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<btami> morning
<ra3vat> hello btami
<ra3vat> it was much better with last setting you suggested
<btami> hello ra3vat
<btami> ok
<btami> is your gfd fit in 1024x768 now ?
<ra3vat> form frame was close to fit it anytime
<ra3vat> last setting fixes widget size and placement on x axis
<ra3vat> now it looks the same as undex linux (wx driver)
<ra3vat> it is not for y axis 
<btami> yes, i'v seen that
<btami> the GetTextMetrics() on win32 
<btami> gives me different values than wx
<btami> others are working with your form?
<btami> buttons, pages, etc...
<derek> hey this channel has been perfectly quiet all day
<derek> do you think you two could keep it down so the rest of us can get some sleep 
<derek> ;)
<btami> 'gnight derek :)
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<ra3vat> btami: search buttons (they call simpleQuery) work
<ra3vat> one that active dialog does not
<ra3vat> activate
<btami> you have to click into, right?
<btami> this is true on linux too
<btami> dialogs are not perfect yet
<ra3vat> i was unable to add two embedded (in main form file) dialogs even under linux, can you test it?
<ra3vat> so i did one embedded and second was added to standart dialogs
<btami> :)
<ra3vat> if simplify addition standart dialog i would prefer that way
<btami> i have a problem with dialog handling
<ra3vat> with win32 driver? 
<btami> now the form reads/builds all dialogs when it starts
<btami> in general
<btami> but what if i have about 100 dialogs
<btami> in my program
<btami> i have a very complex payroll/tax calculation prog
<btami> in foxpro
<ra3vat> my form is already more that 1000 lines
<ra3vat> with one dialog
<ra3vat> calculations could be placed in modules
<btami> it has about 50 forms, 100 reports and 30 dialogs
<btami> i never want to load all dialogs when i start 1 form
<ra3vat> standart dialogs shows how to do that other way
<ra3vat> it's just need to be extended for user defined dialogd
<ra3vat> dialogs
<ra3vat> or are they load at start time anyway?
<ra3vat> may be so
<btami> just standard dialogs and embedded
<btami> yes i was wrong
<ra3vat> btami: have you started to reimplement your application in gnue?
<btami> just ported the db to firebird
<btami> and playing with forms
<btami> and when i realized wx limits (dropdown, pages), i stopped it and started win32 driver
<ra3vat> does win32gui module free from all wx limits you faced?
<btami> i think yes
<btami> it needs more work (when coding), because i use win32 API, not MFC
<btami> but this gives full control in event handling
<btami> and eliminates a plus abstraction layer
<btami> i think  the forms (in general) ready to start reimplement my app,
<btami> the main problem is reports 
<btami> i desperately need a wisual designer
<btami> nearly all my reports changes from year2year
<btami> as tax law changes
<ra3vat> yes
<btami> what about your apps?
<btami> what kind of progs you use/develop?
<ra3vat> we do not have complex application previously developed so i'm just going gnue-sb direction myself
<btami> lucky boy :)
<ra3vat> :)
<ra3vat> will try to leave gnue installed under windows for daily using, so we'll see how it behave
<btami> nice!
<ra3vat> btami: if i modify a row save function stay disabled
<btami> have you pressed enter?
<ra3vat> ok, it worked after enter
<btami> it's a feature, not a bug :)
<btami> (same on linux)
<ra3vat> i got it :)
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<robewald> hi
<ra3vat> hello robewald
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<robewald> just lurking, to see whats going on :o)
<chillywilly2> w00t
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<Tjik_i_skolan> hello
<Tjik_i_skolan> 've some questions about gtk programming
<Tjik_i_skolan> I will like know if somebody has worked on a "change password" application?
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<jamest> man it's getting dark here
<jbailey> Light another candle?
<jamest> :)
<ra3vat> jamest: have you seen that more than one embedded dialog is not supported?
<jamest> Huh?
<jamest> the about/jumpto/error messages are all embedded dialogs now
<jamest> each must have a unique name 
<jamest> IIRC I have more than 1 embedded in gauntlet.gfd as a test
<ra3vat> you call more than one but only getMessageDialog defined in the file
<jamest> and it dies w/ more than one?
<jamest> grrrrrr
<ra3vat> each time i add two dialog definitions i'm getting empty frame 
<jamest> and you give them different names?
<ra3vat> instead of my form
<ra3vat> sure
<jamest> damn
<jamest> you are right
<jamest> grrrrrrrr
<jamest> i may have a chance to look at it in a bit
<ra3vat> ok, thanks
<ra3vat> what about standart dialog technique? i'd like to define my own dialogs and put them somewhere close to where my forms placed
<ra3vat> without additional python classes to each
<ra3vat> s/classes/modules
<jamest> you can add dialogs in the dialogs directory in forms
<jamest> but each need a wrapper class
<jamest> or I believe you could put them in a forms library and import them
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<ra3vat> jamest: would it be useful to have separate directory for user defined dialogs?
