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<Isomer> By Arturas Kriukovas ,  Arturas Kriukovas and Peter Sullivan  and  Peter Sullivan
<Isomer> amusing :)
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<suny> see you
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<Vee2d2> nite
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<Arturas> Hello
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<havoc> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/29717.html
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<havoc> I wonder how difficult it would be to start a competing "micropayment" service
<havoc> and if I were to start one, would honest and ethical conduct be enough to get business?
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<Vee2d2> weee.. busy morning. 
Action: Vee2d2 goes to chomp down on some ribs
<chillywilly> I want some...
<jcater> oink
[12:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
<chillywilly> what is with you and farm animal noises?
<jcater> what is it with you and trout?
<jcater> err, nevermind... don't want to know
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<ds_> hi all
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<ra3vat_> anyone can give me an entry in sources.list for woody updates?
<ra3vat_> for woody itself
<ra3vat_> i've installed it from mini-cd and my sources.list is empty
<jcater> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
<jcater>  deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
<jcater>  deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free 
<ra3vat_> jcater thanks
<jamest> ra3vat: apt-setup
<jamest> will rebuild the base sources.list
<jamest> then your can simply replace the stable with testing or unstable
<dsmith> jamest: Cool.  I didn't know that.
<ra3vat_> oh, great
<jcater> cool
<jcater> I didn't know that
<ra3vat_> thanks and bye
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<revDeke> is there a way to get .deb's out of sid while on woody?
<revDeke> w/o adding apt line and updating?
<revDeke> i.e. is there a place i can download a 'deb'
<revDeke> jcater: perhaps you would be best to ask about this....
<revDeke> say gnue had debs that worked (like dcl ;))
<revDeke> but were only in sid
<revDeke> could we put them on the gnuenterprise.org server
<revDeke> and then add an apt line for that
<revDeke> this way can stay current with a 'product' track w/out having to track unstable?
Action: revDeke needs dcl at work badly and wont run stable/testing on the production box
<revDeke> on ash i just downloaded the .deb to the box and installed it
Action: revDeke can do the same here, but would rather see long term solution
<chillywilly> revDeke: the paackage pool
<chillywilly> revDeke: http://packages.debian.org
<chillywilly> search form will let you search for a  packge and get a link to the deb
<revDeke> chillywilly thanks
<chillywilly> np
<revDeke> any idea about the second part of that question?
<chillywilly> sorry was on the phone at the same time
<chillywilly> you want a way to install an unstable deb with an apt line without dist-upgrading?
<jcater> revDeke: we have a woody debian repository on ash already
<chillywilly> jcater: non-free section is a no no ;)
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<chillywilly> bad jcater 
<jcater> bite me
<jcater> Mr Unlicensed CD Person
<chillywilly> ?
<revDeke> jcater: any chance of getting dcl package in there?
<jcater> hmmm
<jcater> let me add it to my action list for tomorrow
<jcater> *snicker*
<revDeke> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/dcl.html
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<jcater> on meetings
<jcater> and action plans
<revDeke> oh good idea let me send and email to dcl ;)
<jcater> :)
<jcater> that's cool
<revDeke> s/an/and
Action: jcater is filtering dcl emails now
<jcater> so that'll work
<chillywilly> dcl has actions
<chillywilly> actions for the WOs man
<revDeke> okay back to slave pit bbl
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<ra3vat> back home
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<siesel> Hi all!
<chillywilly> siesel!
<siesel> hi chillywilly
<reinhard> hey siesel
<reinhard> you're back for gnue'ing?
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<jamest> siesel?
<reinhard> siesel the most wanted man in the world after osama ;-)
<reinhard> siesel: it seems like appserver doesn't work with rpc since api change
<reinhard> especially "fetch" seems to be the problem
<reinhard> i would be happy if we could talk about some appserver issues in near future
<reinhard> however i've got to go to bed now
<reinhard> night
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<siesel> hi reinhard
<siesel> hmmm, seems I'm a bit slow :(
<siesel> hi jamest
<chillywilly> pokey
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<siesel> night
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<revDeke> need postgres help jamest help :)
<revDeke> when doing a psql load of data im getting errors for life of me i cant capture them to file
<revDeke> psql -o logfile.txt -U username database < loadfile.sql
<revDeke> creates a logfile.txt but it only contains 'successes'
<revDeke> errors spew to console
<revDeke> i tried the -a option as well
<revDeke> and it made 'pretty errors' but still put them on the screen
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<revDeke> btw: i think all errors are date fields :(
<chillywilly> 2>&1 > file ?
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<chillywilly> erm
<chillywilly> > file 2&1
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> > file 2>&1
<chillywilly> tack that on the end once
<revDeke> and i recall some weird ass settings on the rh6.2 postgres for dates
<chillywilly> gotta run
<revDeke> doesnt makes sense
<chillywilly> use shell redirects
<chillywilly> fewl
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> bye
<chillywilly> run postgres in non-interactive mode
<revDeke> sure how
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<Vee2d2> psql -U username database < loadfile.sql>&badbadthings.log should catch those console errors
<Vee2d2> this squeeky chair is about to drive me nuts.. 
<Vee2d2> I've almost drowned it in wd40, too.. 
<Vee2d2> just dont seem to be able to find the right 'spot' to spray it
<revDeke> i dont want to catch errors by self as they are useless
<revDeke> i really need both together
<revDeke> perhaps
<revDeke> psql -U username database <loadfile.sql >badstuff>&1
<revDeke> trying what you put as it makes sense
<revDeke> never had to redirect stderr before :)
<revDeke> crap i have to run
<revDeke> :(
<revDeke> Vee2d2: that worked many thanks
<Vee2d2> np
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<Vee2d2> argg the madness.. 
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<jamest> man
<jamest> is the .deb for dcl broken?
<jamest> it didn't ask for any cnfig info, it doesn't provide any install docs
<jamest> I had to download the tarball 
<jamest> now I'm having to dpkg -L and try and figure out where it put stuff
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<derek> for dcl
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<derek> hi ken
<kreiszner> hello derek
<kreiszner> Its been a long time since I have talke with you
<kreiszner> You helped me set up gnue about a yr ago and were going to help me transfer some Access data but my back did a mumber on me
<kreiszner> and I was practically bedridden for seveal mth.s
<kreiszner> Do you have any idea how long it will be before the basic invoicing pkg for gnue-sb will be ready
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<jcater> derek: I dunno
<jcater> the .deb is pretty useless
<jcater> I installed on a new computer at work
<jcater> and it doesn't do anything
<jcater> other than install source someplace
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<derek> hmm
<derek> its useful if you ever want to upgrade
<derek> the 'auto' config stuff isnt there
<derek> but it puts config file, attachments and scripts logically placed
<derek> so upgrading is no hassle
<derek> basically an apt-get upgrade
<derek> and run one psql dcl < upgrade.sql
<derek> and you are done
<derek> when the config scripts are done it will be gravy
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<wtg> is there anyway to get python to interpret:
<wtg> variable = mydictionary
<wtg> sorry 
<wtg> variable = "mydictionary"
<wtg> variable['someattr'] = "some value"
<wtg> as
<wtg> mydictionary['someattr'] = "some value" ???
<Vee2d2> like an associative array?
<jemfinch> wtg: no.
<jemfinch> but you can say this:
<jemfinch> variable = eval('mydictionary')
<jemfinch> and then use variable like it's mydictionary.
<wtg> hmm ... thanks jemfinch that might just do it =)
<jemfinch> I'm certain it will :)
<jemfinch> it's bad form, though -- eval is bad.
<jemfinch> not that I'm one to talk.
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