were you waiting for an argument? Action: jcater ducks no any response will do Action: chillywilly looks at his clock and notices it is was wrong way* http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2826587.stm how would you like to be the programmer that caused that? it was probably running windows ;) reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. it's not the machines fault....he just needed to install a better OS ;) yea.. poor laptop morning reinhard reinhard: we'll be doing releases of forms/common/designer soon (a week or two) do you want a point release of appserver at the same time? I'll be doing a non-major release of reports at the same time good morning it depends on whether i can get hold of siesel until then i have some points i have to decide w/ him before any further release of appserver because this decision could break compatibility and i don't want a release and break it a week afterwards ok no biggie just let us know however i saw siesel commiting things so it seems he's still alive yeah you'll be the first one to know ;-) integrator Action: jcater is really wanting to take some time to work w/you guys to align common with appserver and vice-versa but life isn't letting me I have to sleep now though later all jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. 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GNUe Forms and Designer 0.5.0 around the corner... time to start crunching bugs and testing hm sounds good jcater? sleeping, surely :) lupo (~lupo@Aff40.pppool.de) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-246.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "War is never a solution." jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. gresco (~gresco@200.81.193.173) joined #gnuenterprise. hi howdeeee! is this channel about %100 enterprise or may I ask gnu related questions too? #gnu seems to be death we talk about goats, so I think anything goes really.. goats are already free what's the next step? =) I was just thinking about free software and I wanted to ask this: could it be that free software represents just another way to finance the development of technology? gresco: yes and no indirectly think of roads people pay taxes and governments build roads why? because if private industry people were left to build roads critical roads would not be built OR if they were built they would laden with extremely high tariffs to use them by those that didnt build them and the generally economy would suffer i think that web servers and operating systems have hit this 'infrastructure' level i.e. Information Technology now has pieces that are 'common grounds' the payment part is what is odd as generally free software doesnt collect a tax and their design would be patented and there's be lawsuits of patent infringment for this bridge or that turnabout or... =/ rather the 'citizens' pay tax by writing, testing and using Action: derek has to go to work but im in process of writing a paper how free software is like a sewer system, road etc in its infrastructure like qualities and how if governments were to 'adopt' it how much more the economy would flourish but work calls :( Action: derek would much rather be a philosopher for a living ;) Action: derek is away: work derek: DARPA sponsors reiserfs. I think it have already adopted it. now, who does control the access to the roads and where do they take us? I dont like roads. I dont like cars, trucks, planes (well, planes might be cool), trains, etc.. There must be a better method of logistics waiting to be exploited. I'm not sure where will take us the roads that DARPA builds. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mornin jcater morning Nick change: cw-zzZZzzZZ -> chillywilly hey, it's not noon yet, chillywilly. Action: chillywilly is trying to break that habit mother freakin' A we got more snow @#$%^& 09:05 < Vee2d2> There must be a better method of logistics waiting to be exploited. teleportation ;) beam me up Vee2d2 ! I'm not holding my breath for that one. bah no imagination... seriously.. I use to think about this a lot while commuting 55 miles each way, taking anywhere from 45m to 2-3hrs each way. dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Vee2d2: may be you should modify the system in which you are living. 'have jackhammer, will travel.' =) chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. Any of you happen to know the logic behind 'Old Sku' in the item schema of gnue-sb? I'm guessing it was to be used where you had a new product which replaced an old and so you could reference the old# in that field. Yurik (~yrashk@nv.donetsk.ua) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. And the mighty chillywilly awakens eh? I've been awake about an hour my fonts are still kinda goofy in my konsole and its pissing me off and reconnecting for a bit Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello hi yo tu? I am getting crappy transfer rates from subversions cvs up essentially stalled there forever the net is afu this am chillywilly: kill and restart just did it's just sitting there forever danielb@frodo:~/software/src/cvs/gnue$ cvs up ... Action: chillywilly retries one more time gawd I hate AA fonts in a terminal mommy make it stop! ;) havoc: you get more snow? yeah a few inches I thought today was supposed to be sunny and 38F ? yea that's a few more inches I have to shovel now I dunno I don't ever watcht eh news or weather the* news == http://linuxtoday.com ;) gresco (~gresco@200.81.193.173) left irc: "I´m lost in your hair" ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-246.citlink.