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InsanitY (insanity@co58147-a.olden1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "changing servers" InsanitY (insanity@co58147-a.olden1.ov.home.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. vroooom InsanitY (insanity@co58147-a.olden1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "changing servers" InsanitY (insanity@co58147-a.olden1.ov.home.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. volf_ (~volf@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) volf_ (~volf@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) InsanitY (insanity@co58147-a.olden1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "changing servers" ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. esands_ (~nic@mdr1-port42.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. esands (~nic@mdr1-port55.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) InsanitY (insanity@co58147-a.olden1.ov.home.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. carX (~CARX@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) joined #gnuenterprise. how's it going out there carX: everything is OK steveb_ (~steveb@202-0-44-181.adsl.paradise.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. great I've been looking around at business financial/crm and I am wondering where gnue is at in terms of usability carX: tools are very useful modules are not ready yet steveb (~steveb@202-0-44-181.adsl.paradise.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) lupo_ (~lupo@p5085F92E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat sorry, I got interrupted ok ra3vat, so I have a small business, and I am up there in terms of admin/programming skills, can I start using gnue for my accounting today I need the basic functionaility that gnucash has as well as assets and depreciations [11:18] modules are not ready yet all right so what does that mean? no apps yet I see, what do the tools do so far? only tools and a designer to make quik 2-tier designs you cna take a database and create a forms and write triggers for that form whereas two-tier mode works excellent carX: you can quick set db application for simple thing like contact managenebt and then extend how many developers are regular contributors, do you know? gnue small business is in the works right now too I saw that carX: i'd say 5 ppl core, 20 contributors too many look at the contributors page ;) http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/community/contrib.html what is the db of preference among the developers? rdbms I mean postgres postgres, definitely okay so if I want to install the toolset, where should I begin? carX: what platform? redhat 7.2 or 9 your choice I prefer compiling things over rpm though the choice here would be debian i suppose :) you won't need to compile GNUe I am all about getting linux into small/medium sized businesses so RedHat is the likely winner there I've never tried debian Small/medium sized business Debian is as likely as redhat medium to large is where debian looses out from lack of corporate support. (and you usually have full time people to do the work of maintaining the more difficult system) don't we have rpms? i'm not sure we have I'm looking at the tarballs on http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php which should I start with to get this going install gnue common install gnue forms all right what are the dependencies? few python modules like mxDateTime psycopg I saw that, will python 2 work ? yes python >= 2.1 great does it have any problems with gnome 2 carX: wxPython no known probs with gnome 2 great, except for gnome two eating too much resources :) yeah all right use flux box instead jbailey: can you give me any compelling arguments for switching to debian from redhat as my distro of choice? carX: you'll forget about dependencies? ra3vat: ?? :) let's wait for jbailey as i'm newbie in debian no rpm hell ;) written by the community, easy to maintain apt-get install 10,000+ packages in the archive you can gets jbailey jbailey's gnue debs ;P rpms are hell, but isn't apt-get just another form of the same inferno? nope it'll pull all dependencies for you and install can you do dry runs, to see what it will do dry runs? erm, yea there's a switch to say don't install okay, so what about the installation, not that I need it, but is it simple like anything? carX: Depends what yuo're doing (sorry, cooking lunch at the same time) also, if you just wanna try debian I'd suggest gettingt a knoppix CD which is a debian based CD distro carX: I like Debian because I never have to compile from source. I never have to hunt for rpms. boots and runs off a CD I don't have to pay extra to get access to security fixes in a timely manner But there's some less tangible things, and IMO more important: A commitment to Free software. A social contract that says that Debian won't hide bugs and will work with upstream to get bugs fixed. yeah I hear that part, RedHat is only good as long as it stays good, while debian is a virgin so to speak but The ability that if you want to make a difference, you can. I hear that too I wouldn't call debian virginal. It's been around a long time. Has around 900 developers. With this release it should be LSB compliant, so commercial apps being