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<Vee2d2> heh.. zombo.com rocks
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<sandphilosopher> /list 
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<reinhard_> sandphilosopher: try /quit
<reinhard_> :)
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<sandphilosopher> ahh i'm fussing with a new client 
<sandphilosopher> not sure i like it 
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<torenvliet> So I just started installing Debian
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<torenvliet> I'm wondering about the mount/initialize partition bit, 
<torenvliet> I selected a "root" partition and now I have the option to installkernel and driver modules
<torenvliet> in RedHat terms, did I just select the /boot partition or the / partition?
<jbailey>  /
<jbailey> You have to explicietly do /boot if you want that.
<jbailey> There's generally no point on modern Linux versions, though
<torenvliet> all righ, so I should install it all into one big partition
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<jamest> lol, the topic to #kde
<jamest> Welcome to #kde -- just search on Google for "k" or "best desktop environment" <snip>
<jamest> i'll be damned if they aren't the first hit :)
<havoc> nice
<chillywilly> heheh :)
<havoc> gnome actually comes up first
<havoc> and then the rest are kde
<chillywilly> they probably paid for it to be that way ;)
<havoc> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22best+desktop+environment%22&btnG=Google+Search
<chillywilly> wasn't there a bit of a scandal where they made gnome links come up on all kde google searches?
<havoc> yes
<chillywilly> how childish
<havoc> exactly
Action: chillywilly wonders where his cool gtk theme went to....
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> just realized I am all blocky again
<havoc> chillywilly: have to run "gnome-theme-manager" and quit
<chillywilly> yea
<havoc> to load all the gnome server crap
<havoc> cuz gnome is lame
<chillywilly> it changed it now...
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<havoc> gnome's architecture is flawed
<havoc> too many damn independent servers
<havoc> kde is nice and clean
<chillywilly> hmmm
<havoc> mcop/dcop, nothing more :)
<chillywilly> I dunno wtf it does but I don't think it will stay permanent
<chillywilly> we need a decent kde irc client
<havoc> yeah
<chillywilly> kvirc is very buggy
<havoc> but xchat is still the best
<chillywilly> hrrrm....maybe I should write one
<havoc> go nuts :)
<havoc> chillywilly: better yet, port xchat from gtk to qt
<chillywilly> hrrrm....xchat should be gui indepedndent
<havoc> or should at least be QT ;)
<chillywilly> I don't mind having the choice of a toolit
<chillywilly> toolkit
<havoc> and call it kchat :)
<chillywilly> lyx rewrote their code base to be gui indepedent...if you use abstract factory classes you can abstract the ui away
<chillywilly> I have other projects I should finish before I start yet another one
<havoc> heh, yeah
<jamest> i got kde first and gnome nowhere
<chillywilly> but you're running xchat-gnome right ;)
<havoc> jamest: strange
<chillywilly> I need to do a fresh install on here again
<chillywilly> I want my / partition to be XFS again
<chillywilly> and not install all this extra crap that I don't use
<chillywilly> like gnome2 desktop ;)
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<chillywilly> I should get a bigger drive for my laptop
<chillywilly> hi jason
<jcater> I think you should too
<jcater> you have my permission
<chillywilly> cool :)
Action: chillywilly hold his hand out ;)
<chillywilly> show me the money ;)
<chillywilly> you're sponsoring this endeavor right?
<chillywilly> providing your financial support
<jcater> sure
<jcater> you can have all the money I have
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<jcater> there it is!
Action: jcater dcc's chillywilly his penny
<chillywilly> woohoo
<chillywilly> I accept paypal ya know ;)
<chillywilly> HEH
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<Vee2d2> jcater: were you lookin for me last night?
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<jcater> Vee2d2: ja
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<deprogram> happy friday everyone :>
<dsmith> deprogram: Yayyy
<deprogram> hehe
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<jamest> hello
<torenvliet> hey guys
<torenvliet> so I installed debian
<torenvliet> I am wondering do any of the guys on this channel use gentoo instead of debian?
<jamest> not if we can help it :)
<jamest> i think we're a pretty debian-centric group
<jcater> I started using gentoo
<jcater> but after a weekend 
<jcater> and it still hadn't compiled into a usable system
<jamest> lol, i just knew that was coming
<jcater> I scratched it
<torenvliet> really, you know I like the gnu part of it , but I really wasn't too hot on debian.... 2.2 kernel default for woody?!?
