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<reinhard> hi lupo and lupo_
<reinhard> we had a minor change in vat legislation becoming active 17 march in austria
<reinhard> that caused some work for me
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<reinhard> so appserver was going rather slow for a month or so
<reinhard> but i think it will boost again now as this has finished
<reinhard> off to garden
<lupo_> hi reinhard
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<lupo_> argh
<rm-away> oops
<lupo_> i'm very good at missing ppl
<rm-away> you need something?
<lupo_> nope
<lupo_> i only read your text at the moment you said "off to garden"
<rm-away> didn't mean to run away from you
<rm-away> :)
<rm-away> just want to make use of the good weather
<lupo_> garden <--- you try to make a lazy day?
<rm-away> no
<rm-away> doing work in the garden
<lupo_> oh
<lupo_> hehe
<lupo_> i enjoyed a demonstration today
<lupo_> so i also used the weather :)
<rm-away> :)
Action: rm-away is now really away
<wtg> when i run gfcvs with a form i've created i get this error: DB000: ImportError: No module named wxPython.  can anyone help out ?
<lupo_> wtg: hm
<wtg> in fact all the different display methods gtk2 qt curses all complain about missing some module ?? where do i get these modules from ?
<lupo_> wtg: did you install wxpython?
<lupo_> wtg: what operating system and what distribution do you use?
<wtg> debian ... upgraded to unstable last night
<lupo_> then apt-cache search wxpython and install it
<wtg> what's the deb called for wxpython ?
<lupo_> libwxgtk2.2-python or something like that
<wtg> libwxgtk2.2-python - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding)
<wtg> libwxgtk2.3-python - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding)
<wtg> libwxgtk2.4-python - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding)
<wtg> python-opengl - Python binding to OpenGL
<wtg> wxwin2.4-examples - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (examples)
<wtg> looks like it
<wtg> should the cvs tree be somewhere special on my machine ... or can it run from anywhere ?
<lupo_> you have to install
<lupo_> either a per-user or a system wide install
<lupo_> use setup-cvs.py
<wtg> yeah ... i've done that all ready ... choose the per-user op
<lupo_> which python version have you choosen while installing?
<wtg> ppffff ... i installed this a few days ago ... i think it was 2.1
<lupo_> which libwxgtkx.y-python have you installed?
<wtg> 2.2 2.3 and 2.4 
<lupo_> strange
<wtg> should i not have installed 3 ?
<lupo_> that shouln't be a problem
<lupo_> oh
<wtg> what's strange ?
<lupo_> i see that wxpython in unstable requires python 2.2 at least
<wtg> i have 2.2 install and 2.3 =(
<lupo_> hm
<wtg> scratch 2.3 ... must have seen things last night when i was installing ... but 2.2 is definetly installed
<lupo_> so you should choose 2.2 in the install process
<lupo_> gnue does not automatically detect the to-be-used python version
<wtg> ok ... so i just run setup-cvs.py again ... will it override my .conf files ?
<lupo_> you can choose not to do so, AFAIK
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<wtg> i have a copy of the cvs on my system ... how do i download only the changes made ?
<jbailey> cvs update
<Vee2d2> cvs up -Pd gnue
<wtg> ? which one's best ?
<Vee2d2> up is just shorthand for update
<jbailey> Oh yeah.  You should probably put 'update -Pd' into your ~/.cvsroot if you want to use my command. =)
<jbailey> err.. .cvsr
<jbailey> c
<jbailey> .cvsrc
<jbailey> BAH
<jbailey> I'm still asleep
<wtg> haha thanks anywho jbailey and Vee2d2
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<wtg> ok ... way does gnue.common.definitions.GParser.MarkupError keep complaining about attributes forms sets on it's tags ?
<lupo_> which application, which file(s) ?
<wtg> gfcvs on a gfd file
<wtg> btw ... i know what afk stands for what does afaik stand for ?
<lupo_> afaik = as far as i know
<wtg> arr 
<lupo_> wtg: can you give the whole error message?
<wtg> DB000: gnue.common.definitions.GParser.MarkupError: Error processing <form> tag [I do not recognize the "height" attribute
<jamest> wtg: your form is old gfd format
<lupo_> yes
<lupo_> which form did you try?
<jamest> cvs head uses new gfd syntax gnue/forms/utils/gfd04to05.py will convert 
<jamest> old form to new format
<wtg> ok thanks 
<wtg> ml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: ../../../../../../var/spool/gnueteststuff/zipcodeTut.gfd:14:9: not well-formed (invalid token)
<wtg> nvm ... i got it
<wtg> ok ... that didn't work either ... i got:
<wtg> DB000: gnue.common.definitions.GParser.MarkupError: Error processing <block> tag [I do not recognize the "source" attribute
<wtg> and that's with the new file
<jamest> what file are you starting with?
<wtg> what's my .gfd file ?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> is it one in the samples?
<wtg> it's the one from the forms developers guide on the web site
<wtg> where are the samples dir ?
<jamest> in cvs you have
<jamest> gnue/forms/samples
<jamest> and
<jamest> gnue/samples/forms
<jamest> not everything has been migrated to 0.5.x gfd format yet
<jamest> it's a bit of a mess at the moment
<jamest> ls
<wtg> i see
<wtg> i also have trouble adding a datasource in forms ... DB000: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'supportedDataObjects'
<jamest> try the form in forms/sample/zipcode.gfd
<wtg> is this also part of the mess ... or is this something i've done ?