written to that standard shoudl all run andbe supported. Action: ra3vat hands a knoppix cd he owns for carX I've never trieed knoppix. It just seems like yet another distribution for Debian to swallow. =) the cool thing is you just change your apt lines and voila you have regular old debian Yup. I think that's how we swalloed progeny and corel, too. =) "oh look, this commercial distro is annoying for X reason. Back to debian we go!" Is knoppix commercial? commercial? or is it just tomething cool something lupo_: not to be confused with prop. it is commercial commercial Free Software does exist you know ;) it's made by klaus knopper, a german engineer right does he sell it commercially i know that comm. FS exists :) he does not really sell it he makes custom versions of it but the generic knoppix is quite a lot "for fun" work right so it is half-half non-commercial and commercial pitily, knoppix has some non-Free packages some Netscrappy plugins and Acrobat Reader ... where's the frellin' english version of knoppix.org ;) hehe I'm looking forward to when Simon write a decent acrobat reader. I'm looking forward to "I will send you ps.gz files" which is a perfect PDF replacement ps files aren't that easy to render to a screen, though. so what on my machine, .ps renders 100x faster than acrobat (at the times when i used it) So I don't think it'll happen. knoppix.net seems to be better fixe (~fixe@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. return_of_the_ca (~CARX@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) joined #gnuenterprise. is it all right if kick the carX nickname off jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" who is the op? carX (~CARX@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: return_of_the_ca -> carX the lemburg site for the python modules isn't up, is there a mirror? nicknames don't matter :) sorry I don't know anything about irc I can't seem to fing the python modules at the site in the INSTALL file, is there a mirror? which modules are you looking for? mxDateTime, psycopg, wx ?? yeah those try to find RPMs at rpmfind.net I thought they were custom(I don't know anyting about Python either) I'll check for them on the redhat 9 cs they are not specific to gnue will the rpms contain "python" in their name? perhaps well certainly :) Action: chillywilly downloads a knoppix iso I should try this thing out once ;) where are you getting that from? or how are you getting it ? KNOPPIX_V3.2-2003-04-18-EN.iso wops one sec rsync --progress rsync://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.2-2003-04-18-EN.isrsync --progress rsync://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.2-2003-04-18-EN.iso /opt/knoppix 20119552 2% 240.04kB/s 0:49:16o /opt/knoppix 20119552 2% 240.04kB/s 0:49:16 blah pasting just isn't happening today rsync --progress rsync://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.2-2003-04-18-EN.iso /opt/knoppix that's what I am doing where do you do that, in your irc client ? no I am using rsync downloading it to my server where the big HD is :) root@gandalf:/opt/knoppix# rsync --progress rsync://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.2-2003-04-18-EN.iso /opt/knoppix if you do my client notified me that you are getting the knoppix iso, how did it know, or did you do that rsync rsync://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/ it'll print out a file list rsync rsync://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/ no from the shell this has nothing to do with irc I pasted those lines in ;) oh I see hehe it had a * next to it rather than your nickname, what does that mean Action: chillywilly like this that's a /me does this comannd yeah... what's that mean Action: chillywilly does this Action: carX so cool Action: chillywilly shows carX how to rsync knoppix :) Action: carX is chillin with willy :) this is definitely a South Park moment heheh anyhow, I see about twelve different python rpms am I looking for the devel one blah ;) that's the thing that annoys me about rpms having to look for them yeah they are annoying apt-cache search package apt-get install package :) I see are you on rpmfind.org? no .net cause that;s what I used to use back in my redhat days I'll go there though yea, .net whatever it is doesn't redhat have apt ported? cause apt is supposed to be able to install rpms to know I am downloading the debian isos now(jigdoing them) what is the dif between the knoppix and the woody knoppix is totally different distro runs off the CD and you can install it too supposedly woody is official debian I'd try knoppix out if you change your sources.list line lines you can point at the official debian mirror and switch over to official debian whever you feel like it a/the/an/ s/the/an/ chillywilly: you are lenfusing cotters! debian and debian based distros are highly upgradable that's another thing I like whenever I tried upgrading redhat it never worked maybe it works better now but back then it sucked I always had to buy a new version from the store well I download the isos, but yeah the upgrade still isn't great, last time all my network settings died :( it was pretty lousy really lame I run the "unstable/development" debian and upgrade it all the time with no flaws apt-get update apt-get [dist-]upgrade debian