Action: jemfinch can't figure out if it's a bug in SQLite or if that's really how big the file should be. I know there tends to be a lot of overhead with dbs but I dont know if that's the norm, and I've got 0 experience with sqlite if I inserted another 2.5Mb of data and the database file size doubled, I'd be worried if not, I'm sure it's just the initial footprint of the database aaron_ (coyote@msp-24-163-193-174.mn.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jcater: I inserted 2.5MB of data and the database became 40mb. jcater: which seems odd to me. I really don't know the specifics of sqlite so I don't know what kind of overhead it has I do know it saves data in "pages", so it always writes, e.g., 1K at a time that' that's about all I know about its storage if you're concerned with the file size, you might want to email the sqlite mailing list with your scenario and ask them if that seems reasonable or not yeah, I sent a mail to the PySQLite email list. I didn't see a mailing list for SQLite. kreiszner (kreiszner@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning Kenneth. =) morning Vee2d2: Do you physically exist in Texas kreiszner: most of the time. =) where just north east of fort worth you're south of alexandria, a bit? I am from the Alexandria, LA area but I often travel in TX What sort of training is it you do? Sales a little bit and Training on Portable Gas Chromatographs used for Air analysis interesting How did you know I was south of AEX your signature. =) I had to look at the map, because I was curious where Lecompte was. jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "sleep" I am faily uneducated about irc how do you bring that up We visit Bossier City fairly often. But that doesnt seem much closer to you than it is to me. =) Oh, I was looking at a map I have here. No I mean how did you get Lecompte I think I plugged in Lecompte, La and your zip into mapquest.com, actually. From your signature when you sent mail to the gnue-sb list. Kenneth D. Reiszner, Ph.D. President REAL, Inc. P.O. Box 709 Lecompte, LA 71346 OK =) I am going to be making a trip to I think Dublin, Ok on the 19th this mth. and will be taking I20 to Dallas then up in direction of Oklahoma city probably I35'ing it into OkC.. I will probably be in Oklahoma then, as well. quite a ways south west of OkC though.. My parents live in a small town north west of Lawton. k who do you work for, the garment people? I take it you do a lot of travelling? I work out of my house, for myself. travel? not much lately I do more work in the Beaumont Houston area than anywhere else I have also been manufacturing a Badge for monitoring Vinyl Chloride for over 20 yr but that business is declineing now reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. morning reinhard Action: derek is back (gone 07:19:49) done yet, derek? no :( Action: Vee2d2 is attempting to stay distracted.. =) Action: derek just cleaned out two file cabinets completely I'm not that far yet.. gutted several years worth of paper (we are on a clean / purge binge around the house lately) I hafta clean up my spreadsheets first, then I empty my cabinets and verify my data.. just down to last 3 small stacks then i will be ready for tomorrow to enter into gnucash all 2003 transactions to date and double check all tax documents i collected tonight for 2002 good monring hi reinhard good morning reinhard business comes in waves.. either there's not much going on, or there's a ton going on.. I need better infrastructure to keep up with it, even when I'm busy. ok i think im done fliing for the night and now its darn near bed time grrrrrrrr it's only 1 man reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "War doesn't solve problems. War creates problems." fixe (~fixe@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone know what might cause this error when running gnue-forms: File "./gnue-forms", line 40, in ? from gnue.forms.GFClient import * or this when running gfcvs File "/Users/adam/gnue/gnue-cvs-2003-03-09/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 34, in ? from gnue.common.apps.GClientApp import * i have wrestled with my PATH and PYTHONPATH for hours to no avail i get similar errors with designer this is on OS X btw can you spit out a better error message? no much better, one sec Traceback (most recent call last): File "./gnue-forms", line 40, in ? from gnue.forms.GFClient import * File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 39, in ? from gnue.common.GClientApp import * File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GClientApp.py", line 33, in ? from GBaseApp import GBaseApp File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GBaseApp.py", line 45, in ? locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.2/lib/python2.2/locale.py", line 372, in setlocale return _setlocale(category, locale) locale.Error: locale setting not supported thats gnue-forms you from United States? yeah hmmm looks to bbe ann i18n problem Action: derek hasnt jerked witht that much hmmm what distro you using? this is OS X 10.2 hmmm what version of wxwindows sorry for asking about distro, forgot earlier you stated OS X wxpython 2.4.0.4 np hmmmm i have installed everything imaginable and even compiled to GTK this time File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GBaseApp.py", line 45, in ? locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') is the prooblem cuz i didnt get as far with wxmac its passing '' for a locale my machine is upgrading and so ist slow will look in a minute did i leave something out in a wx build config? i dont think so actually this looks like maybe python isnt installed properly try to do this python then in python