<torenvliet> I've got gentoo working nicely
<torenvliet> at least I did last week
<jcater> woody is all about stability
<jcater> I use it on all my servers
<jcater> but run testing or unstable on my personal workstation
<jamest> when you install woody from cd
<jamest> if you press <enter> you get 2.2
<jamest> if you type in bf24<enter>
<jamest> you get 2.4 kernel
<jamest> in either case
<jamest> apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-???? will upgrade woody w/o too much pain
<torenvliet> I see, how about this, the xserver-xfree86 won't' pick up and use my rage 128 properly... I mean a rage 128 is staple xfree material
<torenvliet> I'm just not happy about that
<jamest> did you use the Direct Rendering Interface
<jamest> in the debconf option
Action: jamest has NEVER had that stupid default work
<torenvliet> see that is over the top for me... if it can't get an ati card out of the box... well I don't want to complain
<jamest> lol
<jamest> i do understand
<jamest> i was complaining to jbailey today about debian myself
<jamest> i just haven't seen anything in the linux world that works as well for multi system administration as apt
<torenvliet> I don't see whats wrong wit rpm, like I no its a pain, but it doesn't seem like apt-get is much better
<torenvliet> software is complex ... I can accept that
<jamest> with apt get I can do
<jamest> apt-get install gimp
<torenvliet> to different ips right
<jamest> and not care about dependencies at all, it just works
<jamest> when woody is replaced by sarge I do
<jamest> apt-get -u dist-upgrade
<jamest> on a running system and have a upgraded machine
<torenvliet> I kind of like bringing a sytem down and up though
<jamest> if I know that some package contains a command I can do apt-cache search commandname
<torenvliet> I know thats pscychotic 
<jamest> I've got 300 users from around the planet using my computers at work
<torenvliet> that's cool
<jamest> so I don't like downtime
<torenvliet> right
<torenvliet> I hear you
<jamest> if the mail server dies at 1am I hear about it :)
<chillywilly> :P
<jamest> lol, one year I had a professor in france email me 3 times at 
<jamest> something like 1am, 3am, 5am
<jamest> at 7am he mailed one of the offive staff complaining I hadn't responded to his issue
<jcater> of course, gnue will work with whatever distro you throw at it
<torenvliet> except for redhat 9 right now
<jcater> just be aware, that most of us are debian-ites, so if you have distro-specific questions
<jcater> we probably won't be much help
<jamest> I need more hardware for test installs 
<jcater> :)
<jamest> i'll use that one on the wife
<jamest> "but honey I need more computers"
<jamest> "it's for GNUe"
<jamest> :)
<torenvliet> that's my similar excuse for the sparc ultra 2 (dual proc 200Mhz) with scsi 9gb hard drive and 1gig ram 2 net cards I'm getting next week
<torenvliet> or so, 
<torenvliet> I don't have any experience with those, do you guys know what they are worth?
<jamest> um
<jamest> in 97 the dual 167 Ultra 2 i bought went for $25K
<jamest> 2-2GB SCSI w/ 256MB Ram
<jamest> we get a huge cut for education though
<torenvliet> really, my borther in law is getting me one for 250 CAD, which is about 3 cents USD
<torenvliet> actually about 160 USD
<torenvliet> so that's a good deal then
<jamest> um, yeah
<torenvliet> they aren't hot, so I don't know why they are so cheap
<jamest> i speced memory on that thing a few years back and they  wanted over $1000 to double it to 512MB
<torenvliet> I think some gov't wing is just basically off loading them
<torenvliet> wow
<jamest> yeah
<jamest> that's why over spring break a dual athlon 2000 running debian took it's place :)
<jamest> it was far cheaper to maintain :)
<jamest> but at 160 a pop
<jamest> that's amazing, i'd like one for the house
<torenvliet> maybe these are different machines, I haven't actually seen them yet
<jamest> you get the monitor?
<torenvliet> yeah, so far apparently something like eight people are cued up to get one
<torenvliet> no monitor
<jamest> headless?
