier bug fix" a blank non reponse == dail 911 and hide in the bomb shelter its getting ugly Vee: please note i am out of range of any ballistics they currently possess but dallas is likely in range from memphis "report it to DCL" == "It's really low on my priority list.. I'm hoping you'll forget about it" Action: jcater drives thru dallas every couple of months I need to meet Vee2d2 for dinner one of my trips Vee: for clarification I can afford coffee? dinner==dunkin donuts? was that a question of a statement? "I need to meet Vee2d2 for dinner one of my trips" == i need a good excuse to escape the in-laws roflmao how'd you guess? actually, he's 5 or so hrs from my inlaws TX is a big-ass state i think thats the 'recommended safe distance' a husband should be from his wife's family at least 5hrs I'm a good 24 hours travel time from my mom-in-law Action: revDeke just dropped into weigh in on case problem and say hey i have to cruise bbl Vee (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) left irc: "later.." reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There is no war against terrorism. War is always against people." so what did we come up with on the case sensitive thing Action: jamest is eager to exploit jbailey Action: jbailey wants be exploited we had 2 different needs right? 1) For case insensitivity to work a way to flag the db driver that a field should be case sensitice 2) To not loko like fools when it's slow (and a gnue.conf setting to shut it down - I vote default is off) :) and a field= queryField= attributes is that right? I think so (those are two solutions to similar problems... not mutually exclusive) so adding both options is acceptable ? Action: jamest votes yip Does queryField assume uppercase? nope How does the transform get applied? that's external to the query it'd be done via the app inserting updating the data at least if I understand jcater's need properly Even if that app is forms? yip you'd have to define a trigger Ah, okay. and have the query field hidden and set to upper on any change to the masta but that wouldn't be a function of forms itself as your field="name" queryField="sysadminName" so you put jbailey in name and the trigger uppercase/prepends/whatever to the hidden queryField I need food like sysadminName = "fsking-user-named-%s" % queryField er like sysadminName = "fsking-user-named-%s" % name wtf is jamest talking about? anyone know? I sure the hell don't your queryField how it'd populate I'm saying that's not part of the queryField="" attributes job ah right all that attribute does is substitue the normal field name for the queryField name when building the query so to populate that field during data entry your app has to do it yes damn, it's time for another lobotomy, I'm understandning jcater again *blink* I'm still missing it. What format does the queryfield promise to be in? What do I have to do to it? (the data to get tested against that) you do nothing against it Or does the user also have to have a trigger there? all you do is when building the query s/fieldName/queryFieldName well other than that you don't worry about it we probably need a queryCase="..." as well as case="..." (I don't see a *case="..." in the proposal) case='..' is part of a gffield Ah, it's currently there? I missed that then. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. Yurik (~yrashk@nv.donetsk.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. re Action: Yurik is listening for Rammstein esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: hi hello Vee2d2: you been trying out gnue-sb in 0.5.0 ? any papo team here? CKG (~ckg@cable95ucr.cybercable.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. Hellow hi Thank you for answer.. I am a Perl Developer.. And a BaaN ERP Developer Allways i have been looking for some tools similar to baan but open source.. GNUe is what i was looking for,, Is there a way that i help you?. we're always looking for help we're almost %100 python code But i just know to program in Perl as an open source language.. but anyone that can do perl can learn python :) we're sure to need help w/ the application level stuff too are there many differences. right now we're working on the development tools (common, forms, designer, reports, appserver) Is there a way to do something in Perl?.. we need people that can take these tools and make useful business apps (like Vee2d2 and derek are doing in gnue-sb and the papo team is doing) Perl is an special tool for reports.. or your standard is python and would not prefer to use other language.. sorry for my english.. i live in Mexico.. our preference is python but we would like to see our trigger system support other languages this would require someone that could do python and the other language to implement That is great..so i can use perl to help you.. but python should not scare someone away as it's so simple an example of python >>> name="ckg" >>> print "Hello there %s" % name Hello there ckg > it sounds has it is simple... Where can i start to learn more about python and then i can help you in GNUe?. www.python.org >> class hello: ... def __init__(self,name): ... print "hello %s" % name ... def bye(self,name): ... print "bye %s" % name ... >>> foo = hello('ckg') hello ckg >>> foo.bye('ckg') bye ckg >>> jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. the python tutorial is an excellent start it's on the site wtg mentioned quack [18:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). moo ello erm, baaaaaah! Action: chillywilly is learning perl bleeeeep chillywilly: yo! python is way more readable than perl ;) chillywilly: perl is an evil evil language now now perl is a powerfull language Action: chillywilly takes the "no comment" route once you've learnt it it's like youve crossed to the dark side or something =) and you can make even a C coder weep at the syntax jamest: I write perl like C havoc: no obfuscated perl contest entries ;) ? perl is readonly chillywilly: nope, if it's not readable it's useless yeah but i can still never remember what the $_ is or the $@ or .... ..... ..... .... .... wtg: that is not hard to remember it's not hard to remember after all, doesn't _ make perfect sense? havoc: My perl is like C to the point where I usually have a sub main =) but it something you want to forget ;)? havoc: As a side effect, my code all works under mod_perl. =) CKG: pay no attention to them we constaintly have to give others a hard time (in jest, unless it's derek, then you can just give him a hard time) jbailey: I just use a very C-like structure for all my code hehe, poor masta Action: jcater doesn't miss C at all Neither do I. me either C++ has been so good to me. =) c++ is good enough :) nor me at least with c++ you do memory management in one place granted, C code does have it's use for example writing a kernel? embedded systems? C written on toilet paper would make me happy HEH haha chillywilly: I want to redo much of the Hurd in C++. =) I was lookin for a language that works for the web, do some graphics development, runs in character, multiplatform and with a lot libraries for XML and Perl is good for me.. but i can learn python.. jbailey: good luck ;) jbailey: I suppose you can go for c++ bindings to the various libs chillywilly: Reimplementation of the libs. Well, of the ones I need. Most of them are substantively different once you consider OO. what's the point of remimplementing them? Also Thomas really objects to anything that permits C++ to load in the C code. and now you also can gte binary incompatibility in yuour kernel ;) woohoo like if someon compiles a tramslator with a different gcc I will see the python site and learn something about this language but if you have some bindings to perl please let us know in your site.. we have no such thing! Thank you for your time... unless you wish to write it :) chillywilly: There are no significant deviations from the ABI at this point. CKG (~ckg@cable95ucr.cybercable.net.mx) left irc: "Aplicación Saliendo" jbailey: yea but lots of ppl still use 2.95.x chillywilly: Then they're morons. ok... Seriously, it's a totally unsupported compiler at this point. And it has bugs that cause bad code generation in some cases. true dat I mean g++ 3.x is a LOT better (corner cases, but significant ones) I mean even in the C code. well yea I know but I don't care about C all that much ;) the C++ 2.95 compiler isn't standards compliant, so I'm not worried about it. It would just plain refuse to compile most of my code. =) I can get it to compile mine either I would refuse to compile most of your code too I prefer apt-get can't* heh isn't 2.95 the default for debian ? and why is it if it's so bad ? it's not everything is being rebuilt with 3.x in unstable there's a massive effort to make the switch http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3480477688.html i c I am going to use this article... ;) jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. vin_ (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. vin_ (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection vin_ (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. vin_ (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) aaron_ (coyote@msp-24-163-193-174.mn.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. aaron___ (coyote@msp-24-163-193-174.mn.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection aaron_ (coyote@msp-24-163-193-174.mn.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection aaron___ (coyote@msp-24-163-193-174.mn.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. wtg (~merlinx@ppp250.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "You ain't got debian you ain't got shit!" jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise. 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Action: derek finds it humorous that jcater is asking for patches via charmin re: C written on toilet paper would make me happy Action: jcater prefers Cottonelle Trebor (~trebor@cpe-024-211-034-237.carolina.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit but I'll accept it on charmin if that's all the patcher can do roflmao Action: derek thinks we need to add that to the FAQ on how to submit patches you might want to note that you only want code and nothing else on the tissue when submitting ;) wtg (~merlinx@ppp384.