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<chillywilly> heh
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<magic8> hey Vee2d2; if this is working let me know :)
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<derek> its working
<chillywilly> hi derek 
<magic8> Thanks derek
<chillywilly> ello magic8 
<magic8> hey cw
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<Vee2d2> I've been playing with an old version of qb.. =/
<chillywilly> qbasic?
<Vee2d2> quickbooks
<chillywilly> heh
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<reinhard> off to customer
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<Arturas> Hello
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<duf_13_> derek are you in here?
<duf_13_> (dave uhlman) I will catch you another time
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<Vee2d2> mornin derek
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<Vee2d2> mornin ToyMan
<ToyMan> morning
<ToyMan> Vee2d2: what's your relation to the gnue project
<ToyMan> ?
<Vee2d2> GNUe-SB stuff atm
<ToyMan> SB stands for what?
<Vee2d2> Small Business
<Vee2d2> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue-sb/
<Vee2d2> I'm curious if you guys do any custom manufacturing, or is it all per plan?
<Vee2d2> ^^ -Toyman
<Vee2d2> I would think it's all per plan. But have you been approached to do a different color than what is available, or to label a product with another company's name?
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<Vee2d2> lupo
<lupo> Vee2d2!
<lupo> whazzuuuuup
<ToyMan> Vee2d2: sorry, stepped out for a moment
<ToyMan> so there's a small biz version of gnue
Action: ToyMan has to check the web site
<Vee2d2> ToyMan: There will be. =)
<ToyMan> ack! Gentoo is dumping their pkg mngmnt system and going to RPM
<ToyMan> oh, damn it's 
<ToyMan> April Fools day...
<ToyMan> have to be careful
<Vee2d2> I dont go anywhere near slashdot and affiliated sites on this day
<lupo> good idea
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<Vee2d2> moonin jamest
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<siesel> hi 
<Vee2d2> howdee
<lupo> hi Jan
<jamest> g'day
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<Vee2d2> morning jbailey
<jbailey> g'd morning all.
<siesel> mornig jbailey
<siesel> hi Vee2d2, lupo and james
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<jamest> sigh
<jamest> it _will_ be released soon
<jamest> we're in cleanup prior to release mode this week
<jamest> no april fools
<jbailey> yeah yeah sure. =)
Action: jamest thwaps jbailey
<jamest> oooo better yet
<jamest> we're just holding on some canadian dude that was going to submit a gtk/html driver
<jamest> yeah, that's it
<jamest> :)
<jbailey> jamest: There's some penguin who said he wants to help me with the html driver.  I was talking to him a couple days ago.
<jamest> penguin?
<jamest> i mean, I know you're up north, but I didn't realize 
<jamest> 1) you're that far north
<jamest> 2) you talk to animals
<jbailey> I hear voices.
<jbailey> Sometimes they tell me to do things.
<jbailey> Also, ther's !@#$ING SNOW ON THE GROUND TODAY GRRRRR!!!!!!
<jbailey> But that's another story.
<lupo> btw, read a nice joke today
<lupo> you know the world has gone mad when:
<lupo> 1. the best rapper is white.
<lupo> 2. the best golfer is black.
<lupo> 3. the french call americans arrogant
<lupo> 4. germans don't want to go to war
<siesel> hohohoho
<chillywilly> morning
<Vee2d2> heya chillywilly
<lupo> chillywilly!
<lupo> Dan, how's it going?
<lupo> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/sun-31.03.03-000/img0.jpg <- "IBM Universal Business Adapter" :)
Action: chillywilly is a little tired
<jbailey> Nice!  Posix just announced HTML 2003 on the austin group list.
<lupo> hehe
Action: chillywilly is about to commit mad unit tests for gnue common using unittest python module
<lupo> what are unit tests?
<lupo> something like regression tests?
<chillywilly> http://pyunit.sourceforge.net/pyunit.html
<chillywilly> http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-unittest.html
<chillywilly> btw, april fool!
