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<lupo> good morning
<Vee2d2> mornin
Action: Vee2d2 shares some coffee
<lupo> thanks
<lupo> want some cookies?
<Vee2d2> dont hafta twist my arm
<lupo> aaargh jcater when i get you
<Vee2d2> heh?
<Vee2d2> =)
<lupo> he still didn't apply my patch
<lupo> i don't wanna run a patched gnue forever :)
<Vee2d2> what's the patch do?
<Vee2d2> or fix I guess is more likely..?
<lupo> makes saving files in designer work with python < 2.2.2
<lupo> it's a three-line fix
<Vee2d2> ahh
<lupo> does anyone know how this linuxfund.org thing works?
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<derek> lupo: yes i do
<derek> what part of linuxfund do want explained?
<derek> oh he is gone nevermind
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<lupo> derek, still there?
<jamest> lupo: what's the patch?
<lupo> jamest: mom, i look what dcl number it has
<lupo> argh
<lupo> downloading stuff and my connection is so slow. i should install traffic shaping progs.
<lupo> jamest: ticket #248
<lupo> #230 can be closed
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<jamest> is #230 solved then?
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<lupo_> damn forced disconnet
<lupo_> disconnect
<lupo_> yes, #230 is solved
<lupo_> actually, #248 is the fix for #230
<jamest> can you test it for me in a sec?
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<jamest> committed (untested)
<lupo_> yep
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<lupo_> cvs up is running
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<jamest> thans
<jamest> thanks
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<lupo_> okay, i'll try to run designer
<lupo_> works principally
<lupo_> thanks
<lupo_> i now have another bug, i'm going to hunt that right now
<jamest> cool
<lupo_> i think it's a loop over a dictionary
<jamest> we have 1 killer bug in designer unless jcater found it recently
<jamest> try deleting a widget and she'll segfault
<jamest> is that the one you're fighting?
<lupo_> nope
<lupo_> i hope not :)
<lupo_> how do i get the keys of a map, with python?
<jamest> mapname.keys()
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<lupo_> thx
<lupo_> same file (GObjects.py), line 202: a map is used as a list, which inevitably leads to problems
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<lupo> want a fix?
<jamest>         for abbrev in self._xmlchildnamespaces.keys():
<jamest> right?
<lupo> yep
<jamest> what is this fixing?
<lupo> because i have
<lupo> DB006: [GObjects:201] self._xmlchildnamespaces is {'Char': 'GNUe:Layout:Char'}
<lupo> (self-made GDebug message)
<lupo> there's no ticket for that, so be careful, it could be depend on the python version.
<lupo> perhaps it was just me
<jamest> no, that's a bug
<lupo> okay
<jamest> unless
<lupo> it always happens when you save a file in designer
<lupo> because this has to do with namespace stuff, without it gnue layout handlers won't work
<lupo> shouldn't we start a 24-hour-bug-a-thon? :-)
<jamest> I have 0 gnue time till next week
<jamest> but feel free :)
<lupo> just a random idea.
<lupo> after all, i didn't do the copyright paperwork just for being slapped by chillywilly :-))
<jcater> I have little gnue time as well
<lupo> :-(
<lupo> and i want all these bugs to go, at least those that i can fix :-)
<chillywi1ly> GNUpdate project did a hackfest one time
<lupo> 0.5.0 is a priority for me, because it might be the first gnue release that i can use for possible customers
<chillywi1ly> it would be cool is gnue had one
<chillywi1ly> but that would require some serious scheduling and planning I take it
<chillywi1ly> s/is/if/
<jamest> commited
<lupo> that's what i mean. take a fixed day, tons of coffee and some peer review people with CVS access and prepare freenode.net that they'll soon have load problems.
<lupo> jamest: thanks
<jamest> sigh
<chillywi1ly> heh
<jamest> why does reporting gnue bugs on IRC == load problems for a distributed IRC network
<chillywi1ly> I don't think freenode would die ;)
<jamest> what are you trying to say exactly lupo ? :)
<chillywi1ly> lol
<lupo> jamest: erm ... nothing :-)
<jamest> lupo: did you do the paperwork?