<torenvliet> and a standard(i.e. not SUN) svga card
<torenvliet> yeah headless
<torenvliet> I don't mind thouhg
<torenvliet> who needs another heat source
<jamest> that's what I have
<torenvliet> what do they compare to in terms of speed
<jamest> the monitor video card cost as much as a PC w/ monitor when I bought mine
<torenvliet> sun really did it 
<jamest> so I went headless and got a PC to connect to the serial port
<jamest> not an official benchmark
<torenvliet> all right
<jamest> but I recall a professor in our dept getting a 300MHz pentium ??
<jamest> the dual 167MHz still ran stuff as quick or quicker
<jamest> and it was a multiuser machine
<jamest> they're nice machines
<torenvliet> that's all right, I get pIII600 for around 300 whenever I need them so its about right
<jamest> custom scsi interfaces on the internal drives though :(
<torenvliet> so it can't go into a pc then
<jamest> i've got one that's going out on the ultra 2 I have
<torenvliet> so back to distros, do you consider redhat less stable than debian?
<jamest> i think you could, i haven't had it open since 97 but IIRC it was like a wrap around adapter
<torenvliet> cool
<jamest> no, i consider redhat harder to administrator when the # of machines goes up
<jamest> well, i take that back
<jamest> redhat has ticked me off on serveral occasions releasing close to cutting edge crap w/o proper QA
<jamest> one of their releases 6.something shipped with broken parallel printer support
<torenvliet> yeah most notable the gcc compiler in 7.x
<torenvliet> that sucked
<jamest> you had to adjust the /etc/modules to make printers work
<jamest> yeah, gcc is a good one
<torenvliet> so in some ways, then its a matter of taste
<jamest> well in debian you have 3 choices
<jamest> stable, testing, unstable
<torenvliet> right
<jamest> unstable is bleeding edge, for instance cups 1.1.19rc2 is in unstable
<jamest> that came out this month
<torenvliet> right 
<jamest> and you can run mixxed system with a little effort
<jamest> 90% stable w/ pieces of testing
<torenvliet> back in a sec
<torenvliet> are there any redhat guys in the gnue crew?
<chillywilly> redhat? wassat? ;)
<chillywilly> erm, didn't someone just make rpms?
<torenvliet> for redhat 9?
<chillywilly> don't know what version
<torenvliet> where are they
<torenvliet> ?
<chillywilly> I've made RPMS available at http://home.attbi.com/~ejarvi/
<chillywilly> These are the latest releases, built on Redhat 9.0, but should probably work on
<chillywilly> any distro with python2.2.  Built with version 2.4 of wxBase, wxGTK,
<chillywilly> wxPythonGTK. Links available for those rpms on the website. I also have the
<chillywilly> latest versions of psycopg and sablotron packaged.
<chillywilly> All the lastest GNUe spec files are here:
<chillywilly> http://home.attbi.com/~ejarvi/GNUe-Specfiles.tar.bz2
<chillywilly> Erik
<torenvliet> right on I'll be back
<chillywilly> posted to gnue@gnu.org
<torenvliet> I should get on that list
<torenvliet> good so screw debian :)
<torenvliet> just kidding, don't tell rs
<jamest> too late!
<jamest> now you're in trouble ;)
<chillywilly> rs?
<chillywilly> rms?
<torenvliet> rs hates er loves lt
<torenvliet> everyone wonders how it happened
<chillywilly> huh?
<torenvliet> its a dist specific question
<chillywilly> who/what is rs and lt?
<torenvliet> so what's a .spec file
<chillywilly> file for creating an rpm
<torenvliet> rs is ricardo stallman, er is eric raymond and lt is linus torvalds
<torenvliet> and I think I know something because I read a stupid book 
<torenvliet> :)
<chillywilly> rms probably doesn't get along with either of them
<torenvliet> who is that? 
<chillywilly> rms == Richar M. Stallman == who you called rs
<chillywilly> Richard
<torenvliet> right, 
<torenvliet> he reminds me of my dad
<torenvliet> a hippie with sandals
<chillywilly> oh geeze
<torenvliet> I know its bad
<chillywilly> I think these days we need more hippies in the US
<chillywilly> more political acitvists
<chillywilly> ppl who won't stand idle while our freedoms erode away
<torenvliet> yeah I agree 
<chillywilly> super-DMCA - coming to a state near you
<chillywilly> :(
<torenvliet> I guess you know Nom Chaumsky (sp?)