<jamest> dunno
<jamest> i don't think it'd take much to add
<jamest> but I'm not sure if it confuses the issue if we've already got import support w/ form libraries
<ra3vat> i do not quite understand what's the issue
<jamest> too many places to do the same thing
<jamest> in the forms itself, in a user defined forms library, in a special directory just for user forms
<jamest> i'm not saying it's not a good thing
<jamest> just thinking outloud in irc so others can comment
<ra3vat> then what is the user defined forms library, may be i'm missing important feature?
<jamest> you can setup .gfd files and use them like .so files in a way
<jamest> you can import blocks are such from them
<jamest> s/are/and
<ra3vat> where to look for examples, descriptions, ..?
<ra3vat> jamest: btw, win32 driver works quite well
<jamest> excellent
<jcater> rock
<jcater> that deserves a release
<jbailey> Hmm.
<jbailey> That means I should tie up jamest soonish shouldn't I? =)
<jamest> yes
<jamest> i just found out last night that I will not have kids this weekend
<jamest> and I just finished up a release for local companies in house stuff
<jamest> so this weekend should (with the exception of a family gettogether for mothers day, i think) be perfect for a release 
<jbailey> jamest: Will you be online Thursday day, and able to hack a bit?
<jamest> during day?
<jbailey> Or early evening?
<jamest> i could possible take time off 
<jamest> as I think i have hair cut in early evening
<jbailey> I don't think it will take long enough to need that.
<jamest> if it's short then I'll make time
<jbailey> It's mostly that I need to eliminate some strange warnings/errors, and also need to get the best way to separate the different UIs.
<jamest> by color of course
<jbailey> I tried eliminating the curses front end, but it still seemed to be hooked in somehow.
<jbailey> jamest: colour? =)
<jamest> it's the fallback if the ui fails
<jamest> so that a user can get gui by default at work
<jamest> ssh in from a windows machine and still get text w/o having to know to pass -u curses
<jbailey> Ooo ooo ooo!!!  DVD/Cdrom automounter for gnome!
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<jamest> you said the G word!
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<jbailey> *lol*  That's right you're all KDE freaks^Wusers here, aren't you?
<jamest> dude
<jamest> last week we had a big speaker from MSRI (a math research institute) 
<jamest> he saw KDE on the guest machine and said "Oh we use that at work"
<jbailey> That's cool.
<jbailey> It's nice to see that there's the choice.
<jbailey> It's also nice to see that they're trying to play nicely with one another so that apps can work on either. =)
<chillywilly> kde!
[11:58] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
<jbailey> I've heard that recent kde's are quite nice and fix the usability problems I was having.  But hey, I'm setup on gnome now, so why try other things?
<chillywilly> cause kde performs better, imho
<chillywilly> that's a big reason why I switched
<jbailey> *shrug* I've had no problems running gnome on a 500mhz celeron.
<chillywilly> I still use galeon for web browsing
<jbailey> Dunno about slower than that.
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<jamest> this week a new visitor is here for 3 days
<jamest> he saw KDE on the guest machine and said "Oh we use that at work"
<jamest> this isn't as much a plug for kde and it is a plug that free software is making it onto the desktop
<jamest> it's nice to see people come in here and already feel comfortable w/ the computer they are given as they've used it before
<ra3vat> jamest: how can i use user defined forms library? is there examples anywhere?
<jamest> um
<jamest> i thought it was covered in jcater's developers guide for forms
<jamest> i've not used them myself 
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<chillywilly> back
<chillywilly> does anyone know what thing needs to be running for gtk2/gnome2 apps to use its theme?
<chillywilly> seems I have to start gnome-theme-manager by hand or something
<chillywilly> maybe gconfd?
<jbailey> Shouldn't need to do anything crazy like that.
<chillywilly> well I am not running gnome
<jbailey> All the necessary pieces are loaded automatically.
<jbailey> Oh, dunno then.
<chillywilly> that's why
<jbailey> gnome-session handles it all usually.
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> why don't gnome/gtk apps looks at the .gtkrc?
<chillywilly> doesn't*
<chillywilly> blah, that was a drunken sentence or something ;)
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<dsmith> chillywilly: Pure gtk apps probably do. gnome? Well, who knows what goes on there?
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<SachaS> morning all
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<dad> sure
<dad> if you can fix that oil leak
<dad> and take your brothers to the Y
<biggestbrother> but they smell funny
<dad> the Y?
<biggestbrother> yeah
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