<chillywilly> ;)
Action: chillywilly hasn't finished consuming to docs yet
<chillywilly> paper tastes better with ketchup
<lupo> i prefer pesto
<jbailey> Mmmm.. pesto
<jbailey> There's a place that does a lovely vegan pesto near here.
<lupo> pesto is always supposed to be vegan :)
<jbailey> Really?  Most places put parmesan cheese in it.
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<jbailey> chillywilly: It's not like food is the first thing we'd disagree on if we lived together. ;P
<lupo> we made it yesterday, i can't remember anything cheese-like
<chillywilly> jbailey: wassat supposed to mean baby?
<jbailey> lupo: Were those pot leaves you used instead of basil?  I've been told that it's very tasty, but sometimes makes to short term memory weak.
<jbailey> chillywilly: Meaning I think we'd kill one another as roommates. =)  Can you imagine living with a hippy UU vegan?
<chillywilly> I'm not a bigot you know
<lupo> jbailey: nope. i just shouldn't have used these mexican cactuses ;-)
<chillywilly> I still love you jeff
<jbailey> chillywilly: And worse, I'm *canadian* - All the 'eh's might drive any sane American to drink!
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<lupo> jbailey: mom. it wasn't parmesan, it was pecorino. you confused me with your parmesan talk! *slap* so, it wasn't vegan, i have to admit :)
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<lupo> derek!
<derek> hey lupo
<jbailey> lupo: Most places that make pesto here are cheap and wouldn't spend money on an expensive cheese.
<derek> jbailey: did i see you mention snow?
<jbailey> derek: *Sigh* yes.
<derek> it was frelling 93 here yesterday
<jbailey> Want it?
<jbailey> Take it all.
<derek> can we split it?
<jbailey> Cheerfully.
<derek> give you a little sun for a little of that cold front
<jbailey> espcially if you're measure temperature in American.
<derek> we both end up with 50 and a breeze
<lupo> jbailey: well, it takes some leisure and good ingredients, so money is not of concern, only taste :)
<jbailey> lupo: Yeah.  When I spend the money on Pesto, it's usually because I'm tired of peanut butter, jam, or mayonayse.
<lupo> we heavy sunny 20 here, i only wore a t-shirt today
<lupo> jbailey: *g*
<jbailey> lupo: *cry*  It was up to 16 last week.  Today it's -5
<lupo> jbailey: in italy, they eat _everything_ with pesto
<lupo> jbailey: poor guy. i can lend you 5 degrees, if you want :)
<jbailey> lupo: Hmm.  Aside from being vegan I might like Italy then.  All everyone talks about it the art, and I have to admit to generally finding art annoying.
<jbailey> Although my heart does go out to the poor bastard who painted the ceiling of that church.
<lupo> jbailey: Oh yes, and by the way the have great art in Italy *g,d&r*
<lupo> Oh actually church painters were quite rich, as long as they survived.
<lupo> s/the have/they have/
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<jbailey> I'm off for work.  'bye all.
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<derek> doh work
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<p0lar> any bayonne users here?  
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<chillywilly> HAH!
<chillywilly> nice one!
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<jcater> oops... better get to work
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<chillywilly> we need a GNUe press release stating we are switching to Java or merging with compiere ;)
<chillywilly> that would be a good april fools joke
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<chillywilly> hi jan
<siesel> hi Daniel
<chillywilly> it has been decided 0.5.0 will be the last python release
<chillywilly> GNUe is switching to Java
<chillywilly> ;)
<jamest> drat
<jamest> i was hoping for .NET
<siesel> hehe
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<chillywilly> hi dsmith 
<dsmith> Good Morning, chillywilly
<dsmith> Hows Things
<chillywilly> ok
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<dsmith> !
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<dsmith> !!
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<dsmith> That's not *even* funny.
<chillywilly> lol
<dsmith> I'm all for joking around and having a good time, but there are some places you should just not go.
<dsmith> ;^)
<dsmith> Enlightenment 1.0 was realeased todaty.
