jcater: i went to prayer service this morning for just that Action: derek actually was interviewed by the news and boy do i really hope they didnt air it as they caught me off guard and i likely sounded like an idiot lol that that's happened to me before too luckily they didn't air it I was interviewed over race relations in Memphis while walking over to Target for a surprise birthday gift later, fellow freaks jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" ninja (~rossg@203.156.12.120) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2: almost caught up on non gnue-sb email looks like i wont get gnue-sb responses out tonight but hopefully tomorrow cool IsoosI (dahoose@port-210-54-58-37.jet.net.nz) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). 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Isomer (dahoose@port-210-54-58-37.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. hi guys i have a strange problem i finally installed cvs version of gnue when i try a form if the height of an input field is not set i have a line instead of a field shouldn't the default height be 1 when not set?? well... i have found a widgetHeight parameter in gnue.conf but it doesn't seem to be used by forms ... maybe later then... 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Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-222-34.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hello siesel hi wtg lekma: psycopg was preferred but then in debian it had some issues i think now i am back to postgresql has anyone an idea how to make python kill a child process created by the pty.py package? hi derek :) [gnue_sb] comment = GNUe Small Business aliases = gnue_sb provider = postgresql host = localhost dbname = gnue_sb when I just kill python, the child process isn't killed hmmmm you cant kill the child directly with kill -9 processid jamest (~jamest@hilbert.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. i'm testing gnue-sb now and does the following means anything to anybody?? DB000: TypeError: __init__() got multiple values for keyword argument 'connections' I can kill it myself. But its part of a server process and used to start up dosemu instances lekma: you using cvs? if so how did you install it? setup-cvs.py or setup.py what platform are you on? setup-cvs.py what form are you trying to run when you get that? gentoo linux gack contact_manager.gfd Action: derek guarantees little with gentoo contact_mangaer hasnt been converted to 0.5.0 just yet which one from gnue-sb can i test its on the hit list siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-222-34.netcologne.de) left irc: "restarting machine" all forms for item management should be converted though item_management.gfd might not be entirely usefull as its undergoing changes to suppport its new data structures Action: lekma thinks it's time to prepare an ebuild of GNUe and SB for Gentoo but he has to learn both first Action: Vee2d2 looks forwardt o getting back to work on that gnue-sb/item/forms/lu_item_class_maint.gfd should be a working form i'll try actually any of the lu_* forms should work they are less than impressive but should work :) well in fact i still have a problem with rendering of forms... anyone got some test data to populate a database with ? when i try a form if the height of an input field is not set i have a line instead of a field shouldn't the default height be 1 when not set?? well... i have found a widgetHeight parameter in gnue.conf but it doesn't seem to be used by forms dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-194-86.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. is there a deb for wxPython ? or will i need to install from source ? libwxgtk2.2-python - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding) libwxgtk2.3-python - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding) libwxgtk2.4-python - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding) are the package names in sid derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) thanks Vee2d2 do i need 2.3 and 2.4 ? lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 2.4 would be my suggestion, but I believe 2.2 works as well.. ok thanks ... i'm only running stable and it doesn't appear to have 2.3or4 so if 2.2 doesn't work looks like i'll be moving to sid =) 2.2 will work thanks jamest in what package will i find the xml.sax module ? lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) left #gnuenterprise ("i have to get some sleep sometimes"). lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lekma (~lekma@node1142c.a2000.nl) left irc: "computer crash (damn acpi!!!)" Action: wtg has noticed that jcater has been known to answer questoins for an offering of donuts ... any truth to this statement ? there glazed =)) what's up? i would like to install the xml.sax module ... not sure where to get it from ? what os? debian stable apt-get install python-xmlbase (I think) thank you muchly Action: wtg just wonders how to get these donuts from aus to where jcater lives ? :) Nick change: cw-zzzZZZzzz -> chillywilly mornin chillywilly morning derek (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm lemka ran off siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-194-86.