has 3 "branches" stable, testing, and unstable unstable has the latest and greatest, for testing I think if I package has few critical bugs in so many days it will make it's way into testing, and stable is whatever was last released and only gets new packages on critical security fixes, IIRC s/I/a/ one big criticism of debian is you basicallu have to run unstable cause it takes forever for a "release" but stable debian is a lot more solid...plus there's so many ppl to coordinate things with it just takes a while it's getting better though now that they these 3 packages pools: stable, testing, and unstable erm, have these I run testing on my server and unstable for a workstation w00t hi jcater got my first community wireless setup working last night community wireless? like a wireless network for the whole neighborhoood? wife's bookstore and one of her friends in the area share DSL now ah that's cool pulling 52KB/s Action: jcater was happy http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=6410 I got the mxDate Package, now when I run "python2 setup.py install" I get a prefix error am I still missing something ? its something about a dict prefix, I checked the setup.py file, but I can't tell what its doing rdean (~rdean@c-66-177-158-116.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone know if there's a pci scsi driver like the ide-scsi one for making a pci device look like a scsi device I have GNUe-Commin installed, and the docs say after I install GNUe-Forms I should get a gnue/gnuef directory but I see no gnuef inside gnue carX: have you installed forms? I think so, I ran "python2 setup.py install" in the GNUe-Forms directory and it completed without an error gnuef references to forms directory i think carX: does /usr/local/bin/gnue-forms --version show anything? chillywilly: ide-scsi is a scsi emulator for IDE drives has nothing to do w/ISA vs PCI yeah it gives me version 0.5.0 so that's good yes it's installed how come it didn't give me a /usr/local/gnue/gnuef dir? ? there should be a /usr/local/gnue/ directory with lib/python containing the python code yeah there is, etc/ containing configuration data y [14:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s). etc. I am following the docs to get a sample going which docs reference a gnuef dir ? yeah, gnue/gnuef mentioned in INSTALL gack that's an old reference :) Action: jcater needs to reread the INSTALL directions forms/INSTALL yeah carX: you should be able to go into your source directory, then forms/samples/intro and run gnue-forms intro.grfd err and run gnue-forms intro.gfd what is the source directory what you untarred probably GNUe-Forms-0.5.0/ gotcha there are some major errors, I've set up the gnue database and postgres is running rdean (~rdean@c-66-177-158-116.se.client2.attbi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection I tried gnue-forms intro.gfd and the last line of the output is DB000 KeyError so where do I find a connections file? the /sample/zipcode/states.gfd example says the connections file has no entry for gnue carX: etc/connections.conf that file doesn't exist on my system, is there a vanilla sample somewhere carX: did you get intro.gfd working? no it gives a DB0000 Key Error I am a mysql user, so I am not sure what end this is on, intro.gfd should not require any db can you paste the whole error message? it kills my shell so no unfortunately that'll make it hard to trace remotely yeah I'll see what I can do try to get the most of information out of the error message I tried a new thing gnue-forms text intro.gfd and now I get this error its a gnue error what do you mean by "text" ? Error: Parameter "intro.gfd" specified but no value suplied I saw it in a readme you can bring up either "gnue-forms gui *.gfd" or "gnue-text *.gfd" sorry you should not use "text" option to run it "gnue-forms text *.gfd" okay honestly, i wouldn't trust that doc. :) what "gnue-forms intro.gfd" gives you? DB000: Traceback (most recent call last): DB000: File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 43, in ? DB000: GFClient().run() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 151, in run DB000: instance.activate() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 311, in activate DB000: self.buildForm(dialog) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 352, in buildForm DB000: self._uiinstance.buildForm(form, formName) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/UIdriver.py", line 252, in buildForm DB000: self._gfObjToUIWidget[form].phaseInit() DB000: KeyError: that's a 2> redirect from gnue-forms I have a feeling I don't have some python package insalled but heck if I know rpm -qa |grep wx ??? nothing I'll go looking for that now [root@ics scripts]# rpm -qa |grep wx wxPythonGTK-2.3.3.1-alt1 wxGTK-2.2.9-alt2 wxGTK-devel-2.2.9-alt2 wxGTK-gl-2.2.9-alt2 it is not redhat but you should have something similar IMHO on rpmfind.net all I can find in wxPython are "madrake cookers" I've been meaning to ask this for quite a while now, what the hell is a mandrake cooker ???? mandrake cooker is the development version of mandrake jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: ra3vat is googling with "Redhat Install site:.gnuenterprise.org" Nick change: lupo_ -> lupo the link "dependencies web page" from http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/community/docs/redhat_install.html references to nonexistent http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/dependencies/python2.1/ dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-224.