<lupo> jamest: i signed the papers that i got.
<lupo> so you can use everything from me as you see it fit.
<lupo> i'm not the fsf copyright clerk, if you thought that :-)
<lupo> sigh
<lupo> forms doesn't work with the form generated by designer
<lupo> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<lupo> DB000:   File "/home/lupo/cvs/gnue-head/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 154, in ?
<lupo> DB000:     GFClient().run()
<lupo> DB000:   File "/home/lupo/cvs/gnue-head/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 151, in run
<lupo> DB000:     instance.activate()
<lupo> DB000:   File "/home/lupo/cvs/gnue-head/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 274, in activate
<lupo> DB000:     self.activateForm('__main__')
<lupo> DB000:   File "/home/lupo/cvs/gnue-head/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 283, in activateForm
<lupo> DB000:     form = self._formsDictionary[formName]
<lupo> DB000: KeyError: __main__
<lupo> any ideas? known problem?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> designer creates forms with the name="form"
<jamest> that needs to be name="__main__"
<jamest> i need to fix forms or designer or both
<jamest> as forms is looking for a form named "__main__" as the starting form
<jamest> i'm not sure of the clean way to fix this
<jamest> 1) require __main__ 
<lupo> yes
<jamest> 2) if no __main__ load the first form loaded
<lupo> i understand, i've taken a look at the code
<jamest> i'm sorry
<chillywi1ly> cool goat herders like jamest should never have to apologize ;)
<chillywi1ly> bad lupo !
<lupo> personally, i'd choose (2) because i don't see a point in forcing ppl to use one specific name. in case you might want to have multiple forms as possible starting forms, you run in trouble
<lupo> sorry for what?
<lupo> there's nothing to be sorry for :-)
<chillywi1ly> he's sorry for busting the code ;)
Action: chillywi1ly looks at his nick
<chillywi1ly> wtf
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<chillywilly> weird
<Vee2d2> leet
<chillywilly> RR must've dropped me
<lupo> chillywilly: 31337
<chillywilly> hehe
<jamest> no, I'm sorry lupo had to look at the code
<chillywilly> irssi did that
<jamest> that's almost cruelty
<lupo> oh
<chillywilly> irssi is 1337
<chillywilly> jamest: hehe
<lupo> no prob
<jamest> we'll have to track the first form loaded
<lupo> i've seen code that most CS students wouldn't be able to recognize as code :-)
<chillywilly> bah, I need to create my /id alias in irssi to id me to nickserv
<jamest> as the dict they are stored in doesn't guarentee order
<chillywilly> perl hashes don't guarantee order either ;)
<chillywilly> sorry, but I am now going to relate everything to perl
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> muwahahaha
<jamest> just like I don't guarantee to spell guarantee correctly
<chillywilly> can be spelled either way...erm, they might diff meanings though
Action: chillywilly uses dict one
<chillywilly> once
<lupo> you naughty recursion boy
<chillywilly> I am pretty sure they both mean the same thing
<chillywilly> seems that way
<chillywilly> naughty recursion boy?
<lupo> well, with form="__main__", gforms runs well
<lupo> chillywilly: a boy who uses naughty recursions
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<chillywilly>  /ignore ALL *!lupop@*.dip.t-dialin.net
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> better yet
<chillywilly>  /ignore ALL #gnuenterprise
<chillywilly> actually the syntax is backwards
<lupo> chillywilly: i think you're the one who reduces the signal-noise-ratio on this channel :P
<chillywilly>  /ignore #gnuenterprise ALL
<chillywilly> lupo: and your point is?
<lupo> chillywilly: nobody would care if you /ignored anyone around here
<chillywilly> fuck off lupo 
<lupo> i love you so much
<chillywilly> blow me
<lupo> back to serious work
<lupo> afk
<lupo> *blow*
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<robewald> hi
<robewald> the cvs server does not respond, whats going on?