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "restarting X" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi Stu dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Bye :)" revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2: old sku remember gnue-sb started as implemenation for someone specific they had a system all ready er already well they had product numbers already (no real system) one thing they wanted was a "reference" field so if a user called up and said i own product X i want to buy another they coudl lookup by old SKU and get new product out Action: revDeke at that time figured this wasnt an 'all bad' thing to leave for everyone as anyone with existing numbers likely could have similar dilemma if others feel it stupid i can remove it from form and maybe just leave in the table so people can 'add' as they need w/ minimal effort remember that form inparticular needs massive overhaul jcater: thanks for clarification on the mail re: win32 drivers Action: revDeke figured was worth trying to recruit help for btami (testing wise, as likely we will be limited help there) the SAP-DB i suggested as he said he was using XP ah I missed that part :) I need to run for a few jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "reboot" Action: revDeke needs to run as well Vee2d2: reply and i will catch in log revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Chen (~chris@pD9EE4069.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There is no war against terrorism. War is always against people." Isomer (dahoose@port-210-54-58-151.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Isomer (dahoose@port-210-54-58-151.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@195.228.11.18) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" FWIW: if a form blows up on you with DB000: AttributeError: wxDialog instance has no attribute 'SetMenuBar' ok, the problem is in the form

any form with a name is concidered a dialog this is because fscking wx can't do modal windows only dialogs so the main form has to have a name="__main__" which is the default if left off I'll try and figure out a way over the weekend to pawn this off on jason, er mean handle this better hehe Action: jcater still wonders if we should' Action: jcater still wonders if we should've done a

that inherits all the properties of a , but still is its own being ? I'm lost internally they are all just forms are you saying that was a bad thing? no nevermind Action: jcater is tired :) this issue is a wx thing there didn't seem to be a way to make modal wxPanel's so you're forced into wxDialog which doesn't support toolbars, etc might be able to add the missing features to an inherited wxGNUeDialog forget I spoke I'm tired and no donuts today so can't think straight no donuts!?!?!? mine were stale, but I ate one anyway.. =/ goodness man! and you're still typing? bedtime for me, 'gnight all btami (~btami@195.228.11.18) left irc: pattieja_ (~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. aa (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-84-19.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all just one question, is it alright for common/src/dbdrivers/_dbsig to be empty on the CVS? has the _dbsig driver been moved? where to? (or is aa rubbing the cvs the wrong way?) I dont even have a common/src/dbdrivers it's common/src/datasources/drivers ? pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) left irc: Connection timed out try cvs up -Pd which should prune those unneeded directories me or Vee2d2? you aa I already do.. =) :) But i'm looking at a fresh checkout... i think a fresh checkout carries the empty dirs out as previous versions had stuff there the -Pd cleans things up ah, ok. well, i think the -P does the purge and -d adds any new dirs was _dbsig moved or removed? moved but it's become such a mabit for me I don't recall the details :) moved habit even to datasources/drivers/DBSIG2 iirc yes mabit? sounds like a rabid rabbit silly mabit, gnue is for ..... goats? ah, tks no prob lot's of moving lately, i see almost didn't recognise common/src :) jason got giggy with it in common jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: what's giggy? Action: aa imagines jason dancing the jig all over common Nick change: pattieja_ -> pattieja Download Welcome to File Cauldron! You are downloader number 73,131,065 of 73,137,408 waiting in line. Your download will begin somewhere around December 13 in the year 2026 . aa (~anthony@ADSL-200-59-84-19.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" brb.. out for a walk ToyMan (~stuq@glvv-dsl2-246.citlink.