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Action: jcater yawms
<jcater> yawns, even
<jbailey> I yam what I yam and I'm really proud of me!
<jbailey> (bad church school song we used to sing)
<jbailey> or.
<jbailey> "cogito ergo spud" - "I think therefor I yam"
<reinhard> oh i thought that is
<reinhard> coitus ergo sum
<reinhard> oh no
<reinhard> ;-)
<reinhard> in school we used to say
<reinhard> nato ergo boom
<reinhard> but that's another story :)
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<lupo> hello
<psu> hi lupo
<lupo> hey psu
<lupo> i've just read the new KC
<lupo> great work
<lupo> (as usual :)
<psu> heh
<psu> Well, arturas does most of the actual work these days
<lupo> oh
<lupo> well
<psu> i just "edit"
<lupo> what do you mean by "edit"?
<reinhard> i think "editor" in german is "verleger"
<lupo> editor in chief is chefredakteur, iirc
<lupo> btw, hi reinhard
<reinhard> hi :)
<lupo> is your connection to US servers as slow as it is here?
<lupo> debian.org, google.com and all others that i've tried are damn slow
<reinhard> not really
<reinhard> quite normal
<lupo> they've cut our cables :)
<reinhard> ok i've looked it up
<reinhard> editor is "redakteur" or "herausgeber"
<reinhard> so what i think psu means is that arturas writes most of the stuff and psu makes it public
<reinhard> or like that
<psu> well, i go through the logs & identify the threads
<psu> then 
<psu> at the other end
<psu> cut & paste everything together as proper KC XML
<psu> but arturas has been writing most of the actual summaries
<psu> To me "editor" implies cutting-down/summarising
<psu> but I'm not really even doing that.
<lupo> interesting
<lupo> afk
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<jamest> bwahahahaha
<jamest> I'm driving a scanner and displaying the scans in gnue forms
Action: jamest does a happy dance
Action: derek calls the guys with the white jackets
<jamest> derek: you do alot w/ datasources via triggers right?
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<derek> yeah
<derek> well been a while, but did in the past
<derek> on switch and on commit mostly
Action: derek is away: resting
Nick change: SachaS_tv -> SachaS
<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> anyone home?
<chillywilly> I've missed the general #gnue abuse
<chillywilly> plz sir may I have another
Action: jcater thwaps chillywilly
<chillywilly> aaaah, no place like home
<chillywilly> :)
<jcater> shut up, punk
<jcater> :)
<chillywilly> :'(
<chillywilly> *sniff*
<chillywilly> ummm, anyway
<chillywilly> how the release coming?
<chillywilly> how's
<chillywilly> :-D
<jamest> close
<jcater> yip
<jcater> of course
<jcater> isn't that what we said Dec 22
Action: jcater hides
<jamest> closER
<chillywilly> hehe
Action: jamest thwaps jcater
Action: derek is back (gone 01:05:21)
<derek> close is a 'relative' term
<jcater> does that mean closer is a relativer term?
<chillywilly> Free software releases are relative...
<chillywilly> :)
<derek> yeah
Action: chillywilly prefers "when it's ready"
<chillywilly> topic change!
<chillywilly> "When will 0.5.0 be released? When it's ready."
<jamest> soon
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<jamest> i have something neat to share
<jamest> hang on
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> it's too big
<jamest> hang on
<chillywilly> you wish it was too big
Action: jcater thwaps chillywilly for jamest
<jcater> "big" is relative
Action: chillywilly whips out the big nothern pike and spins around frantically thwapping everyone
<jamest> http://www.math.ksu.edu/~jamest/sample.jpeg
<jcater> jamest: are you trying to tell us we need silkier hair???
<jamest> well, anything that'll make you guys bathe more
<jcater> well
<jcater> put her in the tub'
<chillywilly> hehe
<jcater> and I'll bathe more frequently
<jcater> hourly possibly
<chillywilly> :)
<derek> finally getting around to organizing the ole pr0n collection eh
<jamest> that's a 75dpi color scan, the image was aquired by pressing the scan button
<jcater> acquired?
Action: jcater hides
<jamest> admired
<jcater> hehe
<jamest> anyway forms does images now
<jamest> it's a bit rough
<derek> jamest: i might write a photo management program with it :)
<jamest> but nothing jcater can't fix
<chillywilly> does <image> have a datasource?
Action: derek really wants to 'organize' my photos
<jamest>       <image name="imgURL" Char:height="34" Char:width="88" Char:x="1"
<jamest>              Char:y="1" block="blkXref_image" field="fldUrl"/>
<derek> so what gets stored?
<derek> the url to the image?
<jamest> right now it expects the field it's tied to to contain the url to the image
<derek> i.e. location of the image
<chillywilly> can that be in the actual db?
<derek> that is perfect for 'my' needs
<derek> at this point
<jamest> it can be
<jcater> we'll need to extend it at some point
<chillywilly> the "meta" info on the image
<jamest> the display handler will need a few lines added
Action: derek has no desire to store the image in the db
<derek> just a reference is fine
<jcater> so the developer can specify whether it's storing a location or the actual data
<jamest> forms supports a image type="url" now
<jcater> derek: but some do
<chillywilly> neither do I
<derek> jcater: yes
<jamest> but i've put in type="pil"
<derek> thats why i quoted 'my' needs ;)
<jcater> it would be a natural extension
<chillywilly> in fact in the lastest app I am working on I just store path information, etc. not the real image
Action: jcater doesn't store images in databases either
<jamest> i just didn't add the code as I'm not sure about the image format we'd want to support
<jamest> I don't want it in database either
<derek> anyone who has done work with blob datatypes
<jcater> jamest: PCX
<derek> and still stores images in a database
<derek> is either an idiot
<derek> or a god
<jamest> but I'm writing a scanner driver for a local company
<jamest> you notice no scanner settings on that form
<derek> common?
<jamest> er
<jamest> scanner front end not driver
<jamest> we're going to hylafax pumping images directly into their db
<derek> so why a 'scanner'?
<jamest> for overflow faxes
<jamest> they have hylafax on the overflow line now
<derek> you realize you just proved a good deal of 'document' management 
<jamest> when we flip they will use the old fax machine as the overflow
<derek> guess gnue-sb will have little problem supporting something liek that now
<jamest> so I need a binary format that isn't tied to a db
<jcater> derek: shhhh... if the thinks he's doing something useful, he might stop coding
<derek> rofl
<jamest> it needs work
<jcater> because we all know gnue is useless
<derek> jcater: thats what i read somewhere
<jamest> isn't uselessness one of it's top features?
<derek> i cant download the 'accounting' package
<derek> tried 3 times today
<derek> so i tend to agree it has a long way to go to be useful
Action: jcater really wishes some times that the tools were a completely different project
<jcater> internally, it is that way
<derek> yeah website marketing wise
<derek> might help
<derek> THOUGH
<derek> i have found most people that 'get it' understand the difference, just thtey dont have time to write packages from scratch
<derek> those that dont get it 
<derek> 1. wont ever get it
<derek> 2. dont care
<derek> by number 2 i mean most people that are tool authors are snobs
<derek> gnue is too 'sissy' for them
<derek> or they want something 'different'
<derek> html version, java version, etc etc etc
<jcater> we need a scheme version
<jcater> speaking of which, you ever gonna respond to gnue-sb emails?
<derek> jcater: i was thinking the EXACTLY same thing this morning
<jcater> >:)
<derek> jcater: VERY soon
<derek> family weekend
--- Mon Mar 24 2003