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<Arturas> Hello
<ra3vat> hello Arturas
<Arturas> hi Dmitry :)
<ra3vat> Arturas: was anything being discussed about multilingual forms?
<ra3vat> where i can switch labels of a form from on lang to another 
<ra3vat> one
<Arturas> you mean - recently ?
<Arturas> on the whole labels depend on your system locale
<Arturas> but i don't know how this works on Windowws
<ra3vat> Arturas: but to be translated labels should be in .mo file at least
<ra3vat> and they are not now
<Arturas> what do you mean by "to be translated" ?
<Arturas> in .mo should be labels in English
<Arturas> and treir translations
<ra3vat> Arturas: i'm talking about labels which are inside .gfd files
<Arturas> oh
<Arturas> those are not translated
<Arturas> at least i did nothing to translate them
<Arturas> i thought if there is a need to have multilingual form
<Arturas> (1) i didn't manage to think where such form could be needed
<Arturas> (2) it's possible to have two equal forms for each language each
<Arturas> so on the whole
<Arturas> i left this kind of stuff not implemented
<Arturas> i mean, i don;t know (and i didn't yet think) how to do this
<Arturas> i'd like first to have some real-world situation
<ra3vat> Arturas: one situation is this:
<ra3vat> i have forms in ru_RU and i'd like to make screenshots, put them on the web and discuss some questions i'm facing
<ra3vat> but it would be hard for most of you to help if purpose of the form will be lost in screwed (unreadable) labels
<ra3vat> and it is hard to keep 2 forms in different langs in sync
<Arturas> hm, thats right
<Arturas> but
<Arturas> you write and define .gfd file by yourself
<Arturas> you get translation file (.mo) from GNUe => not by yourself
<Arturas> (1) how can i create & make translation file for you
<Arturas> so you have to create and maintain translations by yourself
<Arturas> that's fine
<ra3vat> i have to do it myself somehow but it also should be supported
<Arturas> let's say for xyz.gfd form we define translation file xyz.tran
<Arturas> let's say file structure is simpliest as possible
<Arturas> string1 = translated_string1
<Arturas> (something like that)
<Arturas> we could add support for this
<Arturas> each label from .gfd form would be looked up in .tran file and if translation is found it would be replaced
<ra3vat> translated for what lang/locale?
<Arturas> that's the basics of what i think
<Arturas> it could be defined in the same .tran file
<Arturas> that is we could have many locales there
<Arturas> on the other hand, we could integrate .tran file into .gfd file
<ra3vat> yes
<Arturas> that is make additional section <translation language="ru_RU">....</translation>
<Arturas> something like that
<Arturas> that would be better
<Arturas> although more complicated
<ra3vat> may be it is possible via trigger right now
<Arturas> the question is, whether this decision is really the best
<Arturas> maybe we could make it somehow different, somehow better
Action: Arturas would like to get "yes" from jcater/jamest/derek :))
Action: ra3vat would not like to get "trout slap" from chillywilly/whoever :)
<Arturas> so on the whole you do agree with this idea?
<ra3vat> Arturas: yes, something like this
<Arturas> then i'll compose and send email to gnue-dev@gnuenterprise.org 
<ra3vat> great
<Arturas> with request for comments :)
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<Arturas> ra3vat: i sent a letter to gnue-dev@gnu.org, but i get neither letter itself, nor error message
<Arturas> have to go now
<Arturas> bye :)
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<RabidDog> Hi has anyone got some time for a newbie?
<jamest> sure
<jamest> by i'll be choppy (that real work thing)
<RabidDog> thx... just trying to get setup, but i figure i've got some misconceptions. Is GNUe classified as an application or an application framework?
<jamest> at this point it's an application framework
<jamest> its a bunch of tools that should make it easy to build the GNUe packages (HR, AR, MFG, ETC)
<jamest> the tools are quite usefull on their own however
<RabidDog> ok... that fits my experiences, thus far. I have a good idea of what I want my system to do, but can't figure out where to start... ;-(
<jamest> are you working with an existing system
<RabidDog> No... just about to build it ;-)
<RabidDog> do i need to kick appserver first?
<jamest> appserver isn't required unless you're wanting a three tier setup
<jamest> but if you do want that then yes
<jamest> appserver was restarted from scratch a while back
<RabidDog> my basic system would be time/expense logging, leading up to accounting and invoicing, followed by full ledger/bank reconciliation
<jamest> so it's last release is still a bit rough (i think)
<jamest> but progress is being made
<havoc> http://www.jsonline.com/news/gen/apr03/134419.asp
<havoc> glas to see WI has some sensible leadership
<havoc> s/glas/glad/
<havoc> too bad he's a republican :(
<havoc> (as he could not run for pres.)
<RabidDog> when i try --selftest it throws a funny for psycopg
<RabidDog> gnue.common.datasources.GDataObjects.ProviderNotSupportedError: No database driver found for provider type 'psycopg'
<jamest> it looks like it's trying too access a postgresql database
<jamest> psycopg is one of the postgresql dirvers
<RabidDog> yes... postgres is running and ready for network connections, and i've even got a database ready and waiting
<jamest> ah
<jamest> what OS?