<chillywilly> sure
<torenvliet> right on
<dsmith> What's wrong with sandals?
<torenvliet> well mine ripped and are at the leather repair shop up town right now
<dsmith> heh
<torenvliet> globally speaking I cant' say
<dsmith> Noam Chomsky I believe.
<chillywilly> they must not be Birken stocks ;)
<torenvliet> no they are Clarks I was really pissed man... I paid good money for those
<chillywilly> as opposed to bad money? ;)
<chillywilly> "blood" money
<torenvliet> drug money
<torenvliet> Canadian money
<havoc> heh
<havoc> bad
<chillywilly> jcater is a reports hacking fewl
<jcater> well
<jcater> a fewl at least
<chillywilly> HEH
<chillywilly> nah, you da man...man
<chillywilly> how's TJ doing?
<torenvliet> havoc you American?
<chillywilly> I saw he learned a new phrase
<chillywilly> ;P
<jcater> chillywilly: a smart ass
<chillywilly> HEH
<jamest> new phrase?
<jcater> tonight he told me he couldn't clean his room
<jcater> "'cause he was playing"
<havoc> torenvliet: yup
<chillywilly> jamest: "kiss my butt"
<jamest> and how is that different from you and your office
<torenvliet> havoc: well in that case calm down, or I'll sick a stealth beaver on you :)
<havoc> "bite my shiny metal ass"
<jamest> "honey, i can't clean it now....I'm gnue'n"
Action: jcater ponders that for a minute
<jcater> if only my wife cared enough about a clean house
<havoc> hahahaha
<jcater> that might be a concern
<chillywilly> don't remind me
<chillywilly> I really need to clean this place up a bit
<chillywilly> papers everwhere...
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> me too
<jcater> adobe blue book on one side
<jcater> HP PCL5 tech ref on another
<chillywilly> oh and like 8 vanilla coke cans stacked around me
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> gawd I'm addicted
<jcater> DSC manual
Action: jcater looks to the left
<jcater> ATM font specification
Action: jcater throws his hands up in despair
<jcater> I think it's time to buy a new house
<jcater> this one is too messy
<jcater> =)
<jamest> hah!  my desk is clean except for the tea and 3 papers
<chillywilly> who did you bribe to get it that way?
<torenvliet> question for y'all psycopg, PySablot, sablotron and libiconv... are these needed for Common and Forms?
<jamest> of course the wife wouldn't let me hook up my new monitor until I cleaned it
<jcater> the middle two are definitely not needed
<jcater> psycopg is if you are connecting to a postgres database
<jamest> psycop isn't needed if you're not using postgresql
Action: jcater doesn't recognize libiconv
<jcater> but thinks it has something to do w/sablotron
<jamest> if you are using postgresql then you can use whatever python driver you like
<jamest> i'm seeing some oddities w/ psycopg and timestamps
<jamest> so I switch to popy for the time being
<torenvliet> all right
<chillywilly> dude I never realized that bash understand emacs undo command
<chillywilly> funky
<torenvliet> so I installed all the what have you, and ran gnue-forms intro.gfd 
<torenvliet> and got an error in line 40 from gnue.forms.GFClient import *
<torenvliet> No module named gnue.forms.GFClient
<jamest> this from epm?
<jamest> er rpm?
<jamest> as that's a "bad thing"
<torenvliet> yeah
<torenvliet> bad thing
<jamest> GFClient is the main class of gnue-forms
<torenvliet> its the complete do from the ~ejarvi site4
<jamest> i think that indicates that the PYTHONPATH isn't getting set properly
<torenvliet> well that's a first class bug then
<torenvliet> should I set it manually
<jamest> it should be getting set in the gnue-forms script itself
<torenvliet> I see
<torenvliet> I'll check it out 
<jamest> more `which gnue-forms`
<jamest> you should see
<jamest> sys.path.append('/usr/local/gnue/lib/python')
<jamest> something to that effect
<jamest> that bootstraps us
<jamest> i imagine that's where the issue is
<chillywilly> more? who uses more? ;) less is better!