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Vee2d2 cries -rw-r--r-- 1 vin vin 10 Mar 20 02:50 current.gnumeric gnumeric ate my workbook =( not a good day then =( :( paqan (whaq@202.155.9.234) joined #gnuenterprise. not at all, I'm gonna hafta try and reconstruct it from memory/email/physical records.. my last back up was on the 1st of january. crap. hmm might want to work on that backup strategy yea is this on a laptop, or just a workstation? workstation then go out and buy a $90 hard drive and we'll teach you how to rsync two drives at night dont we all need to work on a backup strategy ? =) amen i'm reading though the forms doc doing as it says ... but when i push continue button to add a datasource ... nothing ? a simple script to do incremental archiving about 3 or 4 days out would have been nice right now Action: chillywilly should utilize his big ol' server paqan (whaq@202.155.9.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection paqan (whaq@202.155.9.234) joined #gnuenterprise. paqan (whaq@202.155.9.234) left irc: Client Quit paqan (whaq@202.155.9.234) joined #gnuenterprise. wtg: you arent 'pushing' hard enough lol ... thanks derek =) with cheap drive if only have a few files to back up i found the problem but thanks you could do rsync like every hour and then nightly on 5 day rotation i.e. so you could go back to any day in past five days or to something an hour ago paqan (whaq@202.155.9.234) left irc: Client Quit I do need to do something like that pretty bad.. I've got a 10G drive I could use for such a thing too isn't rsync a bad tool ? ... i have no bases to think it is ... i've never used it ... but i've heard all the 'r' tools are bad ? bababababad.. bad to the bone. Action: derek loves rsync ? so way use rsync ? what makes it better ? well the nice thing about rsync is you can automate copying of data rsync doesn't keep versions, does it? and it really does a 'diff' so to speak so is rather quick dsmith: no it doesnt do a diff derek: I'm having a hard time parsing that Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Bye :)" Oh wait! I think I actually did make a copy to my laptop last week! whew! Action: Vee2d2 runs to snag said mechanism! but it does a 'diff' on save as far as performance is concerned sorry kids got me dsmith: it only copies things that change but doesnt store them as a 'diff' to simulate that i suggested creating 5 different copies so day1 copy to day1/somestuff day2 copy to day2/somestuff etc etc so you have 'five days worth of archive' then do an 'hourly' that updates hourly (if you so desired) generally i do stuff here nightly or weekly but just keep one copy this is dangerous in that if i dont notice a change that is bad before next sync i lose data Action: derek isnt saying rsync is better than backup tool im saying its cheaper (easier) especially with large chunks of data for example to back up 60 gigs would be pretty darn pricey on DLT a 60gig drive is fairly cheap What I thought. anyhoo rsync is good for keep a remote machine synced up, but you can't go back in time and get something. the other MAJOR advantage is location i can have a machine in memphis and one in arizona and rsync them (at cost of a drive) via ssh/rsync now if memphis gets hit by a disaster and that location is gone i have data in arizona and vice versa the only way to achieve this via other backup methods would be to 'ship' a tape(medium) cross country nightly i know several free software folks that 'play nice' i will give you 10gig space you give me 10gig space kind of arrangement that's cool. that is and now for about 20bucks (assuming $2/gig bandwidth) i have cross country disaster recovery er $2/gig disk not bandwidth "never underestimate the bandwith of a stationwagon full of tapes". Or something like that. sounds like a great backup tool derek ... what wrong with to make you think it isn't a replacement ? wtg: because of what dsmith mentioned you aren't getting true diffs in time so monday i have file X with value Y and i back that up tuesday its value Y and i back that wednesday its value Z and i back that up thursday i notice that its value Z and i want value Y if i go to the back up im going to get valueZ and there is no way for me to get valueY correct me if i'm wrong .. but couldn't you adapt your rolling 5 day plan by changing day1/file to date/file ? havoc backs up his servers by rysyncing to a box at his office unless you take and make multiple syncs of the same data and put them in a rotation wtg: yes that was my point you can achieve a '5 day spread' if you created 5 instances of what you were syncing but it starts to get more expensive disk wise rsync is not an archive tool, it's a syncronization tool. the way they do this on tape medium is