<siesel> rofl
<Vee2d2> I agree, I think creating a nauseating amount of fictitious reports is pretty lame. I liked sun's take on the day several years ago when they put some javascript on their page that made the button links on their pages move when you hovered over them so you had to chase them.. 
<chillywilly> whatever
<chillywilly> we should have an animated goat on gnue home page
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<chillywilly> he should chase your cursor around and eat it if you let him get it
<chillywilly> ;)
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<chillywilly> "GNUe: Busier than a 3-peckered goat"
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<lupo> what kind of BS topic is that? 
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<kreiszner> Can anybody tell me how data for gnue is going to permanently archived for later retieval?
<kreiszner> Say to settle a lawsuit 8-10 yr. in future.
<jamest> all data will be stored in an rdbms
<jamest> I'm not sure what archival options we'll support
<kreiszner> jamest: I was just curious. I noticed that
<kreiszner> a scientific group was proposing XML for theirs
<kreiszner> but the standard in that industy is to use propietary
<kreiszner> software and formats.
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<chillywilly> hatchery format that is
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<jcater> -----------------------------------------------------------------
<jcater> New prereleases for Common, Designer, Forms, and Reports
<jcater> are at:
<jcater>   http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/prereleases/
<jcater> You know the drill.
<jcater> -----------------------------------------------------------------
<chillywilly> wooot
<jamest> ignore them then file bug reports once 0.5.0 is out the door?
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> typically
Action: jcater is pretty happy w/0.5.0
<jcater> it's going to be slightly more stable of a release than I expected
<jamest> i plan to continue testing tonight
<jcater> caviet emptor
<jamest> but we're pretty solid
<jcater> (sp?)
<jamest> sorry, pritee
<chillywilly> I have a db that I can make forms for
Action: chillywilly will beat on the tools if you want him too
<jamest> of course we want people too
<chillywilly> it's mysql tho ;P
<Vee2d2> all the more reason to use it, as you can be reasonably sure the others arent.. =)
<chillywilly> I can even test image support
<jcater> hmm
<chillywilly> hmmm, this will be fun
<chillywilly>  oh guys I am working on an pril fools thing for the web site anyone here have access to it?
<jcater> and, derek
<jcater> you have your gnue-schema script
<jcater> that installs as part of common
<chillywilly> gotta run
<chillywilly> bbl
<Vee2d2> cya
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<derek> jcater: yummy
Action: derek is going to try to nap
<jamest> no nap!
<derek> and then come back for a long hack session
<jamest> test!
<derek> jamest i just ate three plate fulls of home made pasta
<derek> i dont know if it would be humanly possible for me not to nap
<jamest> lots of energy for testing
<derek> jamest: it will be soon
<derek> sugar == instant energy
<derek> carbs == delayed energy
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<chillywilly> back
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<chillywilly> ello jcater 
<jcater> ord up, chillywilly
<derek> ou
<derek> uys are so
<derek> unny
<jcater> ite
<jcater> e
<jcater> )
<chillywilly> eeek
<chillywilly> rofessional
<chillywilly> elp
<chillywilly> nywho
Action: derek is having sinus problems
<derek> grrr
Action: derek goes to get caffiene adn down load premies for 0.5.0
<derek> btw: you might want to change topic to give url to premies
<jcater> ooooo
<jcater> lovely
<jcater> irs.gov just segfaulted konqueror
Action: jcater bi0tch-slaps the irs
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> again! again!
<chillywilly> :)
<derek> chillywilly: you want to tell me how you got java to work w/ konq?
<derek> on sid
<chillywilly> configured konq
<chillywilly> pointed it at the moz plugins dir
<chillywilly> clicked the scan for plugins button
<chillywilly> however the plugin latest jdk that I now have isn't recognized by mozilla or any other browsers
<chillywilly> s/plugin/plugin with the/
<chillywilly> the older one did work
<derek> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/prereleases.php is this where i get the pre-releases
<derek> chillywilly: that is my problem
<jcater> yes
<derek> mozilla or any dervative wont recognize jdk
<derek> no matter WHAT THE HELL i do
<chillywilly> derek: you install the jdk from sun with the self extracting shell script?
