well my understanding is its a python script that builds the site the triple quote thing makes python very nice for cgi stuff though thiss way it can be 'mirrored' very easily the python script might make some php stuff ah ok that is uh, weird chillywilly: not really we had php site with MINIMAL php we needed it to be mirrorable do it in perl ;) so a python script will 'build' it Action: chillywilly runs or that was my understanding sigh heheh derek: if you're going to be assigning viri to people in dcl then I think I want to opt out :) wa? roflmao chillywilly: we had a "rash" of dcl emails to product-support@gnuenterprise.org that were basically virii vbscript crap? Action: derek notes that konq image rendering leaves something to be desired brb exiting to start kde derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hey reinhard hi nite jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-42.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "[x]chat" derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sigh my computer hates me kde wouldnt fire up come back into gnome and it didnt save any of my session stuff :( so gnome looks like crap now apt-get install kde fails MISERABLY on sid you can't do apt-get install kde Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: kde: Depends: kdelibs3 but it is not going to be installed Depends: libarts or libarts-alsa but it is not going to be installed or libarts-bin but it is not installable Depends: libkmid or libkmid-alsa but it is not going to be installed or libkmid-bin but it is not installable Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed or kdebase3 but it is not installable Depends: kdebase-audiolibs but it is not going to be installed or bah kdebase3-audiolibs but it is not installable Depends: kdebase-libs but it is not going to be installed or kdebase3-libs but it is not installable Depends: kdebase-doc but it is not going to be installed or kdebase3-doc but it is not installable Depends: kab but it is not going to be installed Depends: kpm but it is not going to be installed Depends: kfract but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages ' if i try to grab virtually any kde package i get some unmet dependency problem Action: chillywilly smacks derek around some Action: derek goes to bed apt-get install konqueror worked? try apt-get install kdebase kdebase seems to be working apt-get install kdenetwork oh cool Stan mentions SCORE chillywilly: that seems to be going lemme grep all my kde packages for ya give you a list to try can you email to derek@gnue.org i really need sleep Action: derek is away: sleep mucho gracias in advance too big to paste lemme stick them in a file danielb@frodo:~$ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep kde | awk '{print $2}' > packages.txt I love unix :) http://www.libertyetech.com/packages.txt cat packages.txt | xargs apt-get -y to install erm cat packages.txt | xargs apt-get -y install oh, you want me to email it... kreiszner (kreiszner@ppp008.alx.la.xspedius.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hilbert.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~office@195.218.176.179) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: how'd the testing go? life is strange i just got a call from a co-worker seems that if I let some research company here is town shave my face in the morning then look at my face in the afternoon i get $50 jamest (~jamest@hilbert.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" jamest (~jamest@hilbert.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. product research guinea pig =) My old boss did that every thursday night.. never knew exactly what he'd be doing.. mostly eating something and giving his opinion of it i have no desire to be a test subject for food/drugs but it sounds like an easy $50 :) Action: jamest will show up and they'll be testing a new razor attachment for a belt sander "hold still or we might nick you" haha how's gnue-sb working with the prerelease/cvs code? I just quickly went through and made sure the forms loaded, no time to play atm.. Stoke (~stoker@ppp264.tc-1.roc-pt.ny.localnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. say, when you were working with the image support.. were you storing actual images, or references to them? jamest hope to get some testing done tonight reference good reference at the moment it should be trival to add support for the other, in fact the stub is already there i also want to get image support into triggers Action: Vee2d2 feels giddy how does it handle non-existing images? silently show nothing? or perhaps a default 'missing' or 'woops' image substituted in such cases? segfault? Action: Vee2d2 hunts down the source of $39 cash deposit in july '02 I need better deposit slips um, I don't recall i think it'll go blank image support is really, really rough but I had a need ooooo I'm still giddy.. this is neat stuff test it and let me know :) where can I find your example(s)? I may do just that after I get done with all this other crap.. wait.. I think I recall seeing something fly through the lists.. ? hmmmm i don't have one here Char:y="6" block="blkXref_image" field="fldUrl"/> cool i've put a hacked up sample of the scanner.gfd I'm making for a client at www.math.ksu.edu/~jamest/scanner.gfd you'll see it's very specific to their hardware/need but it does function at least it did before I removed their site specific stuff via vi and didn't test :) dsmith (~dsmith@borg.altus.cc) joined #gnuenterprise. ok, how does one 'load' image support? =) DB000: raise "Form contains a and image support not loaded" DB000: Form contains a and image support not loaded install the PIL library python imaging library wow neat.. I like the error in the dialog box, first time I'd seen that. that's rough too :) but a lot of shit had to change to make that happen Action: jamest has flashbacks what's cool though is that's a gfd file forms/src/dialogs yea real neat if you put your own in there it's globally available to all your forms I guess if I wanted the message on the console as well I could enable some debugging..? i don't recall we specifically have to call for a dialog deprogram (~hmason@66.94.69.196) joined #gnuenterprise. but I don't think we have code in to also dump the message to the debug system that should