shell do import locale tell me what happens ok nothing happens. ok now do print locale.getdefaultlocale() and tell me what it returns hmmm Guido got a hold of a OS X box and ran the test suite on it and found four tests that didn't pass. One was for ``locale`` (which Guido didn't care about), another was the ``test_largefile`` test, another was for ``re``, and the last one was for ``socket``. related maybe? likely http://lwn.net/Articles/18389/ # no need for LC_ALL on win2k and XP with this variant i get ['en_US', 'ISO8859-1'] this comment in our code makes me nervous in sense looks like locale stuff is platform dependentt fixe: i could be WAY off base as well arturas or ra3vat are ones to ask if it is i18n issue (locale) can you run same thing you did before (to execute a form) only add --debug-level 50 er --debug-level 20 Action: derek needs sleep bbl Action: derek is away: sleep i get a similar result so here is gfcvs --debug-level 20 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/adam/gnue/gnue-cvs-2003-03-09/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 34, in ? from gnue.common.apps.GClientApp import * File "/Users/adam/gnue/gnue-cvs-2003-03-09/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/apps/GClientApp.py", line 33, in ? from gnue.common.apps.GBaseApp import GBaseApp File "/Users/adam/gnue/gnue-cvs-2003-03-09/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/apps/GBaseApp.py", line 45, in ? locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.2/lib/python2.2/locale.py", line 372, in setlocale return _setlocale(category, locale) locale.Error: locale setting not supported fixe: try to comment that line in which file? # locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') in GBaseApp.py hehehe i think it worked! This GNUe tool requires mxDateTime to be installed You can find the mxDateTime at http://www.lemburg.com/files/python/mxDateTime.html now i need to instsall that thanks btami! nothing :) i'v learned from you, that locale is platform specific cool i got mxdatetime installed. now to learn to use this thing Action: fixe is happy there is a Developers-Guide.sxw in forms doc dir yeah i read it, thanks i am having trouble with gnue-designer still. it looks like it is using wxmac instead of wxgtk even though i compiled wxpython for gtk hmmmm, maybe i should recompile again kreiszner (kreiszner@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) left irc: "Client exiting" Action: Isomer ponders where ajmitch has got to I think gtk2 might have killed him heh what does a FOREIGN KEY statement do? btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Remote closed the connection Action: Vee2d2 tumbles to bed wtg (~merlinx@ppp384.qld.padsl.internode.on.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jemfinch (~jfincher@ts29-8.homenet.ohio-state.edu) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jemfinch (~jfincher@ts24-15.homenet.ohio-state.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Be like a postage stamp-- stick to one thing until you get there. --Josh Billings (1818-1885) American writer and humorist ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Morning ToyMan good mornin g jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mawn'in jamest howdy neighbor nice weather we're having isn't it? splendid, it is. so any bug reports on the conversion to 0.5.x I've been doing nothing but try to get everything in order for my cpa to crunch taxes jemfinch (~jfincher@ts24-15.homenet.ohio-state.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mornin jcater dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. morning Howdy howdy esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. hola senor esv commo es usted? muy bien gracias y usted? aunque enrealidad deberias de usar ... conme estas? s/conme/como/ ;) hi, morning all Action: derek speak as much spanish as my first two lines :) and a little 'dirty' stuff Action: derek lives in phoenix so just north of mexico morning I had no idea one of my worker's name was "Hor Hey" for 6 years, we all called him "George".. stupid gringo Action: chillywilly had to sleep in a little bit...I've been feeling like crap lately Vee2d2: lol that is funny dude I would have never known but one day he got a call, and the guy was asking for "Hor Hey" and I told him he must have the wrong number and he real abruptly said, "I *think* *you* call him George" well, I met some guys from asia while being in Nebraska and all them "adopted" english names, they said it would be easier for everyone and that they would not hear their names pronounced correctly anyway. heheh just call me Bob nah we'll call you Donut His wife worked with us too.. Maria.. I think we had 12 Maria's working there ar one point ;) well, a friend and I also had similar experiences while working at IBM GS. jcater: I think you should change your nick permanently to donutboy in honor of the almighty donut nobosy cares what your real name is anyway ;) nobody Jimmy Carter? chilly: thats why Hor Hey picked up George. hor hey isn't hard to say no but it's not obvious that's how Jorge is pronounced if you donut know spanish I agree, but would we say it correctly? I doubt. esv: You ever work wilt Rick Malinak or Andrew Clark at ibm? nop hey, I did not know PAPO was based on GNUe, cool! reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. jemfinch (~jfincher@ts33-13.homenet.ohio-state.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jemfinch (~jfincher@ts33-13.homenet.ohio-state.edu) left irc: Client Quit jemfinch (~jfincher@ts33-13.homenet.ohio-state.