<jamest> that one is certain to be a 0.5.0 form
<jamest> bash-2.05b$ ls ~/cvs/gnue/samples/testcases/forms/gauntlet/
<jamest> that form is a testcase for forms I'm working on
<jamest> the forms I know jcater and I both test with are
<jamest> ~/cvs/gnue/forms/sample/zipcode.gfd
<jamest> er
<jamest> ~/cvs/gnue/forms/samples/zipcode/zipcode.gfd
<jamest> and
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<jamest> ~/cvs/gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd
<jamest> we're bad coders and have got into a rut :)
<jamest> I hope to see the gaunlet form expanded more as a test case 
<jamest> another great way to get sample forms in gnue-designer
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<jamest> it's wizards can create a form in seconds from existing table structures
<wtg> gfdes ?
<jamest> however I've not had time to check it's stability in the last week or so
<jamest> yes, gfdes
<wtg> i'm having issues with it ... but i'm sure there all my problem =)
<jamest> it was a little flaky due to changes in forms UI driver system but I think jcater patched that up some
<jamest> the 0.4.x -> cvs head (0.5.x) is a major change in how things work 
<jamest> so the tools are a little flaky and I expect that not to change till 0.5.1
<jamest> which ought to be out by 2010 at the rate were moving
<jamest> :)
<wtg> haha =)
<jamest> I'd love to see you use head
<wtg> head ?
<jamest> but if this flakyness is bothering you I'd suggest going to latest 0.4.x releases of the tools
<jamest> cvs head
<jamest> the main cvs trunk you're using now
<jamest> as head tools are not polished up yet, the docs are out of sync, etc, etc
<wtg> head it is ... who needs docs anyway =)
<jamest> lol
<jamest> we have tons of docs actually
<jamest> just look for the files ending in .py
<wtg> your python files are your docs ?
<jamest> :)
<jamest> j/k
<wtg> =)
<derek> grrrr java no workie with mozilla 1.3 
Action: derek rues the day i upgraded (damn evolution!)
<wtg> haha ... derek are you american by any chance ?
<jamest> yes he is unfortunately
<jamest> you want him?
<jamest> we'll let him go real cheap
<wtg> no ... just love that word rues ... not a word you hear often in aus 
<jamest> you sure
<jamest> i might be able to take up a collection
<wtg> haha ... yes i'm sure 
<jamest> i'm sure some of us could cough up the money for shipping costs
<wtg> lol
<wtg> well i got plenty of floor space =)
<jamest> :)
<jamest> derek: all the dns servers listed on ash were not responding anymore
<jamest> i slapped in my ISPs dns server but can you get good ones from Jade?
<derek> ouch
<derek> no
<derek> he is on vacation until monday
<derek> iirc
<jamest> that's ok, we don't need dns
<jamest> working on ash
<derek> drop him a line at jade.meskill@libertydistribution.com 
<jamest> i just needed it to apt-get update 
<derek> oh ok
<derek> i was thinking you meant dns dns
<derek> like the website was down
Action: derek knows the move is coming REAL soon
<derek> he hasnt got all the new ip addresses yet
<jamest> move?
<derek> i have lunch meeting scheduled with him next week
<derek> to start arranging things
<derek> jamest: remember they are moving to fully qualified datacenter
<jamest> oh yeah
<derek> it is supposed to happen in early april
<jamest> find out if he can maybe slip ash into a rack mount during the move
<derek> he is putting plan in place that hopefully will put down time to about 12 hours maybe less
<derek> is it a rack server?
<jamest> maybe a new mboard, couple of cpus, and a gig or two of ram as well :)
<derek> ah
Action: jamest is trying to get free upgrade :)
Action: jamest is not serious
Action: derek is away: kids
Action: derek will see what i can do
Action: derek is serious ;)
<jamest> lol
<wtg> well i finally got zipcodes.gfd to open in gfcvs ... so that's a great note to head to bed on
<jamest> :)
<wtg> thanks for all your help jamest
<jamest> sorry I couldn't be more help
Action: jamest is swamped 
<wtg> that's ok .. just means i have to learn more ... which could never be a bad thing 
<wtg> afk
<jamest> l8r
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<keyhack> Is there a good accounting program like QuickBooks, besides gnucash?
<jamest> i think some people in here use something else
<jamest> but I don't recall the name
<jamest> and I don't recall them saying it was good :)
<keyhack> hmm lol
<keyhack> gnucash is ok... but, not enough to run a business on
<Vee2d2> Iran says rocket hit its territory
<Vee2d2> Minneapolis Star Tribune - 3 hours ago
<Vee2d2> Iran said today that a stray rocket had hit one of its petrochemical facilities, and complained about repeated violations of its airspace by US and British warplanes. 
<Vee2d2> Kidman defies boycott
<Vee2d2> Melbourne Herald Sun - 2 hours ago
<Vee2d2> NICOLE Kidman will not join a growing list of Hollywood stars boycotting the Academy Awards early tomorrow because of the war in Iraq. 
<Vee2d2> way to go Nicole
<Vee2d2> heh
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<Vee2d2> I didnt mean to paste that here, btw. =/
<jamest> :)
<Vee2d2> http://rita.thegourmet.com/computers.html
<Vee2d2> was sent to our local lug list as " this guy needs our help "
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<keyhack> hello
<reinhard> hi keyhack
<keyhack> whats up
<reinhard> not sure
<reinhard> i've always thought that would be
<reinhard> wasssssup
<reinhard> ;-)
<keyhack> I'm looking for an accounting program
<reinhard> i'm not sure if there is something you can run a "serious" business on
<reinhard> in the free software world yet
<reinhard> we're on the road to build such a thing
<reinhard> but not quite there yet
<reinhard> you _might_ want to look at gnue-sb but i don't know if they do accounting, too
<reinhard> gnue-sb = gnue small business
<keyhack> gnucash seems ok, I dunno
<keyhack> I wonder if wine can do QuickBooks
<reinhard> gnucash might be usable for small companies, yes
<keyhack> looks like I'll just have to reboot lol
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