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Hi everyone! hello johnf I'm a newbie to the python and gnue feel free to ask any questions here Thanks. I download .50 this evening for window (but I really want it on RH 8.0) and got and error When I run the install I get the following "The NTVDM has encountered an illegal instruction" BTW I'm running XP Well will somebody help get GNUe running on RH 8.0 if you don't know about the windows install???? there are not much helpers at the moment i think I'm guessing your right! What do you run? problem with RH installation were discussed few days ago and i missed to know was it resolved or not I'm in calif and it's 12:30AM where are you? most of developers running debian, i'm using russian distro from altlinux.com which started as russian mandrake and now separate rpm based distro but apt-get capable Are you in Russia? Very cool!!! i'm near from moscow, russia. it's a noon here :) Your english is very good! What's the weather like? i'm planning to restore cvs installation under w2k today or tomorrow thanks, previous days were cold, about 0 C, yesterday was rainy I had not thought of attempting get the install (for windows) from CVS. Good thought! I'm in northern California and were about 70f during the day and in the 40F durning the night. Currently we have a light rain. I'm remember from Just for fun book as Linus was excited with Calif weather after he had in Finland, I think we are in the same situation :0 nothing to do at the winter except to drink vodka I like red wine (any season). I'm only 100 miles (about 130 K) from one of the best wine growing areas in the world - just lucky! Have you been using Python very long? not too long and too much but prefer it to other languages I currently use Visual Foxpro on windows mostly - but I'm looking forward to using Python. Python appears to be very similar to foxpro. Well it is getting very late. But tonight was a first - I was talking with someone in Russia. Very Cool! Good night! Dobroi nochi (hope that's right) :) that is right! I'd be glad to talk again. Good night! reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1249P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm http://www.fisterra.org/index.html ahh.. it's focused on auto glass replacement business and only supports spanish fixe (~fixe@dsl017-020-123.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "because I feel like it" Good mourning from the California newbie! Anybody out there willing to help me get started? i can try but i'm at my real job so i'll be choopy choppy even lupo__ (~lupo@pD95422E5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: are tabs working under win32 (wx driver)? they were at one time btami has the win32 driver functoinal in cvs and claims it's better than the wx driver which i intended to find out about soon i got it working again under w2k with wx driver i have problem with tabs and i18n pypgsql should be 2.3, 2.2 does not work johnf: are you still under XP? Jamest - which would easier windows or Linux. Earlier I got an error "the NTVDM has encountered an illegal instruction" on windows. Yes I'm still using XP. johnf: you have wxPython working? I work in linux, ra3vat and btami are windows users I did know I was suppose get that working - I think can if required? i think with the new win32 ui driver in cvs would be the way to go in windows now Well Linux is great - thats where my Postgres is working. my understanding is that the only thing it doesn't do it tags in forms jamest: you'd better troutslap me then call a windows user :) troutslap you! sure! Action: jamest troutslaps ra3vat Do I need wxGLCanvas??? :) johnf: if you have wx demo working wxPython should be OK no, we don't user GLCanvas s/user/use I'm downloading the linux RPM for 2.2 as we speak. I may have dowloaded the wrong thing - wxPythonGTK+ is this right????? should be Great I'll install (for Linux)! wxPythonGTK-2.3.3.1-alt1 is what i have I'm installing for Python 2.2 - should I use Python 2.3? it is a separate numbering, i also use python 2.2 cd .. OK! Looks like I have wxPython working. ok I was able to get doodle.py to run (from samples) - I did not find a wxPythonDemo. cd .. Sorry I keep typing in the wrong location.... OK I found MDIDemo.py and it works. i use 2.2 as well 2.3 isn't out yet is it? What's next ?? jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. um, depends what are you wanting to do i'd suggest grabbing cvs if you're comfortable using cvs then cvs gnue ./setup-cvs.py I'd like to get GNU-e working. which does a fake install so you can run from cvs w/o completely installing the stuff I never used cvs.... But I'd like to install everything if possible.... gnue is, at the moment, tools gnue-sb is trying to build something using those tools several of us have built stuff in house using these toold but GNUe isn't going to give you HR, AR,AP,etc out of the box (just a disclaimer :) That's OK I just need some tools. if you want to play with the tools and not do a full install then I'd suggest cvs i run cvs installs in production at a few places but if that scares you then I'd download the 0.5.0 release I'm