be a 1 liner change though as the dialog doesnt seem very cut and paste friendly.. I expected this error as I dont have the right datasource setup.. but I can imagine working with people and their problems it'd be easier to tell 'em to enable debugging and paste the message.. that's a good idea so ctrl-c doesn't copy the text? I cant seem to select it ah try this click on the start of the text then use shift and the cursor keys to select I think our mouse selection stuff is foo'd nuttin sigh Action: jamest thwaps forms around a bit ooo do me a favor forms/src/dialogs/messageBox/messageBox.gfd line remove readonly="" and try again hmm.. nope drat coffee, etc.. brb Action: deprogram exits lurk mode greetings howdy i've been casting around the open-source world for CRM/ERP/accounting stuff gnue looks interesting, but there isn't much 'there' we're slow :) which makes it difficult to evaluate :) we've been concentrating on tools that's what it looks like you can build some pretty decent stuff today w/ our tools and gnue-sb and papo are both using those tools to start projects targeted at biz use yeah - i like the concepts here's some background: we're a tiny (5 person) shop that maintains a VMS-based accounting/manufacturing system i've been tasked with bringing the system up to date meaning (as far as i'm concerned) a modern VHLL instead of cobol, and a 3-tier architecture right now I'm not certain the status of appserver (which would give you the 3 tier setup) i know it's being worked on but I'm not sure where it's at i see however the common/designer/forms/reports framework what you are working on is the GUI tools? we have 4 projects that i'm involved with common - a python application framework that contains a huge amount of core coding i need to delve into that stuff, see how it works it provides things like db abstraction, triggers, configuration, debugging, profiling, xml to object mapper i've started a simple tutorial that is in cvs aha forms - a ui runtime that will support 2|N tier apps - I'm not certin of the appserver driver status but it's in there yeah, i saw that it does away with the concept of widgets and was inspired by concepts found in Oracle's SQL*Forms i think today it's better in most ways than the last version of the oracle tools I worked with psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust49.midd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. designer - a gui painter that lets you create forms/reports/etc i put the windows package on my box, it looked promising reports - a reporting engine i would really like the cross-platform front-end designer is the meat of forms, it's wizards allow you to go from table structure to working form in seconds speaking of table structures... that's the most 'missing' part of the whole deal reports is pretty powerfull as well, I use it to drive nightly reports and occasional mass faxing you have the cvs checked out? i'm about too windows on my workstation (ick) i believe the packages dir in cvs was the start of the structures it was meant to be loaded by geas (the old appserver) ic then tables were automatically created i think the new appserver works in a similar mannor but I can't say for certain sounds nice. i'd like to leverage the development effort of the community a little rather than building something from scratch, and be faced with maintaining it obvious stuff, but my boss is used to a proprietary development model yeah I may be a bit bias here ( of course :) but you can do an amazing amount of work in very little time w/ gnue if you have existing tables lemme find example well, i sorta do - however their structure is still that of a legacy package, and they need to be massaged into something cleaner i have a form that looks up data in a table structure created by a java app it pulls from 8 databases pretty serious the .gfd file is 349 lines of xml that's not bad, actually 12 lines of which I had to write the rest designer did it's a 5 page UI with tabs getting the cvs... i will way the win32 ui on the 0.4.x series sucked s/way/say aha think that's the version i have btami has been writing a native win32 driver for 0.5.x would be better we've also got a qt and curses ui driver under development i recall you mentioning vms well, i did dimas (~office@195.218.176.179) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" if you've got some old VT###s laying about they'd still be usable w/ the curses driver mentioned leaving it behind :P we do... noone uses them everyone uses the legacy package with a legacy term emulator my boss wants a pretty gui sigh (everyone wants a pretty gui) forms does function over pretty it's a GUI and it's expanding what it can do i don't care so long as i can encapsulate as much functionality as i can in free tools/platforms but you don't have the same concept of widgets as a normal toolkit Action: dsmith hungers for the web gui Action: jamest hungers for 0.5.0 Action: deprogram hungers for something other than COBOL and RMS lol office (~office@195.218.176.179) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: office -> dimas jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm. setup.py can't find the distutils (under windows) you have a newer python install? 2.2.2 that's odd, i swore distutils was standard after 2.0 it is :) i have it any chance you are testing the -pre5 releases instead of -pre6? 