<jamest> that it's not set to where gnue is installed
<jamest> sigh, less isn't standard on solaris or AIX
<torenvliet> yeah that right, excpet when you install the stuff from an rpm you don't get the /usr/local/gnue dir
<jamest> at least it wasn't when I learned unix
<chillywilly> jamest: and?
<jamest> is gnue-forms still pointing at that
<chillywilly> jamest: your point is?
<torenvliet> yeah
<jamest> and old dogs don't learn new tricks 
<jcater> jamest: upgrade
<jcater> to GNU/Solaris!
Action: jcater uses more as well
<jcater> from my SCO days
Action: chillywilly shudders
<jamest> besides how to you improve a screen pager
<torenvliet> I can just explode the tar.gz there and make it
<chillywilly> jamest: it was a pun
<jamest> :)
<jamest> torenvliet: you probably could just adjust the gnue-* tools
<jamest> s/tools/scripts
<chillywilly> less is better freedom-wise I bet ;)
<jamest> to point to where the rpm installed crap
<jamest> er, i mean gnue, er well, um
<jamest> i guess either works there
<torenvliet> so where did the rpm install all the classes to , is that info in the .spec file
Action: jamest enters the part of his brain labeled "old skool"
<jamest> i think it's something like
<jamest> rpm -ql rpmfile
<jamest> to see where it put stuff, but it's been ages since I'm rpm'd
<torenvliet> I'll see
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<jamest> torenvliet: what is your interest in gnue btw?
<torenvliet> two things, first I need to learn python(apparently), and second, there is a gaping hole in the open source/free software applications platform, that is a professional accounting package, which is why I first checked gnue out
<torenvliet> so I thought I'd see what 's going on here, and where its going
<torenvliet> so I can't really say anything more than that
<jamest> ah, ok, just curious
<torenvliet> I hope its ok to be a pain for a while
<jamest> sure
<jamest> i hope it's ok that gnue doesn't have an accounting package for a while 
<jamest> :)
<torenvliet> yeah I can live with that, what is the first order of business anywyas
<jamest> we're working on it!
<torenvliet> ?
<jcater> donuts
<torenvliet> my vote is for beer
<jamest> mt dew
<jamest> less goats
<havoc> mmm, beeeeeer
<torenvliet> definitely as in free beer
<chillywilly> beer
<torenvliet> so the path problems are gone, now its the same crap as before
<torenvliet> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 43, in ?
<torenvliet> DB000:     GFClient().run()
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 151, in run
<torenvliet> DB000:     instance.activate()
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 311, in activate
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.buildForm(dialog)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 352, in buildForm
<torenvliet> DB000:     self._uiinstance.buildForm(form, formName)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/UIdriver.py", line 252, in buildForm
<torenvliet> DB000:     self._gfObjToUIWidget[form].phaseInit()
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 80, in phaseInit
<torenvliet> DB000:     self._phaseInit(phase)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 100, in _phaseInit
<torenvliet> DB000:     inits[phase]()
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/widgets/_base.py", line 99, in primaryInit
<torenvliet> DB000:     newWidget = self.createWidget(self._creationEvent, spacer)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/widgets/_base.py", line 150, in createWidget
<torenvliet> DB000:     newWidget = self._createWidget(event, spacer)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/widgets/form/widget.py", line 105, in _createWidget
<torenvliet> DB000:     MenuBar(self._uiDriver, self.containerFrame, self._form)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 85, in __init__
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.finalize()
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 96, in finalize
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.__createmenu(_DEFAULT_MENU,m)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 114, in __createmenu
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.__createmenu(contents, m)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 107, in __createmenu
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name,
<torenvliet> DB000:     MenuBar(self._uiDriver, self.containerFrame, self._form)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 85, in __init__
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.finalize()
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 96, in finalize
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.__createmenu(_DEFAULT_MENU,m)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 114, in __createmenu
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.__createmenu(contents, m)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 107, in __createmenu
<torenvliet> DB000:     self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name, parent, userAction)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 83, in addAction
<torenvliet> DB000:     parent.AppendItem(item)
<torenvliet> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/windows.py", line 815, in AppendItem
<torenvliet> DB000:     val = apply(windowsc.wxMenu_AppendItem,(self,) + _args, _kwargs)
<torenvliet> DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7/src/gtk/menu.cpp(1460): unknown keyboard acc
<torenvliet> is this something that can be associated with sablotron, PySablot or libiconv
<torenvliet> ?
