Chipaca in a production mode? some of our partners are using the application we developed with the gnue tools in production, yes Chipaca ah ok how about the application server ? is it in production mode? no, when we developed our app appserver wasn't there yet I don't know about now Chipaca ah ok..wat apps do u develop using gnue ? :) we are developing an ERP ah ok thanks.. :) chipaca is ur ERP in a production ? :) yes, in a few limited scenarios it is in production it is still only useful to small businesses, however. is that the gne-sb? no, it's earlier :) and it's focused on argentina, for now; latinamerica in the next year Chipaca is it an open source? :) http://papo.vialibre.org.ar yes Chipaca i cant understand..is this spanish? Chipaca i cant understand the page..is this spanish? Chipaca is there any english website for this ? :) no, there isn't sorry most of the dev is in english, but the docs are in spanish hi chipaca ah ic.. :) is this still active project yes chillywilly: hi hello chillywilly... chillywilly can appserver be use ? :) I don't think it's quite there yet there was 0.0.3 release of it but it's not production ready you may want to mail the list or wait around for reinhard, seisel, or johannes chilly willy ok..:) thanks.. reinhard may join in an hour or 2 that's about the time he wakes up ;) chillywilly how can i use the navigator? well I haven't really used it...it's supposed to be for navigating between various forms it takes an xml file like all the other tools gpd file, gnue process definition iirc Chipaca...i have downloaded the source how do i run the app? ianfiel: gfcvs main.gfd derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey hey hey Vee2d2: hi ianfiel: you should harass derek ;) heya Chipaca Chipaca what is gfcvs? everyone should harass derek. =) Hello vee2d2.. cvs version of the forms client hello derek.. ianfiel: howdy. when i try to execute ..gfcvs main.gfd.. it doest recognize in windows2000pro.. ianfiel: we haven't tried it in windows; you need to install everything to get gnue working first Vee2d2: hi chipaca : wat do i need to install? :) python, wxwindows, gnue common...and some other stuff ianfiel: what type of installation you did, from .exe? ianfiel: PAPO probably won't work on windows, not without you knowing exactly how to set up gnue by hand on that platform ra3vat: he downloaded the papo tarball ra3vat : tarball.. :) oh Action: chillywilly has installed gnu by hand on windows before and got it to work gnue nobody has ever tried papo on a windows box :) if it works, i'd probably go and break something :p darn ;) 'cause if it works, then they'll want to use it on windows, and although we're clear on not supporting it they'll still be 5' on the phone saying "but... but... but.." umm, well I was joking ;) Action: Chipaca is joking [ for the record ] keep them on gnu/linux if you can ;) is there any detail tutorial how to use gnuenterprise? there's the forms developers guide erm, a even less developed gnue common guide and this irc channel ;) ianfiel: you can try to install this - http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/hourly/ where you can get live support ;) i have cvs gnue on w2k running Vee2d2, derek: I'm writing a DTD for database schema definitions; any hints from your experience with that? but usually best support is most likely to happen during the day in US CST timezone Action: Vee2d2 deflects to derek heheh or nountain/AZ time ;) whatever the hell they use chillywilly i have tried GNUE designer...i have finish inserting a datasource when i tried to put a edit box a message appear "unable to perform the request action. There ar no blocks in this form" what does it mean? add a block first ;) you should check out the forms guide I'll see if I can dig it up derek? can I get you some coffee while I wait? I'll take some.. cream and sugar, please. milk ok instead of that cream? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/Developers-Guide.pdf chillywilly do u have a simple sample program using gnuenterprise..? there are samples in cvs Vee2d2: to deflect it to derek? :) heck no! ianfiel: gnue-sb is such a sample mine! =) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/cvs-stats.html i have tried to use gnue form ... it then i tried the ctrl-c(copy) ctr-v(pasted) in an edit box..it does work..why? jcater is the back bone of the project man 65% of changed lines are by jcater chillywilly i have tried to use gnue form ... then i tried the ctrl-c(copy) ctr-v(pasted) in an edit box..it does work..why? ianfiel: I'm not sure man I really need to play with the tools some more myself chillywilly