100% chance, in fact we packed those wrong :-/ sorry s/we/I i guess so :) ooo, i'm sorry, i thought you were grabbing cvs lemme untar these suckers on a real platform i did - but that's on a debian box pre5 is broken on all platforms debian eh? Action: deprogram loves debian you'll fit in fine here :) aahaha! dimas (~office@195.218.176.179) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" cvs version installs... johannes_ (~johannes@M1250P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" lupo (~lupo@pD95421D2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~office@195.218.176.179) joined #gnuenterprise. good lupo: you didn't like the Java based gnue yesterday? :) wow, there's a big flame war happening on the GSL list GSL? some dork starting whining about using the GPL GNU scientific library he even started calling the gsl authors "copyleft-commies" deprogram (~hmason@66.94.69.196) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) what an idiot why do ppl think just because they can hide behind their computer that gives them the right to be jackasses? I think it is pretty cowardly I am willing to bet 9 times out of 10 they don't even have the guts to "flame" people to their face given the offline definition of flame I hope not :) but yeah geeks and their computers are like suburbanites and their cars invinsible when they are behind them ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) heheh dimas (~office@195.218.176.179) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" back chillywilly: those who writes the software gets to choose the license, and if someone else doesn't like it, s/he should piss off. ;) nah, we should just go around harassing proprietary vendors ;) j/k if someone wants to develop on gnue without obeying to the gpl ... well, these are the rules which we agreed upon as a community, and noone else gets to complain hey, we're already harassing, think of compiere :) hehe lupo (~lupo@pD95421D2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "youam: porbier mal nen lookup von www.awiband.ch auf server 212.101.27.3 bzw 4" ok, website updated for pre-releases announcement well, www.gnuenterprise.org already is and www.gnu.org should follow on next refresh we should've done something for april 1st yesterday ;) didn't see any good april fools this year the one in my paper was too obvious whats the word on dcl and gnue? i really like the gnue toolset and i've recently been delegated some project managements tasks for a housing cooperative; any suggestions for project management tools? dcl ;) indeed are their any gnue forms to access dcl tables? hmmm, I think derek had made some, but I dunno if they are complete or useful at this point they're probably old 0.4.x format ok. web applications get on my nerves sometimes. if there were gnue forms for dcl, i would be super stoked. however, i think dcl will suite my needs just fine (i hope). :) you're not alone on the web apps thing at least not here what do you think of mrproject and toutdoux? deprogram (~hmason@66.94.69.196) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (~fixe@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-199-83.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. deprogram: how's it going wrt to cvs? and has anyone tested out the latest prereleases? http://www.libertyetech.com/test.html what? no collission detection? http://www.libertyetech.com/style.gif they were originally animated butterlfies http://www.livejournal.com/community/lj_art/101418.html Action: jcater thwaps chillywilly that's not testing HEH they install, but of course the scripts don't work on windowz, and executing the programs directly doesn't work previously i installed the 'tools' package, and it created a much more conventional windows install unsure what tools were used to create the tools install Action: chillywilly goes back to doing productive things ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-194-184.bras01.glv.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. deprogram : running GNUe from CVS on Windows is do-able I don't know if the best way is to install the official 0.4.3 exes first then install the 0.5.0 pre releases over the top or ok, i was going to do that (4.3 install) whether that gets you even more lost Our Win32 expert is btami, but I haven;t seen him a while well, the 4.3 install creates a conventional 'program files/gnue' folder structure (he has been maint the *.exe releases) whereas the cvs stuff installs to the 'python/shared' area psu: that won't work the .exe installs are a snapshot of certain python libraries and the python files that's what i gathered you have to have a full python installation on windows i do... fwiw if windows had an actual shell from which i could execute the startup scripts, i might have a chance Action: psu shuts up before I knack deprogram's computer for him no worries, psu Start-Programs-Accesories-Command Prompt? i've got .Net and VS6 on this thing. phear. Action: psu had to use the Win XP shell the other day no command prompt?!?!? well, that's the dos shell accidently tried to use tab completion and guess what - it worked! this will be a bi0tch to test w/o that yeah, yeah i have 2k, btw the scripts just set up environment? wait - they're actually python reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) hmmm. ran one with python, and it sorta worked some non-fatal errors :> siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-223-252.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@195.228.11.125) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all greetings reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi btami, hi reinhard hi btami we have someone here who needs to pick your brains re running CVS on Win32 hi siesel,psu Action: psu ducks out of conversation before he sends deprogram down any more wrong turns i'v never run gnue from cvs, (like setup-cvs.py), but setup.py install from all tools (on win32) lol wrong turns != problem how do you run the tools, then? yeah, #gnuenterprise is a good place to get "learning experiences" ;-) heh. learning is pretty much all i do. learning COBOL, right now it is possible to run it with setup-cvs-win.py, but it needs all (python install etc.) to bee on ntfs and my python install is on FAT32 :( and setup-cvs-win.py needs some hard to find tools to create hardlinks on ntfs oh, really? i'm ntfs erm i hate this platform ntfs5 (win2k, xp) me too :) but i have to develop for my customers :( anyhow, i'm suggesting "setup.py install" method jcater/jamest: there is a problem with forms/setup.py copy_to = 'lib/python/gnue/forms', template = ['recursive-include src/dialogs *.gfd', but forms wants these gfd's in gnue/forms/dialogs dir me too (support and develop) everything works pretty well, i do receive this error when selecting a mysql data source: DB000: gnue.common.datasources.GDataObjects.ProviderNotSupportedError: No databa se driver found for provider type 'mysql' you have have the mysqldb python drivers installed? http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python thought so, lemme see jcater: another bug forms created wit designer wizards fails with well, that's what the prereleases are for KeyError: __main__ hmm they create name="form" not __main__