<lupo> robewald: what do you mean with "not respond"?
<robewald> i cant login, cvs always times out
<robewald> works now :-)
<lupo> yes
<lupo> sometimes cvs is a bit sucky
<robewald> are you using subversion or vanilla cvs?
<reinhard> bbl
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<lupo> robewald: plain vanilla cvs
<lupo> i'd prefer a better SCMS, but, well ...
<chillywilly> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-030337meteorite,0,610488.story?coll=chi-news-hed
<lupo> cvs is "standard" (for whatever that means)
<robewald> i am using arch here, quite nice, if you ask me
<lupo> there are a couple of alternatives
<lupo> the problem is that a) developers don't want to deal with new infrastructure tools and b) free software hosting providers don't provide it
<robewald> yes thats true. so scms to cvs gateways are the way to go I guess
<lupo> yep
<lupo> brb, just making fresh coffee
<psu> robewald: some mad fule put some P2P files on the machine that we share as our CVS server
<psu> I believe they have been terminated w/extreme prejudice
<psu> but the P2P clients out there don't knoe it yet
<psu> http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gnue/2003-03/msg00007.html refers
<robewald> Aah, I see, why is there a p2p client running on that server?
<psu> there wasn't. Just some files on the server got listed as part of a p2p network
<psu> This being p2p, it takes a while for all the clients to realise
<robewald> thats a nasty way of mounting a ddod attack, no trojans or anything involved...
<robewald> s/ddod/ddos/
<robewald> another question: where can I find a reference (dtd o.s.) for the new forms xml?
<robewald> the current seems rather outdated
<psu> um
<psu> I suspect the answers at the moment are either 
<psu> a) the code (which, natch, you can't get at)  or
<psu> b) hang around here, leave some donuts out & hope to get jcater's attention
<psu> The basic principle is to seperate layout & logic
<psu> I know little more than that
<robewald> cvs update just completed :o)
<psu> However, the gnue-sb (Small Biz) edition uses the new format 
<psu> so you could use those as samples
<robewald> ACK
<psu> http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/gnue-sb/gnue-sb/
<robewald> done.. now cvs has no troubles at all
<robewald> Thanks for the help
<psu> np
<lupo> robewald: in cvs, there are quite some docs, even on the new (0.5.0 release) form definition files
<lupo> bye, gotta help a friend carry her harp to the second floor
<robewald> I'm off, dial up is expensive :-(
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<psu> lupo: /me suspects that's the first time that's ever been used as an excuse around here
<psu> ;-)
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<tiffin> hello all
<tiffin> anyone around?
<psu> me (sorta)
<tiffin> any experience with DCL?
<psu> otherwise all quiet
<psu> I'm afraid not
<psu> re DCL
<tiffin> here you have a new job
<tiffin> s/here/hear/
<psu> yep
<tiffin> congrats
<psu> thanks
<psu> last day at my old job today
<psu> start new job 7th April
<tiffin> dont party too hard :)
<psu> well, we went down the pub at lunchtime 
<psu> and I got a round in of 
<psu> pint and a half of lager,
<psu> 4 cokes and 3 diet cokes
<psu> ;-)
<tiffin> ;)
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<tiffin> later all, back to work
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<chillywilly> neil?
<chillywilly> darn
<chillywilly> hi psu 
<jcater> do the debian woody 2.4 kernels include raid support?
<jcater> s/raid/software raid/
<chillywilly> look in the kernel config file
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> bleh
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<Vee2d2> weee, there's now a forsale sign in muh yard
<chillywilly> selling your house?
<Vee2d2> yip, this one anyway
<chillywilly> oh well that must be nice
<chillywilly> I don't even own 1 house
<Vee2d2> it's a great neighborhood.. cul-de-sac, lalala.. but we wanna move closer to family and go debt free
<Vee2d2> it's a good time to buy if you have $$.. 
<Vee2d2> brb
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<chillywilly> peter
<chillywilly> sup dawg
<chillywilly> oops, that was a quit message
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<Vee2d2> weeee
<jcater> :L)
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