ok.. how are those stats generated? why does ctrl-c(copy) ctr-v(pasted) in an edit box..doesnt work in my forms..? :) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/demo-datasources.py <-- that interesting ianfiel: it does not work for me too ra3vat : how do i cut and past in an edit box? :) s/that/that's/ yip, he's always got interesting stuff in his ~.. =) yes jcater is da man ianfiel: it may be not yet supported Action: chillywilly really should do some of the less glamorous work like write some unit tests and docs... http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms/ <-- there might be newer docs there ianfiel http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/goats/ :) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/goats/FormBuilder60.pdf - what is in there? dunno hehe: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/logos/goat-caricature.png I want a t-shirt of that man ;) how about a leather jacket, with that on the back? oh I thought that was the one with the goat raping the computer.. =) heheh http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/night.txt :) I have that digitized, still need to clean it up a little. But I planned on at least making me a shirt or two.. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/poem.txt 'that' = http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/logos/goat-caricature.png see it at: http://www.topsew.com/see/gnue/gnue.goat.emb.png doesnt have the 'Free your Enterprise!" though http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/wife.deb.txt my fav :) yea ianfiel: copy/paste works with win32 driver (available is cvs) via popup menu Action: chillywilly copies his ~/src dir off of his backup onto his relatively new install and realizes there's a lot of stinking code in there ;) darned perl script will convert the structure, but I'll have to copy the comments in by hand :( or parse the comments... drat, either way it's work what are you talking about? ugh, I have to sleep g'night guys chillywilly: mee too chillywilly: 'night Action: Chipaca waves Chipaca (~john@ADSL-200-59-84-246.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Zzzzzz!!!" reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hello reinhard.. hello pll.. hello reinhard..:)how can i use the navigator? :) hm Action: reinhard has never used it himself Action: reinhard is horribly out of touch with some parts of gnue :( ah ic.. have u use gnue forms? yes some time ago ianfiel: gnue-navigator thanks ra3vat .gpd is GNUe Process Definition format reinhard : thanks.. do u have a sample? :) ra3vat : thanks.. do u have a sample? :) ah ok Action: reinhard was getting confused :) ra3vat : do u have sample for the gpd file ? ianfiel: i see there are two sample files in the source code navigator/samples/foobulations.gpd sample.gpd hello reinhard ra3vat : ah ok thank..i try to run it.. :) hi ra3vat ra3vat : im using windows2000pro when i try to run gnu-navigator the OS would tell me unrecognized command..what should i do? dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Client Quit ra3vat : still der? :) ianfiel: yes, i'm just slow as usual :) ra3vat : :) do i need to compile something ? or configure something? ianfiel: find where executable scripts were placed after installation ra3vat : wat do u mean? ianfiel: if you installed python first then gnue from tgz or zip yes i have installed gnue and python..wat then next? :) i probably have all runnable script somewhere like ..\Python22\Scrips i have them in d:\Python22\Scripts i have not installed navigator though will try that now what is the name of the scripts? gnue-navigator i have gnue-navigator.in is this the one? ianfiel: it is probably in the .tgz you downloaded, am i right? ianfiel:what have you done after you downloaded gnue? yup..i have already download the zip file and extract the zip in my hard drive.. you downloaded separate zips for packages like Forms, Common or one zip for all gnue? separate.. i have extracted gnue-forms and gnue-navigator anyway after extracting you need to install them and you need gnue-common first ra3vat : im new with this.. :) sorry.. how do i install them ? ianfiel: i would suggest you to grab cvs snapshot (for something like win32 driver, not included in the last release ) you need to run python setup.py install first inside common then in forms and navigator the command is "python setup.py install" ra3vat ..ok ill try.. ianfiel: where is your python installed? ra3vat : c:\python22 ianfiel: after you run that command 3 times investigate what you have inside c:\python22 there should be etc, Lib\site-packages\gnue, Scripts, shared, translations