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<tessarakt> hi
<tessarakt> hu?
<tessarakt> no op?
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<tessarakt> hi?
<derek> hi
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<chillywilly> sup jeff
<jbailey> Not much.  I'm sleepy.
<chillywilly> bum ;)
<chillywilly> isn't it like 2pm-ish there?
<jbailey> I didn't leave work until after 6am.
<chillywilly> guess not
<jbailey> Closer to 5.  I'm *east* of you, remember? =)
<chillywilly> more like 5pm
<chillywilly> how can you be sleepy at 5pm?
<chillywilly> get up early?
<chillywilly> stay up late?
<jbailey> (16:55) <jbailey> I didn't leave work until after 6am.
<chillywilly> gah, why?
<jbailey> Upgrade.
<jbailey> It had..  issues.
<chillywilly> are you insane? ;)
<chillywilly> what were you upgrading?
<jbailey> I was working on a checkpoint firewall.  
<jbailey> The others were working on our PKI stuff.
<chillywilly> checkpoint?
<chillywilly> is that a brand or term?
<jbailey> Brand.
<chillywilly> hardware?
<jbailey> We were using an appliance, but there's also software firewalls.
<chillywilly> why not a gnu/linux box?
<chillywilly> ;)
<jbailey> Auditor requirements.
<chillywilly> bah
<tessarakt> hi folks
<tessarakt> Are there good editors for Python?
<tessarakt> with class browser etc.
<tessarakt> I just started Java (for university) and I really like Eclipse
<tessarakt> I really would like to contribute something again ...
<tessarakt> as far as my time allows ...
<tessarakt> anyone here?
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<derek> emacs
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<derek> and
<derek> emacs ;)
<tessarakt> derek: ...
<tessarakt> does it have a class-browser?
<tessarakt> auto-completion?
<lupo> good evening
<tessarakt> hi
<tessarakt> why aren't there operators in this channel?
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<lupo> hi
<lupo> well
<lupo> there's no need for operators
<lupo> do you have a certain wish regarding the channel?
<tessarakt> ah, ok
<tessarakt> no
<lupo> "we are an anarcho-syndicalist commune!" (monty python, quest for the holy grail)
<tessarakt> ok
<lupo> nat-wohnheime.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ?
<lupo> that's round the corner, nearly :)
<tessarakt> hehe
<lupo> tessarakt: do you have a special interest in GNUe?
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<tessarakt> lupo: I did write some spec stuff a year ago
<tessarakt> not mucg
<tessarakt> much
<tessarakt> do you know which editor is good for UML?
<lupo> oh
<lupo> what do you mean, good editor for UML? a good uml editor?
<lupo> i have heard the the kde project will feature a UML tool in the 3.2 release
<lupo> it's called umbrello and the screenshots look fine. it can generate C++ and, iirc, java.
<lupo> the URL is something like uml.sf.net
<tessarakt> i just tried ArgoUML
<tessarakt> I do not like it
<tessarakt> another question, project-related:
<tessarakt> what is a good editor for Python?
<lupo> seriously?
<lupo> I use vim :)
<lupo> I don't know what constitutes a "good editor" for you
<tessarakt> class browser
<lupo> personally, i like it stupidly small and fast.
<lupo> oh
<tessarakt> semantical auto-completion
<lupo> you mean something with IDE stuff?
<tessarakt> yeha
<tessarakt> yeah
<tessarakt> like Eclipse for Java
<lupo> honestly, i don't know
<tessarakt> are there better docs now for GNUe?
<lupo> i remember some capable python editor but i don't recall the name
<lupo> *googling*
<tessarakt> (API docs, I mean)
<lupo> which API exactly?
<tessarakt> any
<tessarakt> I was looking at the appserver last time
<tessarakt> and there one class uses the other 
<lupo> the appserver API is quite stable
<lupo> for now
<tessarakt> quite complicated without class browser and/or auto-generated docs
<lupo> the appserver API is also documented, i just don't know how up to date that stuff is
<tessarakt> yeah, that's what I mean ...
<lupo> GNUe Common is documented to some extent
<tessarakt> ok
<lupo> reinhard and siesel should be the guys with the most clue, but haven't seen them for quite some time
<tessarakt> yeah, I still remember them :-)
<lupo> http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html
<lupo> (python IDE)
<lupo> but i haven't seen something with auto-completion :-/
<lupo> there's also a python plugin for eclipse
<tessarakt> oh, cool
<tessarakt> thanks
<lupo> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyeclipse/
<tessarakt> ah
<tessarakt> version 0.0.1 *g*
<lupo> well
<tessarakt> July 16, 2002 :-(
<lupo> hm
<lupo> and boa constructor?
<tessarakt> ?
<lupo> google for it
<lupo> it's a wx / python IDe
<lupo> i have tried a very old version and it looked quite promising
Action: lupo is away: sleeping / shlafen geyen / schlafen / dormir
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<chillywilly> http://freestrategy.info/ <-- first time I actually read through this and all I have to say is...WOW
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