<jamest> or distro
<RabidDog> RH-8.0
<jamest> is this fully installed?
<jamest> you need a postgresql db driver for python installed
<RabidDog> i assume that i'm missing a link to (or the actual) psycopg driver at this stage
<jamest> then you need (on an installed copy) to edit /usr/local/gnue/etc/connections.conf
<jamest> the drivers are not part of std python
<RabidDog> ah ha.... ;-)
<jamest> on debian I do apt-get install python-psycopg
<jamest> not sure the RH equiv
<jamest> however if you're dealing w/ timestamps I'd suggest using a different driver 
<jamest> like popy
<jamest> i hit some wierd issues with psycopg and timestamps Wed. night
<jamest> it seems to drop the resolution below the second
<jamest> so our commits/updates/etc don't work
<jamest> as the record will have 4/18/2003 8:30:13.12345
<jamest> but we see  4/18/2003 8:30:13
<jamest> i didn't dig into it as switching from psycopg to popy solved the problem
<RabidDog> Hmmm.... 'E: Couldn't find package python-psycopg'
<RabidDog> popy??? let's see....
<RabidDog> Nope... 'E: Couldn't find package python-popy'
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<RabidDog> Do you know the URL
<RabidDog> ok... found it on SF ;-)  THX   -  "I'll be back...!"
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<derek> sup stuq
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<havoc> ok, anyone here good w/ iptables?
<havoc> I'm trying to do something like -> http://devel.daemonic.org/mx_network.png
<derek> im good at breaking iptables to the point where the people good with it cant fix it ;)
<havoc> hmm, that may not be good enough ;)
<jamest> i dont' follow the drawing
<havoc> I have a MASQ'd lan off eth1
<havoc> and I want *all* traffice to 1.2.3.5 to go to Box2
<havoc> -e
<havoc> like 1:1 NAT or something
<jamest> i've not got anything like that w/ iptables
<havoc> doh, think I got it
<havoc> having a default route helps ;)
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<derek> susp jbailey
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<Vee2d2> hmm.. wonder if there are language howtos on the net somewhere.. 
<Vee2d2> I could use some espanola skooling
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<Vee2d2> would probably stand better to just try and glean what I can from someone who speaks it.. 
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<jbailey> derek: Not much.  Just gave Angie her Easter chocolate.
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<chillywilly> ello
<havoc> hola
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<chillywilly> havoc: where can you configure key bindings in the net xchat?
<chillywilly> new*
<havoc> no clue
<chillywilly> you don't use key binding to navigate tabs?
<havoc> alt-#
<chillywilly> erm, too many channels I like to stay joined to for that
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<havoc> it's kindof broken though
<havoc> just like everything else associated w/ gtk2/gnome2
<chillywilly> :(
<dsmith> chillywilly: Hold the mouse pointer over the tab and click.  It's pretty usniversal.
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<chillywilly> ah I found the key binding dialog
<chillywilly> naaa naaa naaa naaa naaaah
<havoc> chillywilly: where?
<havoc> nm
<chillywilly> settings->lists->key bindings...
<chillywilly> someone /msg me once ;)
<chillywilly> this is the thing that annoyed me xchat kept forgetting its settings and would not open a new tab on /msg
<chillywilly> it works
<chillywilly> yay
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<chillywilly> bye jeff...
<havoc> chillywilly: CTRL-PGUP/PGDN
<chillywilly> I usually set it to my customer bindings..
<chillywilly> cutom even
<chillywilly> blah
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<chillywilly> sleeping at noon?
<chillywilly> slacker
<chillywilly> gov't workers...sheesh ;)
<chillywilly> oh sorry 11am
<chillywilly> that's still bad ;)
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<dsmith> Hrmf.
<chillywilly> wb, home fry
<dsmith> The boss (ex-boss?) is asking about a nice gui drag-and-drop application development environtment again.
<dsmith> But only for WEB, not ncurses or gtk. :(
<chillywilly> drag and drop web development?
<dsmith> Yeah, that's what he wants.
<dsmith> Like dreamweaver.
<chillywilly> gah
<drochaid> drag him to a cliff edge and drop him over it?
<chillywilly> most of those things generate crap html
<dsmith> I asked if he wanted to fund development of the gnue web interface.
<dsmith> No answer yet.
<jbailey> a gnue web interface probsably wouldn't have d&d in its first rev.
<jbailey> That's some pretty heavy javascript to get that right.
<jbailey> And no browser implements that standard way of doing those things yet.
<dsmith> jbailey: Just the design/develop tool needs ot be d&d.
<jbailey> But still, web based is quite difficult.
<jbailey> I've been working on some D&D stuff over the past year, and my conclusion keeps being that the browsers just aren't ready for it yet.
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<ibr> hi all!
<jamest> howdy
<ibr> thanks :) . and you?
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<derek> is that mike?
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