directories which are gnue related ok ill try..im now trying the common.. :) when i try to setup the forms an error occured Pyncurses(Currently not working).... No ianfiel: it is not error, it is a warning :) Curses(Currently not working) wxPython...no thst's ok too :) mx DateTime...no... so i dont need to download them? :) ianfiel: yes, mxDatteTime is required and wxPython too where can i download wxpython? :) wxpython.org ok ... :) ianfiel: do you have INSTALL.win32 file where you extracted forms.zip? ill try to check..;) yup...but there are no instructions in about "python setup.py install" yes i noticed that too where did find all this instructions ? ianfiel: lets improve INSTALL.win32 what instructions are missed? sure... :) i mean where did u leard how to install the gnue?:) sure lets improve the INSTALL.win32.. :) ianfiel: i'm just keep learning during last 2.5 years :) ra3vat : ahh..ok... ra3vat : 90% dowload of the wxPython..:) ra3vat: lets start improving the install.win32.. :) ianfiel: sometimes i do " site:.gnuenterprise.org" on google to grab from this channel logs ra3vat : ahh..ic..how many years have u used gnue ? ianfiel: i fisrt came here about 2.5 years ra3vat : u mean u have use gne for 2.5 year ? r u still using it? have a couple small applications like gnue-sb i use daily now and prepare to use in two offices ra3vat : i have finish running "python setup.py install" in common, forms, reports, whats next? : whats next? :) ianfiel: find samples directory where forms extracted then after i found "helloworld2.gfd" ? :) wat should i do? python gnue-forms helloworld2.gfd apply path's if needed an error occured : "c:\phython22\python: cant't open file 'gnue-forms' wat shall i do? ianfiel: read INSTALL.win32 for how to extend path search :) ianfiel: i corrected INSTALL.win32 for "python setup.py install", what else is missed there? ianfiel: for first try you can copy simple form like helloworld in c:\Python22\Scrips and run python gnue-forms helloworld2.gfd from there fixe (~fixe@dsl017-020-123.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat: ok ...na...but when i run helloworld2.gfd "cant's load image file 'gnue-splash.png' where can i find this file? python gnue-forms --no-splash helloworld2.gfd try this first ra3vat : its now running...:)thanks a lot... :) ra3vat : how about navigator how do i run it? :) ok python gnue-navigator <.gpd file> python gnue-forms --help for command line parameters ra3vat : i have run it ...thanks a lot..:) how do i add, edit gnue-navigator menus? ianfiel: look inside those gpd files and extend or you talk about navigator's menu bar? i'm not sure it is extendable at the moment ra3vat : i see thanks...can i create a binary file for gnue-forms and gnue-navigator ? [04:16] Last message repeated 1 time(s). ianfiel: what are you trying to reach with exe's? easy to start ? you can make a shortcut how can turn off the debug ? how can turn off the debug ( i can see a console Back in my apps.) Now GNUe Forms can be ran via pythonw c:\Python20\scripts\gfclient c:\path\to\some\form.gfd To make this easier just create a shortcut that contains this line. ianfiel: it is from the bottom of INSTALL.win32, notice _pythonw_ is that helpful/valid? yes it helpfull :) thanks a lot..:) wer can i get the gnu-sb? i like to test it...:) is there any user authentication in gnu-sb..? ianfiel: what else is missed in INSTALL.win32 before we forget it again? :) i think it..helpfull..:) for a new commmer.. ra3vat : wer can i download gnu-sb ? :) oh, sorry savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnue-sb does gnue-sb has user authentication ? :) hold on 00005.txt Writing a Custom Login/Authentication Handler it is in common/doc/technotes where can i find that directory? where you extracted gnue-common ra3vat ah ok...i cant download the gnue-sb...:) ra3vat ah ok...i cant download the gnue-sb...:) is there other any site? dat i can download? ra3vat : thanks a lot for ur help..:) gnue-sb archive is about 25K i can send it by email to you ra3vat : when i click "http://savannah.gnu.org/files/?group=gnue-sb" page cannot be displayed ianfiel: they're not yet released but still available from cvs ra3vat : ah ic..ill try to get it.. is there a user authen in gnue-sb? how do i get the file in cvs ? :) you can install wincvs.org then after that? :) ianfiel: when you setup database connection you will get default db authentication? if it is not enough follow technote instruction to make custom auth method ra3vat : ah ok..:) thanls.. all gnue-sb related cvs info is on http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=gnue-sb