you do a FULL backup like once a week (which is costly) but then during the week you only do diffs arr .. disks are less expensive then my time =) and thus they are relatively cheap wtg: well and seriously they are cheaper than backup stuff as tape medium that supports 4 and 5 gigs is EXPENSIVE the medium costs big money and so does the hardware I bought a tape drive about 7 or 8 years ago and never used it.. it's still in a box somewhere. it's only 800M though Probably too small by now. one of the floppy interface things ik thank god for dvd rw =) ... a little pricie now but they'll drop Have you guys ever heard of the way plan9 some "backups"? s/some/does/ nope ? They have a huge optical jukebox, every night, all changed file are copied to a dataed directory. You can mount over the top of other mounts, (3d file system) So you can mount back to any day in the past since the system was started. That's the only versin control system thay have. havoc (~havoc@mke-65-31-168-36.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. havoc (~havoc@mke-65-31-168-36.wi.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. havoc (~havoc@mke-65-31-168-36.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. how do i run a form i've created ? gfcvs form.gfd or gnue-forms form.gfd depending on which version of forms you're using cheers hey chillywilly you around for route issues? damnit server is going down... Action: derek really needs to fix this work from home (no internet problem) I have to get havoc's server back up ok she should've given me those autlogic dudes numer autologic guys damn I'm screwed Action: chillywilly calls him hey I need you guys to check something out for me right now can you reach http://devel2.metalexpress.net ? not looking good I can ping 207.250.180.80 hmm first time i got: chillywilly: I can telnet 207.250.180.80 80, but a GET / doens't send anything. second time it timed out ohw ell it seems a bit lagged we have thos one php site that likes to eat all the RAM John said he was gonna have the guy move it I got a password prompt for my ssh finally but i can't get a shell sorry try this url http://devel2.metalexpress.net/cgi-bin/index.pl Action: chillywilly forgot the main page is blank anyway and no redirect is setup just yet i'm not getting anything weird I can ping stuff though I bet apache barfed again that damn PHP site has got to go bah, lag is up to 184 for irc.havoc.org afk ... upgrading to unstable brb chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. we are definitely having some issues unless they booted the thing already dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: .... latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 156.42.5.251 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 is what i have i try latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# route add -net 156.42.0.0 gw 156.42.5.251 dev ppp0 SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# and get that error what am i doing wrong? hmm what it works for VPN and not net the default reads default 156.42.5.251 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 instead is there a channel with networking studs on here well I forgot how to add routes again ;P there was a really good doc that I found but I can't find it anymore dneighbo_: Don't you have to have the netmask in there somewhere? chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" dneighbo_: route add -net 156.42.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 156.42.5.251 dev ppp0 hey got something to work latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# route add -net 156.42.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.255 gw 172.22.5.10 ppp0 latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 156.42.0.0 172.22.5.10 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 ppp0 156.42.5.251 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# and its what dsmith stated netmask Action: dneighbo_ isnt sure i have right one but i got something to work :) Action: dsmith cheers how do i delete 156.42.0.0 172.22.5.10 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 ppp0 route del 156.42.0.0 ? Yes, but you might need to spcify it better (like a netmask and a destination) holy moses route add -net 156.42.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 172.22.5.10 ppp0 it works it works dsmith: where do i send the beer heh Action: dsmith doesn't drink beer. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_: You *probably* don't neet the "gw x.x.x.x" if you have the device in there. s/neet/need/ derek (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" ah this is pure wickedness net and work at same time vt7 gnome, vt8 vnc to machine1 at work, vt9 vnc to machine2 at work Action: dneighbo_ is in bliss Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek s/neet/need/ cool chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. oh im just dying this is gravy now i can access dcl locally instead of via vnc for work 10 times faster!!!!!!!!! time to get samba working if only i could get darn wine to run Adaytum :( derek: Is this routing stuff what you were working on like 3 weeks ago? YES i just can only spend about 10 minutes at a time on it as after that it eats too deeply into productivity finally got it licked within that 10 minute time frame :) hey evolution crashed on me for the first time in several months wait i take that back, it didnt crash on me it just had one component fail derek: That is strange (evo not crashing..) well it does well for email as soon as i play with calendar and/or contacts it usually dies quickly ;) hmmm crashed again doing same thing not good esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi esv trying to clear plate so can respond to your emails soon :) good, yet I have another ;) well, I have lots....is there a particular reason why the nickname and website were not implemented, its seems fairly easy. um they were implemented lets take 10 steps backwards contact_manager.gfd started because i needed a way to track members of the GNUe project and particularly copyright assignment this is why nickname (is there it was originally irchandle) and there were assignment_status fields when i got hired at a company to do healthspa membership management with gnue i bolted the basics of what i had and made it accept unlimited phone, address, etc then i made it a 'sample' for forms as it had lots of concepts in it for reference (as well as testing) it pretty much had similar schema to what we were doing for contact management for DCL so i modified it to match that we then took what we had for contact management in dcl and used it as basis for start of gnue-sb because, well it existed ;) that is where it is today :) we have been focusing on the "item" portion and just kind of dragging the contact manager along (for example i dont think it works with 0.5.0 yet) but if I save a contact with nickname, then search for it, it does not retrieve the nickname. probably it is just matter of modifying the field part of the nick name in the form. also I like the way to have the address type dropdown, but is there a way to add types on the fly? We will be giving the contact mgmt stuff some loving very soon I think I would like to help I know, I know, you must say.... if he could..., :) esv: im not sure exactly how to handle the lookup on the fly its something that comes up a lot Action: derek is afraid it will require extension of the lookup widget my immediate solution was going to be to pop up a 'dialog' i.e. add a button to the end of the entry and if you clicked that you could 'add/delete/modify' types in other words it woudl popup the lu maintenance form for said table that was my idea too.. also there will be a gpd (gnue process definition) that will make it easier to get at all the forms from a navbar type interface sort of tie the forms together Vee2d2: the nice thing is that should totally be in place as forms can launch forms (and i think share connection data(re: no need to reauth)) some of jamest's dialog work could be interesting for this as well yea Action: esv 's slow machine is about to receive a kick or slap or something Action: derek digs up some old trout for esv if you are gonna slap it, we insist you use GNUe issued trout thanks Action: esv got to run for lunch with family. esv (~esv@dsl-200-67-32-146.prodigy.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. good evening, all word up, psu Action: dsmith starts the gnu OpenTrout trout server does it use GNUe Common/GNU-RPC? That way it can suppot corba, XML-RPC and the other one I can never remember Oh yeah, SOAP Fancy me forgetting SOAP ;-) thought it smelled fishy ;) Action: jcater thwaps derek boo! ouch Action: derek has mailbox cleaned work caught up (kind of) jsut have to tackle taxes and get ready for soccer practice and then its gnue time :) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" for me, it's bed time nite psu psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust32.midd.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. I was able to recover everything with exception to the work I did last night from the spreadsheet on my laptop and I think I just finished redoing that whew dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) left irc: "later.." i think i have taxes ready whoo hooo now if only the preparer agrees to still do them on such short notice :) anyone have eta when galeon will be caught up with mozilla in sid? ? I'd say run galeon-snapshot...but mine is broek b0rked your snapshot? you might also like to check out phoenix can i apt get phoenix in sid at least hmm no galeon-snapshot is broke on my box is what I meant dewds latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# apt-cache search phoenix lphdisk - prepares hibernation partition for Phoenix NoteBIOS scrollz - An advanced ircII-based IRC client latitude:/home/dneighbo/music# i dont see phoenix in sid could work for derek though derek, that's sid?