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<jcater> :'(
Action: derek grabs pre-releases
<derek> and notes has anyone asked jbailey to whip up debs yet?
<jamest> i don't want debs until 0.5.0
<jcater> right
<derek> ?
<derek> otay whatever works best for you guys
<chillywilly> has there ever been prerelease debs?
<jcater> no
<chillywilly> didn't think so
<chillywilly> man I'm tired
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<derek> no navigator release?
<derek> chillywilly: its easier to put the clothes in a basket and carry them up and down the stairs 
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<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> ba-dum-bum!
<derek> grrr have to wait for massive konq download to install pre release
<derek> as i dont have python2.2-dev it appears
Action: derek swears that package gets "uninstalled" every time i upgrade
<chillywilly> it happens
<chillywilly> I dunno why though
<chillywilly> erm, in general I mean seems some package gets uninstalled on an upgrade
<chillywilly> I need caffiene
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<chillywilly> mmmm, sounds good
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<jamest> no ice cream!
<jamest> test!
<jamest> no nap!
<jamest> no ice cream!
Action: jamest hands out the thwappings
Action: derek is waiting for konq to finish downloading so i can test :(
<jamest> no konq!
<jamest> pr0n after test
<jamest> well, maybe a little pron
<chillywilly> why do you need konq to dl in order to test?
<Vee2d2>   f = open(location + '-PRE050','w')
<Vee2d2>   I think something like -ORIG, or -BACKUP or something would be a lot less confusing to simpletons like myself
Action: jcater thwaps Vee2d2
<jcater> are you questioning our naming logic?
<Vee2d2> -THWAP
<jcater> how about
<jcater> -WORKING
<jcater> :)
<Vee2d2> =)
<jcater> ok
<jcater> now does .ORIG
<derek> chillywilly: i started to install konq
<derek> now installing 0.5.0pre
<derek> i need python2.2-dev
<derek> i cant get that until konq is done
<derek> thus thats why i need konq to download to procede ;)
<jamest> are you sure it's not installed?
<jamest> did common install ok?
<derek> yeah common installed ok
<jamest> then you have python2.2-dev :)
<jamest> hang one I'll upload pre6 in a little bit
<derek> latitude:/home/dneighbo/downloads/GNUe-Forms-0.4.99-pre5# ./setup.py install
<derek> Setup requires that python's distutils be
<derek> installed.  You can get a copy of it from
<derek> http://www.python.org/sigs/distutils-sig/
<derek>     
<derek> latitude:/home/dneighbo/downloads/GNUe-Forms-0.4.99-pre5# 
<derek> er
<jamest> i'm installed the pre* now too
<jamest> and hitting erorrs
<jamest> sigh
<chillywilly> does forms handle a many to many link?
<chillywilly> erm, I suppose I can do it with triggers
<derek> jcater: i have a new one for you .....
<derek>  A balanced diet is a donut in each hand.
Nick change: zteveb -> steveb
<steveb> how mature is sqlite support in gnue?
<jamest> i'm not sure, i thought someone was using it
<jamest> is that the standalone sql db?
<jamest> for self contained apps
<steveb> thats the one
<jamest> if I ever find the time I need to whip up a form using that
<jamest> family member needs something to track their cattle 
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> that sounds funny man
<chillywilly> GNUe Cattle Prodder ;)
<jcater> jamest: gnue reports will do barcode soon
<jcater> but I don't think we have a hot iron output filter
<chillywilly> damn
<jamest> i need barcode for a shipping dept soon too
<Vee2d2> they're generally tagged on the ear with a plastic tag
<jamest> lets hope I dont' confuse the two
<jcater> but barcoding w/a hot iron would be cooler
<jcater> or hotter
<jcater> if you're the cow
<Vee2d2> I have a large format plotter in my garage that I want to hook a laser upto
<derek> any german speakers here?