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I installed the wx GTK, Python, GL and devel rpms and things are working a little better here is what I get now DB000: Traceback (most recent call last): DB000: File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 43, in ? DB000: GFClient().run() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 151, in run DB000: instance.activate() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 311, in activate DB000: self.buildForm(dialog) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 352, in buildForm DB000: self._uiinstance.buildForm(form, formName) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/UIdriver.py", line 252, in buildForm DB000: self._gfObjToUIWidget[form].phaseInit() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 80, in phaseInit DB000: self._phaseInit(phase) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 100, in _phaseInit DB000: inits[phase]() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/widgets/_base.py", line 99, in primaryInit DB000: newWidget = self.createWidget(self._creationEvent, spacer) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/widgets/_base.py", line 150, in createWidget DB000: newWidget = self._createWidget(event, spacer) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/widgets/form/widget.py", line 105, in _createWidget DB000: MenuBar(self._uiDriver, self.containerFrame, self._form) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 85, in __init__ DB000: self.finalize() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 96, in finalize DB000: self.__createmenu(_DEFAULT_MENU,m) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 114, in __createmenu DB000: self.__createmenu(contents, m) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 107, in __c DB000: self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name, parent, userAction) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 83, in addAction DB000: parent.AppendItem(item) DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/windows.py", line 815, in AppendItem DB000: val = apply(windowsc.wxMenu_AppendItem,(self,) + _args, _kwargs) DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7/src/gtk/menu.cpp(1460): unknown keyboard accel and a grey window box also comes up in focus, while the above spits out onto the shell hm, i have some warnings about accel keys but nothing that stops forms from working do we work with wxPython 2.4.0 ? I think I just moved to that for the Debian packages. 2.2-2.4.0.7-1 (not that the current ones work at all. *g*) havoc_lt (~havoc@CPE-65-31-171-97.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. carX: do you have wxPython demo working? where can I find that, I installed an rpm , so I am not sure it will be around I see I'll install them and check if there is no a package, look at the wxpython.org does it have a monty python splash screen ? ra3vat: Does it start with a Monty Python screeen http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPythonDemo-2.4.0.7.tar.gz yeah I installed it, its working ok so its not wxPython, what else could it be? jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" i'm not sure i could help oh well, I'll post to the mailing list and see what happens thanks a pile for your time! carX: may be tomorrow there will be more people to help you here yeah I'll check back then ra3vat do you know how/where to change sys.path? which is Python's search path another question for you what does your /gnue tree look like, does it have gnuef in it? havoc_lt (~havoc@CPE-65-31-171-97.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Client exiting" carX (~CARX@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" kokai (~kokai@chello080110246132.118.11.vie.surfer.at) joined #gnuenterprise. kokai (~kokai@chello080110246132.118.11.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Client Quit lupo (~lupo@p5085F92E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) mdean (~mike@CPE-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection mdean (~mike@CPE-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. # TODO: Short-term hack 'explicitfields': { it is from common/src/datasources/GDataSource.py will explicitfields have to gone? carX (~CARX@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) joined #gnuenterprise. carX (~CARX@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" fixe (~fixe@dsl093-081-253.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "because I feel like it" jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-38-144.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mike@CPE-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-38-144.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-38-144.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-38-144.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client exiting" dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-224.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." 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