a long time Visual Foxpro developer working almost in accounting apps. common, forms, designer, appserver, navigator the heart of the system is common - you need it forms does ui designer builds forms, reports, etc and depends on forms appserver adds 3 tier capabilities to the mix i hear it's getting close to production ready but I'm not up to speed on it I have downloaded the all the files. Just need the first few steps. Should I tar the files? and you're ok w/ doing a full install? into /usr/local/gnue untar them all Oh yes! I'm just not sure what I'm suppose to do. then install common first then forms then designer then appserver then navigator cd packagename ./setup.py install rinse, repeat As root? yes, as it'll want to go into /usr/local/gnue if this is an issue then use cvs as setup-cvs.py doesn't require root it installs in your home dir and it usually works between updates so if you're playing around, find a bug and we fix it then you switch to your cvs checkout, do an update, and your "install" has the fixes automagically ooo i forgot reports too you can install that after common all the tools stand pretty much alone with the following exceptions everything depends on gnue-common Root is fine. CVS sounds great but at the moment I don't know how it works! ah, that's cake http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/community/cvs.html 2 commands get it for you but tarballs are fine, just not as flexible about the install I'm reading the web site right now! cool I created a directory "gnue" and then ran the cvs. What's next? ls ok now you should have gnue/gnue/packages i typically call the top level cvs as I have lots of cvs checkouts so cd cd gnue/gnue ./setup-cvs.py answer the questions cross fingers come to grips with the fact you're about to run software written by people that troutslap and fear mad goats in the code then gfcvs ~/gnue/gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd What should happen after running intro.gfd it should pop open a form Last line: " Unknow keyboard accel" sigh the radhat thing redhat thing someone else reported that on RH8 or 9 Is there an easy fix? i don't recall it'd be in our logs lemme see if I can find it Thanks you!!!!!!!!! siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-220-77.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel: you know anything about the gnue frms on rh issue? i don't recall if a fix was found what was the issue? johnf: siesel is an appserver coders hi johnf Action: siesel reads the backlog Hi. My pleasure! Just for info where is the backlog? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/gnue-public.log i have to run , ride is here for lunch bbi1h, i'll look then CU Jamest - thanks for your help! johnf: I never got that problem, but I would recommend to activate for that error message. I'm a newbie Siesel - so how do I turn on that error message? Action: siesel takes a look in the source, ... one moment ... gnue-public.log appears to be just what has occurred today????? johnf: yes. the other files contain one log per day. Got -it! thanks I'm reading as we speak. johnf: sure you want to scroll through the archives? the "KC" (Kernel Cousin) provides the information in a more dense manner. I don't know how to get that info? ls roche (~roche@200.9.45.19) joined #gnuenterprise. johnf: sorry, I can't find the thing I've searched. But you could try to activate debugging: gfcvs --debug-level=10 intro.gfd roche (~roche@200.9.45.19) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). johnf: http://kt.zork.net/ -> GNUe -> Latest The last line reports: wxPython.wxc.wsPyAssertionError: C++ assertin "wxAssertFailure" failed in /usr/src/readhat/BUILD/wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7/src/gtk/menu.cpp(1460): unknown keyboard accel what is the last line of the form: DB002: [UIdriver:228] .... The form? Does the command start a form? Is the form text? sorry: the line begins with "DBXXX DB000: That are the debug messages provided by the gnue-forms code itself. the intro.gfd appears to be an XML doc??? yes. GNUe is completely build upon XML. GNUe Common provides an easy to use XML programming framework, ... but back to that error, Oh I did not know that I thought it was Python. Oh the XML describes the form. I keep learning everyday - this sounds very cool. Is there any line with a program file and a line in the source code like [UIdriver:228] or [Menu:88] btw. that problem was mentioned in http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/gnue-public.log.25Apr2003 too seems like it can be circumvented by using a wxwindows build without assets enabled, but this doesn't solve the real problem, hmm reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1249P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. johnf (~johnf@adsl-63-204-66-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) got netsplit. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port6.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1249P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. johnf (~johnf@adsl-63-204-66-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port6.