<chillywilly> hmmm, I can't reach google.com
<chillywilly> can anyone reach google?
<jamest> ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<jamest> konq users
<jamest> gg:chillywilly
<jamest> be afraid
<jamest> be very afraid
<chillywilly> ?
<jamest> oh yeah, and google works
<chillywilly> weird
Action: chillywilly knows about the gg: trick
<chillywilly> hmm, mozilla was being lame
Action: jamest isn't sure he can cope with living in a world where the first 3 hits on gg:chillywilly  link to our chillywilly
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> I kick ass
<chillywilly> ;)
<jamest> derek: uploading pre6 on common and forms
<jamest> designer isn't done yet
<chillywilly> http://www.geocities.com/penguinuity/Animation/ChillyWilly/chillywilly.html
<chillywilly> that's a cool site
<jcater> cool
<jcater> I get top 10 hits on jcater
<jcater> that's new
<chillywilly> Frying some delicious herring, a horrifying example of the penguins habit of consuming all the species they conquer. Chilly Willy is a renowned actor but he is deeply involved with the penguin underground movement as both a chef and a demolitions expert..
<jcater> there used to be an australian motocross racer who would pollute my google score
<jcater> chillywilly: rofl
<chillywilly> One by one the Penguins steal my sanity...
<chillywilly> :)
<jcater> Cyanide-laced popcorn, and the irresistible sales charm of a trained Hollywood professional. Chilling indeed.
<jcater>  
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> http://www.geocities.com/penguinuity/Animation/ChillyWilly/chilwill.wav
<chillywilly> :)
<jcater> chillywilly: is that what you sound like?
<jcater> I expected someone older
<jcater> :)
<derek> jamest i wont make it much longer tonight (sinus killing me)
<jamest> they're uploaded 
<jamest> but I'm not sure they are right as forms shrunk alot
<jamest> missing docs
<jcater> jamest: cold water?
<jcater> oh, docs.... yeah
<chillywilly> http://www.geocities.com/penguinuity/Animation/Hoboken/Hoboken.html
<chillywilly> I love that penguin
<chillywilly> he's so cute
<chillywilly> http://www.geocities.com/penguinuity/Animation/Hoboken/cryingicecubes.jpg
<chillywilly> aaaawwww
Action: derek hugs konq
<derek> wow what an improvement
<derek> if only it had the clean fonts that i was seeing in galeon i think i would be sold
<jcater> ?
<chillywilly> turn AA on
<jcater> go into control center
<jcater> and turn on AA fonts
<chillywilly> what jc said ;)
<jcater> what chillywilly said :)
<jcater> it'll blow the galeon fonts away
<jcater> bwahahaha
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<derek> where the hell is "control center"
<jcater> um
Action: jamest thwaps derek
<jcater> there's an icon on the bottom bar
<derek> i only see "configure konqueror" but i dont see AA there
<jamest> ooooo
Action: derek doesnt run KDE
<jcater> or Settings --> Control Center
<jcater> or run kcontrol manually
<jamest> designer pre6 is up there
<derek> ah much better
<derek> still not quite as clean but much better
Action: jcater wonders if you have the good truetype fonts installed
Action: derek likes the kde look better, but doesnt like the icons :(
<jcater> I have arial and verdana as main fonts
<jcater> very smooth
<jamest> derek: the icon packs are interchangable
<derek> i think it defaults to something hideous like helvectia 
<jamest> in fact there is a debian icon package for kde that adds like 4 other options
<derek> jamest: im not too worried
Action: derek will probably switch wifey pooh over
<derek> maybe even to kmail as well
<derek> so i can get drag/drop support for her
<derek> although evolution has been very solid on her machine
<jcater> you have the weirdest luck w/software
<jcater> I know no one running evolution stably
<jcater> and have many machines running the stuff you find unstable
<jcater> it really is a curse :)
<derek> :)
Action: derek isnt in love with evolution or anything
<derek> it just seems over past 9 months to be only mail program on linux that is usable by wife that doesnt eat mail
<derek> though i note it wouldnt let me 'forward' email
<derek> until i upgraded on my machine
<derek> and that upgrade is what made galeon die
<derek> so in a sick way its 'dependency' train
<derek> very well could be its death in my family
<jamest> you should try pine
<jcater> derek: hmmmm
<jcater> that sounds like some other OS I know
Action: jcater ducks
<derek> no kidding
<derek> jamest: tsk tsk
<derek> pine isnt free software
Action: derek slaps chilly before he utters some mutt comment
<jcater> I'm still using sylphee3d
<chillywilly> HEH
<derek> sadly the most used email client "i" use is squirrelmail right now
<jcater> it's a love-hate relationshop
<derek> jcater: how is its performance
<jcater> that's the reason I use it
<jcater> it's the fastest one I've tried
<derek> i liked sylpheed UNTIL i switched to imap
<jcater> but the interface is lacking
<derek> it was so horrid with imap it was unusable
<jcater> uw-imap or courier/cyrus?
