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ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-246-169.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~trillian@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~trillian@202.73.120.115) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)" lxf (~trillian@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~trillian@202.73.120.115) left irc: Client Quit lxf (~trillian@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-190-68.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jamest, please fix my fix for block.commit if needed, but i've got what i wanted to do cool jamest: have you seen also my question in the maillist, could you comment? stuq_ (~stuq@170-215-246-169.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. i'm about 2 weeks behind on that account i'll try and read it in a bit ok lxf (~trillian@202.73.120.115) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)" ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-246-169.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) i didn't even know we supported explicitfields jcater: you still using win4lin he is he's running the newly released 5.0, I'm running 4.0 I'm using the crossover plugin 1.2.1 I'm using both is 5.0 any good? can it access windows printing system? yes it is windows cool you install win4lin windows printing well ethernet, printing etc wasnt so sure windows networking it askes for a windows cd it installs windows only thing... it doesn't support USB outside of what linux kernel supports i.e. devices thtat GNU/Linux uses also wasnt sure how it dealt with its parallel printer i print from win4lin to a samba server and games that heavily uses directx won't work coupons are killing me as the windows print server is shit jcater: i thought that was fixed in 5.0 no uses directx directx support jamest: they support basic directx but no directx that talks to hardware so 'heavily uses' is the distinguisher there :) but not hardware directx, which some highend games need iirc ah not that I have time to play games at work it runs all the apps I need at work seemlessly my biggest concern is Debian is not listed as supported on win4lin site it works im thinking of installing it as there are a few things the wife needs windows for (activeX controls on websites) they support lindows directly which is debian based and then maybe i could play sims and other stuff someday also xandros my fear is that upgrading the kernel Action: derek refuses to compile kernels they don't offer debian kernels, i asked about that then you are sol sigh i was fearful of that on non debian systems do you have to? Action: derek was considering buying wife new pc it seems to have something to do with the phase of the moon, or jupiter being in the sign of mars, or maybe it was something incompatible with the sock gnomes that live in your washer no, on redhat, et al, it's installer installs a new kernel actually i suppose i will just FIGHT around it hmmm my fear isnt in compiliing kernel jcater also read the reply I got so maybe he could offer more insight into the win4lin teams reasons its compiling kernel likely will break tons of crap i have working as they were completely incomprehensible to me jamest: made no sense to me they support xandros and lindows Action: jcater thinks it was a misunderstanding of initrd derek : you grab the kernel-package both debian variants well i will have to sleep on it you apply the patches if i buy wife new pc derek: they view initrd as a problem apparently i will have no problem recompiling kernel I suppose xandros and lindows use stock, regular kernels you copy your existing debian kernel config setting as it will be fresh machine/install they are part of the install in fact i might beg one of you to make me a package off your kernel :) then issue one command and you get the same kernel you have with a win4li support it's not hideous oh that would be cool and looks like its officially supported in #gnuenterprise which beats the hell out of commercial support ;) lol, actually my win4lin install moved to RH as a last ditch effort to get dual athlon win4lin stable which did not work so how does win4lin EULA work if i buy one copy can i install on all my home machines shutting off a cpu fixed it but i've not migrated back to debian yet (lack of time) dunno i suspect not but that was more 'do they have a way to prevent it' question ;) i suspect not is there way to 'try' win4lin w/o buying i can run multiple instances of wts (their multiuser setup) on different machines maybe if you guys are around today i will try to install on my laptop if i can get it working i will buy it as I do that when moving from one machine to another I can run multiple sessions of their single user too not that I do derek: they give one month key to try ah, yeah I forgot about that that way my users didn't lose windows access when I moved them around trying different dual athlon boxes how long does it take to redo kernel? 30 minutes? highly depends on speed of your machine took me about half an hour on my Athlon 1600 p3 500mhz 512mb RAM can it be done unattended? yeah definitely want to start me on the process? before i run off to church (if one of you will be around later or if it doesnt force me to use new kernel right away) which kernel are you going top use? c/top/to also, is this debian unstable or woody? unstable actually since I don't want to go thru derek support hell how about I compile it for your machine and send you a tarball ii kernel-image-2 2.4.18-5 Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PI is what im using now lsmod if you want to compile for my machine and send me deb that would be AWESOME chilly always claims making a .deb out of custom kernel is a snap yeah, I learned how to do that Thursday it is easy my one concern --- does that .deb contain the modules? or just the kernel? Action: jcater wasn't sure I'll check though latitude:/home/dneighbo# lsmod Module Size Used by Tainted: P ppp_deflate 39008 0 (autoclean) bsd_comp 3968 0 (autoclean) ppp_async 5984 0 (autoclean) ppp_generic 18120 0 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async] slhc 4352 0 (autoclean) [ppp_generic] smbfs 31232 2 (autoclean) parport_pc 21928 1 (autoclean) lp 5920 0 (autoclean) parport 22912 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] apm 8860 2 (autoclean) ds 6464 2 yenta_socket 8352 2 pcmcia_core 38624 0 [ds yenta_socket] af_packet 11400 2 (autoclean) uhci 23784 0 (unused) usbcore 48160 1 [uhci] xircom_cb 5728 1 maestro 25664 2 soundcore 3524 2 [maestro] rtc 5336 0 (autoclean) unix 13284 327 (autoclean) ide-disk 6592 2 (autoclean) ide-probe-mod 7968 0 (autoclean) ide-mod 129420 2 (autoclean) [ide-disk ide-probe-mod] ext3 56544 1 (autoclean) jbd 34968 1 (autoclean) [ext3] latitude:/home/dneighbo# oops that pasted to wrong window jcater: im assuming putting in a new kernel doesnt delete old ones? i.e. in grub i could keep old kernel image? and if something evil happens to this one i can always start with new one right it's actually recommended it's part of the default kernel .deb install process if you could get me that kernel laurie would love you :) reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-65-31-171-97.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. phreaks Action: chillywilly hurls trout all around Action: Vee2d2 raises hands ow! 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