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. Yes I have several with [UIdriver:228] - don't see anything with [Menu:88] Loks like everyone quit and then re-joined? What's up? I found a full tracelog in the log from 25Apr2003, which is quite informative for this issue. johnf: "netsplit" - damn phaenomenon. Lupo_ thanks for the info! I just opened the file and will read! At the moment I try to find out what "error" that asset is checking for, ... Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard Ref: 25Apr2003 I can't find "libiconv" I do have "libiconv.so" in /usr/lib I also have "libiconv-1.8.5.i386.rpm" I don't think that this has anything to do with libiconv, its something with redhat's wxgtk build Oh I see! Should I attempt to download and install new version (if there is one?) yes. ftp://biolpc22.york.ac.uk/pub/2.4.0/wxGTK-2.4.0-1.i386.rpm is the newest version. The whole download page is: http://wxwindows.org/dl_gtk.htm#stable Oh thanks I was just lloking for that! I have downloaded and installed. Do I need to reboot or logout? jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. johnf: just try to run gfcvs again same error sorry, I forgot the wxpython binaries: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPythonGTK-py2.2-2.4.0.7-1.i386.rpm is for python 2.2 http://wxpython.org/download.php#binaries for other versions chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! http://www.gnuenterprise.org" I have already download the wxpython biaries. [Debug] 22:38:42: Unrecognized accel key 'ENTER', accel string ignored. [Debug] 22:38:42: Unrecognized accel key 'TAB', accel string ignored. [Debug] 22:38:42: Unrecognized accel key 'PGDN', accel string ignored. [Debug] 22:38:42: Unrecognized accel key 'PGUP', accel string ignored. i have these massages in the log but forms still works messages I wish my intro would do that! Are you using CVS or a complete install? CVS will try with intro.gfd now DB006: [GObjects:99] UIForm: Init Phase 1 [Debug] 22:46:48: Unrecognized accel key 'ENTER', accel string ignored. [Debug] 22:46:48: Unrecognized accel key 'TAB', accel string ignored. [Debug] 22:46:48: Unrecognized accel key 'PGDN', accel string ignored. [Debug] 22:46:48: Unrecognized accel key 'PGUP', accel string ignored. DB006: [GObjects:99] UIPage: Init Phase 1 Just for info I found Main.py and it runs fine. What Distro of Linux and version? chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat: can you try to uncomment line 60+61 of forms/src/uidriver/wx/Menu.py ? Its something like "label += '\t%s' % hotkey" i'll do that now Action: siesel will try to install a debug version of wxwindows i have MenuBar.py but not Menu.py? sorry, I meant MenuBar.py Action: siesel is getting confused with GNUe Source and WX source code names it is not commented if hotkey: label += '\t%s' % hotkey sorry again, I meant comment. ok DB006: [GObjects:99] UIForm: Init Phase 1 DB006: [GObjects:99] UIPage: Init Phase 1 those warnings are not generated chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Those are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't" great. chillywilly: are you trout slapping yourself? ;P nope setting xchat back up again icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) joined #gnuenterprise. johnf: can you try to comment these lines in your code too? That could / should fix the issue it was doign weird thing like pinging out all the time so I rm -r .xchat2 and started setting it all back up the way I like it I couldn't connect to the irc server for some reason what's the comment char for gfd files? hrrrm, I don't like colored nicks johnf: Its a .py file probably in /usr/local/gnue/lib/gnue/forms/src/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py It runs - it runs - it runs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations :) :) Thanks to all that helped - Including Siesel, Jamest, and Ra2vat (in Russia) anyone else that helped. chillywilly: No colored nicks! How do you tell people apart? Now that I have the intro running what's next. What about setting up the Postgres tables? chillywilly: You would need to *read* them or something. dsmith: read well your nick is yellow cause you use my nick ;P that's all that really matters heh the rest is just mindless banter ;) Action: dsmith nods johnf: you need ds driver like psycopg or pypgsql and some settings in ~/gnue/etc/connections.conf db driver OK where is the psycorg or pypgsql? Currently checking google. pypgsql.sf.net, i installed 2.3 for windows today http://www.initd.org/software/psycopg/ may be you have something in the distro already? ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" postgres tables could be any, and you can use designer's wizard to make forms for existing database pyPgSQL appears to be a "ODBC" type interface - is that right? it should be Python DBAPI-2.0 compatible driver psycopg appears to keep connections open to the database - which one is everyone using???? i was using psycopg but had issues w/ timestamps recently started using popy glad to see you're up I'm sort of running but I still don't understand the overall use of the tools. I.e. how do I get the finanicals working? My guess is I need the tables first. However, I don't see where I get the structure for the tables, field information. Now that I'm working can someone tell me what I could read that will help my overall understanding. psycopg was my favorite but they broke their packaging so i switched back to postgresql (iirc) Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek OK I have download pypgsql. sigh, can everyone resolve www.math.ksu.edu oh wait i think pypgsql is what i use i've got a user visiting NY that says the page cannot be displayed Action: derek honestly forgets derek? here? before evening? www.math.ksu.edu A 129.130.6.1 jamest: it does resolve, BUT there are SERIOUS problems specifically it doesn't appear to come in blue and it doesn't work well with Mosaic 0.2 Action: jamest thwaps derek and if i upgrade to i.e. or netscape i wont be able to use word perfect 0.1 anymore Action: jamest thwaps derek again shouldn't you be at work or something? jamest you know you have a 5.25 floppies somewhere witth word perfect 2.0 on them and have had to use them in the past 12 months Action: derek runs _very_ fast i took the day off to tease jamest dude, you make it sound like we run outdated stuff not you the users ;) i'm happy to report we use WP5.1 for DOS and 6.0 for Win3.1 which is pretty cutting edge isn't it? Has anyone done any work on the finanicals? maybe the gnue-sb guys who are they? I found a little info on google. Read one message looks like they are starting the financials????? hey derek derek are you the same guy on gnue-sb??? derek if something isn't in gnue-sb yell at derek and vee2dee2 until it is then yell at them some more jamest - Can I assume that the sb guy's are using the gnue tools??? yes Thanks! I know I must sound like a complete nothing but believe me I do want to help and have 19 years programming. And of course I'm just a little more dense that most. johnf: yes im same guy johnf: we unfortunately do not use the gnue tools for gnue-sb as jamest can attest what we do to them is called 'abuse' icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@adsl-66.218.46.51.dslextreme.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-243-130.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: I see!!! so are you guys working on the financials? Action: jamest thwaps derek yet again Action: jcater thwaps derek too 'cause it's fun Action: ajmitch thwaps derek just because he can In case you haven't noticed I also new to the use of IRC. The website for gnue-sb uses this irc???? which is irc.freenoed.net #gnuenterprise ???? Action: siesel dreams of an xchat plugin which animates every thwap, slap and especial trout slaps johnf (~johnf@adsl-63-204-66-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" johnf (~johnf@adsl-63-204-66-140.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. yes we use this irc easier to do everything in one place we have 'started' to talk about financials but have not totally dug in OK then - can you explain the naming of the files in gnue-sb like "readme,v"? ? um it needs clean up ;) readme (generally is the first thing to read) is that a tarball you grabbed? let me step back free software (im assuming you are recently exposed to it) has some general practices one of them is in the root directory some 'standard' files generally these are COPYING (or LICENSE) README TODO yeah, but not README,v AUTHORS ah that's an RCS file that CVS uses internally where did you get the file? its not in my copy Action: jamest thwaps derek again that is fun johnf: that tarball you grabbed is the "cvs backup" from savannah jamest: im not sure where he got the files ah yes the nightly tarball is just cause we dont ahve 'official' relase er release i need to beg jcater to make me 'nightly' cron job I guess I got the wrong one? what shoudl I get? that checks out cvs and makes a 'real' tarball instead of a cvs backup the only way to get a 'clean' gnue-sb is to checkout cvs ok I deleted the directory gnue-sb with the strange file names. I'm also new to cvs. could you provide the command. cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gnue-sb login cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gnue-sb co gnue-sb Is the gnue-sb really NOLA? ls no at onetime that was going to be the plan take NOLA base tables and build gnue screens and clean up their html stuff a little we might revisit that at somepoint, but currently it is not the focus derek: Is still only two guys - you and jason carter? s/cater/carter and no there are more mostly its me and Vee2d2 jcater needs financials haha, carter so is willing to do some work on it wassup carter? carefull chillywilly, he was out all morning so we don't know if he got his donuts he may charge poor fellow well if he didn't live way the frell down there I'd bring 'em some donuts hah yeah right you'd eat them in front of him & taunt him What schema's have you guy's agreed on i.e AP, GL, AR??? Nick change: steveb_ -> steveb Is 'gsd' = gnu source document? gnue schema definition Thanks - very steep learning curve! and 'gfd' = some sort of XML doc? they're all xml docs gfd, grd, gsd, gpd, etc. Could it be gnue form doc?