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M690P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "War is never a solution." Whew! I think I've cleaned up enough table space to start pulling files and checking records what do you guys use to read your xml files ? gnue-common has an xml parser uses the python SAX2 libraries hmm i c Stoke (~stoker@ppp225.tc-22.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Stoke_ (~stoker@ppp191.tc-2.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Stoke_ (~stoker@ppp158.tc-1.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Stoke (~stoker@ppp225.tc-22.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) has anyone seen this error? i get it when i try to run gnue-designer DB000: Traceback (most recent call last): DB000: File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-designer", line 43, in ? DB000: Designer().run() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/designer/Designer.py", line 97, in __init__ DB000: self.getConnectionManager().setLoginHandler(UIwxpython.UILoginHandler()) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/UIdriver.py", line 1239, in __init__ DB000: self._wxapp = getWxApp() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/UIdriver.py", line 102, in getWxApp DB000: __wxApp = GFwxApp(0) DB000: File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.2/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/wx.py", line 1809, in __init__ DB000: _wxStart(self.OnInit) DB000: TypeError: OnInit should return a boolean value revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sysadmins help ;) trying to do a network install of debian (from floppy) have done several time from CD have rescue disk, root disk and 4 driver disks if i throw in rescue disk it comes up to boot prompt i hit enter and it procedes to ask for root disk i put that in (and it wants 5 disks?) i only have one root disk first time i left root disk in and hit enter over and over second time when asked for next disk i put in driver disk1 then 2, 3, 4 and either way it gets a fixe: cvs head? revDeke: the netinstall boot disk contains support for a ton for NICs. You typically don't need the other disks Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel jamest: i just grabbed 'standard' of all disks does MySQL 4.0 support subselects? Action: revDeke didn tknow there was a netinstall boot disck jemfinch: no, not to my knowledge revDeke: all you should need is the the boot disk and the root disk that's all I've needed anyway however installing over the net can be painfully slow jamest: no this is 0.4.3 tarball i have a cvs nightly build tho, i will test it again jamest: im ok with slow I've found it faster to crack the case and attach an ide cv-rom but if i just use the rescue and root what am i doing wrong? at boot: do i need to do somethign other than hit enter? i don't know i didn't think so but I've got a meeting to prep for in about an hour this is woody 3.0r1 no problem jcater you around so I really don't have time to help at the moment or jamest can you make it so the irc cgi can get me into #debian rev: there should be an option to netinstall esv will try that revD: at least there is one with rh ;) Action: esv reading IBM CHRP network install HOWTO (Debian) esv: debian netinstalls rock i just have never done with floppies always had a cdrom that worked If you are booting from the rescue floppy or from CD-ROM you will be presented with the boot prompt, boot:. Details about how to use boot parameters with the rescue floppy can be found in Booting from Floppies, Section 5.3. If you are booting from an exist jemfinch (~jfincher@ts33-13.homenet.ohio-state.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) from the installation manual esv: revDeke doesn't do manuals esv/jcater actually i have install manual open it agrees with jamest in that it should be rescue then root then free software lovin but for some reason not all is well in small ville try to find a copy of rescue-nonDN-1_44.bin revDeke: Floppies are very fragile. It's common to make a bad one. revDeke: I'm not saying that's your problem, but it's possible. jcarter: I rather "do" women :P esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" fixe (~fixe@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "Client exiting" how can i append a int onto a str so i get a unique str so i can use it in a for loop ? wtg: (string-append "foo" (number->string 123)) "foo%s" % 123 revDeke (www-data@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)" psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. well i understand that second one alot more =)) thanks both wtg: You didn't specify what language. also: (format #f "foo~a" 123) thanks dsmith ah, phooey Inter Milan have just scored kreiszner (kreiszner@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) joined #gnuenterprise. now newcastle have one back - 2-1 to Newcastle ;-) Action: psu wouldn't normally be supporting Newcastle, but Sunderland have just sacked their second head coach in 5 months Action: psu knows only derek cares about soccer in this channel anyway 2-2 now kreiszner (kreiszner@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater_ (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)) Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater Nick change: esv -> esv_ ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) left irc: "later.." psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. esv_ (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left #gnuenterprise. fixe (~fixe@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. esv_ (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. jemfinch (~jfincher@ts4-16.homenet.ohio-state.