<jamest> definately not the first 2
<torenvliet> okay, I'll install libicon and see what I get
<torenvliet> libiconv is a unicode translation library it seems
<jamest> that might be possible
<jamest> i believe the error you're seeing is in tying keyboard accelerators in items in our menu
<torenvliet> at sourceforge, libiconv hasn't released any file yet, do the debian guys have a pre-release that you're using?
<jamest> i can't fathom that in woody
<jamest> woody was months out of date before it's release
<jamest> i'll boot my woody box 
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<chillywilly> danielb@frodo:~$ apt-cache search libiconv
<chillywilly> libiconv-hook-dev - header files of libiconv-hook
<chillywilly> libiconv-hook1 - extension of iconv for libapache-mod-encoding
<chillywilly> libiconv-ruby - A Wrapper class of iconv for the Ruby
<chillywilly> libiconv-ruby1.7 - A Wrapper class of iconv for the Ruby
Action: chillywilly shrugs
<chillywilly> I don't see the actual lib anywhere
<chillywilly> just some bindings....
<chillywilly> libjconv2 - charset conversion library
<chillywilly> libjconv-bin - charset conversion library - binaries
<chillywilly> libjconv-dev - charset conversion library - development
<torenvliet> that could be it
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<torenvliet> I just pulled the libiconv cvs so we'll see what that does
<jbailey> You did that why?
<torenvliet> to install it I guess
<torenvliet> you have anidea?
<jcater> what version of wx comes with RedHat 9?
<chillywilly> 2.4 supposedly does according to the guy that made the rpms
<chillywilly> "Built with version 2.4 of wxBase, wxGTK,
<chillywilly> wxPythonGTK"
<torenvliet> I didn't have anything installed, so I used wxBase-2.4.0-1, GTK-2.4.0-1 and PythonGTK-py2.2-2.4.0.7-1
<torenvliet> all from that rpm site
<jbailey> gtk 2.4?
<jbailey> Is that out now?
<torenvliet> I gues
<jbailey> Nope, 2.2.1
<torenvliet> that GTK up there has an assumed wx in fron of it 
<torenvliet> sorry
Action: torenvliet is very sleepy.... 
<torenvliet> does anyone know the guy that posted those rpms/
<torenvliet> ?
<jbailey> It's only half past midnight, why so sleep? =)
<jbailey> (says the guy who's eating jellybeans right now)
<torenvliet> I'll see if I can track him down tomorroy
<torenvliet> gnight
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<jamest> got a new toy to show off
<jamest> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jamest/ss.png
<jamest> that's the scanner form all grown up
<jamest> it's a 285 line .gfd file that allows a company to assign incoming faxes to a specific customer ID
<jamest> it's burry on purpose btw :)
<jcater> damn
<jcater> blurry too
<jamest> it can scan, scale, rotate, images, and it can restore images (from the archive) that you've screwed up using the previous features 
<jamest> yeah, the shampoo lady doesn't look the same scalled way down then back up does she
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<ra3vat> jamest: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jamest/ is empty
<jamest> hang on
<jamest> i wiped it as I really can't keep that up 
<jamest> try now
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<jamest> ra3vat: that work?
<ra3vat> yes
<jamest> i know it's not much be then I when I started forms that I'd use it to drive a scanner
<jamest> s/be/but
<jamest> sigh i butched that sentence
<jamest> i know it's not much but when I started forms I never thought that I'd use it to drive a scanner
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<frayed> anybody home?
<jamest> yip
<frayed> um, does the SQL generated by gnue work with Postgres 7.3 right now?
<jamest> i use it w/ 7.3.2
<jamest> daily
<ra3vat> seems ok here too
<jamest> i've found 1 issue w/ psycopg and timestamps
<frayed> hmm... I just ran the PostgreSQL.sql file with gnue-sb and it doesn't appear to have made all the tables
<frayed> yeah, timestamp errors kept showing up.
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