<derek> because i couldnt drag and drop messages to folders
<derek> cyrus
Action: jcater thinks it had a bug w/cyrus
<jcater> it's improved a lot over the last few months
<derek> evolution is good at drag and drop for email folders but
<derek> HORRIDLY slow at reading them in
<jcater> but it's the only decent imap one I've found
<jcater> well, pine is good
<jcater> but I don't use pine
<jcater> evolution's imap cache kept getting screwed up
<derek> yeah pine is good, but non free and not 'wife' friendly
<jcater> at the time, kmail only supported one imap host at a time
<jcater> I have all my users on kmail + imap now
<jcater> but sylpheed is still faster than theirs
<derek> i might try wifey on kmail
<derek> can you test for me if you can drag a .jpg from konq into kmail email
<jcater> but I get no complaints from them
<derek> and see what it does
<derek> if it embeds the photo, i will likely try switching her to all kde
<derek> as she was on kde and konq and liked it
<derek> but had to pull off as she couldnt drag and drop photos to evolution
<derek> guess i should eat own dog food first
<derek> jamest: how is that designer pre coming?
<jamest> <jamest> designer pre6 is up there
<jcater> well
<jcater> I can't find any jpegs
<jcater> but if I drag a PNG into KMail's composer
<jcater> it attaches it like you'd expect
<derek> yummy
Topic changed on #gnuenterprise by jamest!~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net: 0.5.0 forms, designer, common prereleases need testing - listed as 0.4.99-pre# at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/prereleases.php
<derek> jamest: doh missed that
<derek> downloading now
<jamest> i _think_ we're down to final testing and docs
<jamest> so if people don't test and report a bug after 0.5.0 they get a free de-nutting
<chillywilly> you're gonna release tonight, tomorrow?
<jamest> my guess is by the weekend
<chillywilly> oh, ok
<jamest> i want to roll my work and a client over first
<jcater> of course, our original target was Dec 30th
<chillywilly> cause I can't test right now, but thursday looks more likely...
<jcater> so we could be off
<jcater> :)
<derek> i still dont see pre-6 designer
<jamest> what?
<derek> GNUe-Forms-0.4.99-pre5.tar.gz
<derek>  GNUe-Common-0.4.99-pre6.tar.gz
<derek>  GNUe-Common-0.4.99-pre5.tar.gz
<derek>  GNUe-Designer-0.4.99-pre5.tar.gz
<derek>  GNUe-Reports-0.1.0.99-pre5.tar.gz
<derek>  GNUe-Forms-0.4.99-pre6.tar.gz
<derek>  
<derek> is what i see in konq for the website
<jamest> i forgot to gzip the pre6
<chillywilly> ditto
<jamest> fixed now
<derek> ok
<chillywilly> <$ tabs () > 
<chillywilly> what the hell is that?
<chillywilly> b0rken php?
<derek> broken python
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<jamest> the site's in python now?
<derek> i think so
<chillywilly> dunno
--- Wed Apr  2 2003