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) joined #gnuenterprise. good point you jest but during a direct mailing campaign we got an "interesting" return in the mail Action: jcater will leave it at that but given the conversation, I'm sure you can put 2 and 2 together dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: HEH hi dsmith ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl1-27.citlink.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" anyone know how to access a usb compactflash card reader in linux? jcater: I bet you guys have seen some pretty interesting things returned.. havoc: The boss does. I haven't. you need the usb-storage module, iirc. it is loaded I just don't know what the device is havoc: Do you have devfs nm, found it sda1 Should be a dos format drive chillywilly: Good Evening. dsmith: mount -t dos ? vfat prolly nope *shurg* $mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/card/ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems you need to specifiyt he partition don't you ;) try w/o -t ? specify /dev/sda1 not sda right sda1 doh, typo heheh too tired, brain no worky havoc: I can get that without the tired. I wanna no if this works with gnu/linux -> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2073476039 know* dsmith: heh :) chillywilly: Probably. I think you will need that scsi over ide emulation thing right... Stoke (~stoker@ppp238.tc-2.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. but it's pcmcia...so I dunno what else that involves is there a ide-scsi pcmcia module? chillywilly: The boss had one of those working too, till it broke. chillywilly: a pcmcia cd burner I think I am gonna get the 850MHz cpu... chillywilly: It looked like ide, but you needed to scsi-fy it for cdrecord $155 for a little bitty chip... http://www.theoemzone.com/search_result.asp?product_id=SL53L&title=INTEL%20PENTIUM%20III%20850%20MPGA-2%20LAPTOP%20CPU%20-%20SL53L I wish I could find one being sold by someone on ebay I could get it for cheap then ;) I saw a 600 hmmm, not the right style... blah oy, they are trying to rape ppl with these prices too Stoke_ (~stoker@ppp289.tc-1.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) http://slashdot.org/articles/03/03/07/0234251.shtml?tid=136&tid=106&tid=123 heheh how dumb could they get "oooo.... set's sue, um, one of the biggest patent holders with one of the deepest pockets" s/set/let Action: jcater is so glad he's finally completely migrated off of SCO yeah, this is like *me* trying to sue M$ morons "Children in cars cause accidents, accidents in cars cause children" rofl I think this is sco/caldera/whoevertheyare's last hoorah.. as someone pointed out on /. SCO's market cap is only around $100Mill IBM could buy them and sink them for 10% of what they are suing for Vee2d2: heh, I just said that to someone I was talking to about it Action: jcater is just happy he finally got http://linux-abi.sf.net working for him a year ago I would imagine the backlash from the market will come to bite them pretty hard. it's funny... that SCO-emulated debian system stayed up for 240-ish days only went down when the HD crashed the SCO machine that it replaced.... well, let's just say crontab included an "init 6" command hehe with OpenServer they had this horrible license management daemon to make sure you were legal that would go down, bringing the entire kernel down jcater: you see on slasdot they guy who's like saying that they should take this energy and create a working product ;) Action: jcater shudders at the old memories ick I hope they go bankrupt I hope IBM counter sues them into oblivion or they tie them up in court forever sucking every penny they have I hope they sink before someone like M$ buys their patent portfolio true dat hah eh, they both suck actually ;) IBM is a software patenting bastard too yeah I don't think too much of IBM either but at least IBM isn't gasping for it's last breath right now and trying to bring everyone down with them yea, there's no glory at Caldera nobility rather and IBM has the cool commercials.. they're trying to make it real ugly hehe Action: chillywilly had the "IBM eservers runnin Linux" thing going through his head for the last few minutes 23:17 < jcater> with OpenServer they had this horrible license management daemon 23:17 < jcater> to make sure you were legal 23:17 < jcater> that would go down, bringing the entire kernel down 23:17 < chillywilly> jcater: you see on slasdot they guy who's like saying that they should take this energy and create a working product ;) 23:17 * jcater shudders at the old memories 23:18 < chillywilly> ick 23:18 < chillywilly> I hope they go bankrupt 23:18 < chillywilly> I hope IBM counter sues them into oblivion 23:19 < chillywilly> or they tie them up in court forever sucking every penny they have 23:19 < jcater> I hope they sink before someone like M$ buys their patent portfolio woops blah Action: chillywilly slap himself I guess the new kb is working good? "The servers! Where are all the servers!" that was operator error idiot behind keyboard dumbass chillywilly he's such a dumbass ain't he? --- Fri Mar 7 2003