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: havoc starts his own software company I need to develop my own OS as the opensource community in *general* is pretty poor (note: "in general") as I'm sure most would agree I can see exactly where those so called "reports" on opensource software's lack of fitness for commercial use come from anyone who cannot at least acknowledge the possibility of flaws within their own software lacks even the most basic engineering skills necessary to produce stable products lack of engineering skills, lack of objectivity, and a complete lack of professionalism is what's really hurting the opensource community :( I wish there was something that could be done about it havoc: all you can do is find the right people in the community to work with, like the commercial software sector, there are professional and unprofessional people fixe: unfortunately that's no good when trying to "sell" others on OpenSource :( *I* can handle it personally but it makes the jobs of convincing others near impossible it's the nature of the beast *I* understand that the morons are the "vocal minority" that comes across as the "majority", but try convincing a business of that :( I am obviously not refering to anyone here sure, but i think it depends a lot on people's preconceptions. i see people day after day using commercial software that is not fit for use. as you all took my objective, dispassionate, remarks for what they were dont get me wrong, i am cool with commercial/closed source software (i use OS X) fixe: I prefer OSS fixe: which is all I use fixe: but my business is converting others to OSS but i think youre right, the community has a lot of work to do fixe: and the "community at large" does not make it an easy job :( and much of it can be solved through interface and cosmetic design I think I'll write an essay on "Engineering, Professionalism and Open Source" havoc: of course, the argument could be made that it's not the community's job to sell to your customers and get flamed by a million ppl :( not that I disagree w/your points, btw it ticks me off too Action: jcater was just observing a lead developer on the gnucash mailing list completely blasting a user really ticked me off jcater: no it's not their job, but the same ppl that are giving me so much grief are the same ppl that whine about business not using opensource jcater: yeah jcater: another example is I spent ~2.5hrs helping someone in #phpfreaks w/ a samba problem yesterday, but today I pointed out that PHP is still relatively young and still has the potential for existing but unknown flaws they had a fit I did not say "PHP sucks" as that would be foolish since I use it :) they are little more than reactionary children I think the key is in recognising the potential for imperfection in one's own works that's what makes a good engineer "objectivity" most of you here seem to have it at least enough where it keeps you from going off half-cocked over a misinterpretation of a dispassionate statement it's just disheartening, sorry for ranting :( sorry to change the subject havoc, but i have the problem plaguing me. i am trying to get gnue-designer working on OS X and i get this error: DB000: Traceback (most recent call last): DB000: File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-designer", line 43, in ? DB000: Designer().run() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/designer/Designer.py", line 97, in __init__ DB000: self.getConnectionManager().setLoginHandler(UIwxpython.UILoginHandler()) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/UIdriver.py", line 1239, in __init__ DB000: self._wxapp = getWxApp() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/UIdriver.py", line 102, in getWxApp DB000: __wxApp = GFwxApp(0) DB000: File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.2/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/wx.py", line 1809, in __init__ DB000: _wxStart(self.OnInit) DB000: TypeError: OnInit should return a boolean value so gnu-e is all wxGTK, right? happens when i compile wxPython for either wxGTK or wxMac Action: havoc will just have to publicly start donating large amounts of money to OSS projects havoc: feel free to donate to me :) hehe j/k fixe: one at a time ;) Action: havoc is not wealthy by any means :( i have also tried using gfdes from the cvs tarball nightly build and i get the same error it seems to me as if most of those working on GNU-e either directly had an engineering education, or have work closely with those who have, is this a reasonable assumption? (or have had almost a decade of experience with software development) jemfinch` (~jfincher@ts4-9.homenet.ohio-state.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jemfinch (~jfincher@ts4-16.homenet.ohio-state.edu) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: jemfinch` -> jemfinch havoc: well it does appear the gnue developers know what they are doing... although with the difficulty i have had with installing wxwindows... i do question that choice :) fixe: we all make bad descisions occasionally ;) wxWindows was a means to an end not a permanent solution I've heard rumblings (on this channel) that QT may have been a better choice Action: jcater is committing an almost complete (usable today) QT3 driver right now jcater: really not permanent? what else might gnue move to? move to? no we are abstracted from that jcater: right, thats what i meant... poor choice of words we have someone working actively on native GTK2, QT3, and Win32 drivers (3 different ppl) jcater: nice QT3 is almost done (I'm the person doing that one :) jcater: will the win32 drivers support PocketPC? initially I don't know I'm just curious as that's a large market in itself Action: jcater hasn't programmed for PocketPC, so don't know the difference