you should find how to fill form in wincvs with it brb back i have downloaded the gnue-sb..:) ra3vat : i have downloaded the gnue-sb..:) how do i run this as an application? :) how do i run this as an application? :) (gnue-sb) ra3vat : hello ?? :) it may be just a set of forms at this stage ra3vat ahh ..ok :) have u realy tried gnue in a production mode applications? :) you can write gpd file and run in navigator ra3vat ahh ..ok :) have u realy tried gnue in a production mode applications? gnue-sb is not in for production stage that have been used by a company or store.. :) i have no store management yet ask jamest or jcater about using in production ra3vat : ah..ok...but have u tried it using in production mode? :) ra3vat : ah..ok...but have u tried it using in production mode? :) (gnue tools) http://ics.elcom.ru/~ds/ my production mode may differ from what you think but i use gnue daily ra3vat : in what aspect did u use gnue daily ? :) contact management dell service database management ra3vat : ah..ok ...how was it? :) fine for me, i can tell more when extend my installation for other people soon ah..ok...:) thanks for the many information that u have given me..it mean a lot for me..thanks..:) have to go now... ra3vat : thanks again..:) ok, you're welcome :) ianfiel (~ddd@203.160.177.10) left irc: reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "No problem is so interesting that you can't just walk away from it" ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-242-61.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@c-66-177-158-116.se.client2.attbi.com) left irc: "Client exiting" ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-242-61.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. for clarification gnue-sb has 'user authentication' in as much as the database has it it doesnt have 'role based access control', but it does have user authentication ok at one time the 'custom login' handler worked (though we werent using in gnue=sb) which would allow you to make username/passwords in a db instead of using the db's credentials if that makes sense i think for our current aim that type of functionality is most important i.e. either you have access or you dont then phase two would be role based user X can do y but not x etc i use custom login now, very simple though - cool I didn't realize anyone was using the custom login stuff that makes me happy :) jcater: yes, thanks :) that's why i referenced that technote sigh gnome or this computer has become 'windows' like recently gets slow the longer it runs and unstable when using too many applications chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) rdean (~rdean@c-66-177-158-116.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There are two kinds of people: those who divide people into two kinds, and those who don't" tessarakt (AC140F80@nat-wohnheime.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). chillywilly (~danielb@d147.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. fixe (~fixe@dsl017-020-123.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) chillywilly (~danielb@d147.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) chillywilly (~danielb@d87.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d87.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Client Quit chillywilly (~danielb@d67.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly_ (~danielb@d6.as9.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d67.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@d6.as9.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net)) Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly chillywilly_ (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d6.as9.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com)) Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly SachaS (~SachaS@dialup-196-195.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. rufus (rufus@adsl-154-164-131.bna.bellsouth.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rufus (rufus@adsl-154-164-131.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit steveb_ (~steveb@202-0-63-158.adsl.paradise.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. steveb__ (~steveb@202-0-63-158.adsl.paradise.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Free Your Enterprise! - http://www.gnuenterprise.org" chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-199-51.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. botsie (~botsie@202.88.170.105) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone home? 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