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) left irc: "later.." jcater_ (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm I have a tail evolution in reverse jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater pattieja (~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) joined #gnuenterprise. na na na na na naaaa gettin' jiggy wit it jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jamest hello chillywilly how goes the job hunt? well...I have an "interview" on Sunday ;) cool I suppose there's no point in keeping it secret and he can thwap me if he wants but I am probably going to do some work for havoc gack I'm sorry Action: jcater ducks I'm not I heard SCO is hiring yeek! I can hack their unix and make it run.... dunno why I'd want to do that ;) huge legacy installation base? yeah, but what kind of freak runs SCO anyway? i mean really it's non-free but to steal all their cutomers and get them running debian only really, really sick people would do that best* you know what I mean? ja Action: jcater thwaps jamest what? was it something I said? Action: jamest runs sick donut eatin' ppl chillywilly: that could be a good consulting gig installing a sco-emulation debian machine for ppl w/legacy apps does SCO reallt suck that bad? it's not too hard to do really* but it's no where near apt-get install easy um considering they aren't supported ya unsupported closed-source software is a horrible thing to have I suppose it does suck closed-source sucks enough add unsupported to it and Action: jcater shudders so do you still have SCO UNIX around? no moved our SCO apps to a debian + linux-abi.sf.net install last spring what SCO app are used? iow, they are running under sco emulation on a debian machine :) Oracle SQL-Forms soon to be replaced by GNUe Forms but not a drop-in replacement :( dude how hard can it be an afternoon porting the forms over and you're done Action: jamest runs even faster Action: jcater thwaps jamest what does oracle forms have that gnue forms doesn't? um stability bah, who needs that ;) a different trigger structure a few more canned options in some places a few less in others except for input masks from what I remember of ora*forms we can smoke the version jcater uses and good curses support we are far beyond my sql-doema line art sql-forms but we have a few missing features yeah like a PL/SQL --> Python translator as far as our master/detail support we destroy them our trigger language destroys them as pl/sql isn't python :) our extensibility destroys them yeah we support more database backends than they do :) hehe Action: jamest recalls relinking the runtime executables to add functionality to sql*forms Action: jamest shudders ooooo thier popup selectors on a field rocks you could basically assign your library sample doesn't have master-detail in it does it? my library sample doesn't have any forms in it Action: jcater was hoping to rectify that this weekend select key, a, bunch, of, fields from foo, bar where blah blah to any field on the form I know but when I looked at the schema I didn't see any key linking the tables either then a function key would popup a dialog with that in it arrow down and select the key you want in the field library sample? master-detail is a on to many link? one* yes sql-forms allow you to easily do master block -> detail block anything beyond that required a bunch of custom trigger work gnue-forms allows master block -> detail block(s) -> detail block(s) -> detail....->detail....->etc->etc->........................ sql*forms wouldn't let you query on any detail it'll follow all keys? easily do? like at any depth it didn't easily do master -> detail anything it had a wizard that created a shit-load of custom triggers automatically but ever have to maintain those and it stunk that wizard always worked for single master/detail in gnue-forms you can put query values in any blocks you like it builds the dependency tree and works it's way up farscape is on Action: jamest is really happy with forms i just wish more people understood what you can do with it V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: documentation ;) i know it's part of the 0.5.0 feature plan well 0.5.x too much stuff was changing to do prior to 0.5.x Action: jcater sometimes thinks documentaiton is a strawman not saying it's not important by any means HAHAHA!! WHAT A PRICELESS QUOTE! on farscape Action: chillywilly has seen this ep and next week also one more left :( man I'd like to kick scifi in the head V_laptop: share to cre? err care to share? HEH hehe, beer o'clock I love that V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) "never doubt your dominar again" V_laptop (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" "Bill Gates couldnt guarantee windows, what makes you think I'm gonna believe you can guarantee my safety?" lol dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Stoke_ (~stoker@ppp23.tc-22.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: V_laptop -> Vee damn.. now she has hiccups you should try to scare her "Honey, I invested your college money in SCO" she's only 9mo. just smiled dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1c-203.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "[x]chat" lol from QT3 documentation: Warning: This function cannot be trusted. can I add something similar to designer's README Warning: This tool cannot be trusted. fixe (~fixe@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "Client exiting" Just repeat after me... ____ / \ | | [23:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). S (% O S "One beeeellion dollars!" | )( | | `' __|_____ \ -==(____ \__ \____/(_D) (_D) (_D)_ ___ / / (_; Deja vu, anyone? ;) rofl someone on the north texas lug list posted that dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-147-83.mad.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" --- Sat Mar 8 2003