hmm Ellison wants to be Gates so I guess there's good and bad to that jcater_ (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "bed time" derek i'm glad i'm finishing uni in 6 months .... cause the uni/peoplesoft been putting this system together for over a year now and it still needs work dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~chatzilla@219.95.155.118) joined #gnuenterprise. anybody not sleep yet :) jafgon (~jafgon@dhcp024-210-188-138.woh.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. aloh.. so fast.. hello dcmwai hello... No one seem to be still awarkening dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jafgon (~jafgon@dhcp024-210-188-138.woh.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" bye sacha__ (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) left irc: "leaving" chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-200-152.wi.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out siesel (~chatzilla@port1059.duesseldorf.ndh.net) joined #gnuenterprise. g'd morning hi dcmwai, I've read in the log, that your working on arias, ... Action: siesel is working on i18n for gnue, especially to support classical chinese, which is only supported by the gtk2 backend at the moment. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-171-97.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) left irc: ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi flax07 (~flax07@81.5.147.130) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (xm6rvhxixj@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-165.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left #gnuenterprise ("Вышел из XChat"). chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-200-152.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port50.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) sup chillywilly sup freakin nemo doesn't seem to be working all those little rars fail CRC check nemo was lost his dad and dora had to go find him jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo (~lupo@p5085F4E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_: cool ;) jamest_: what would we ever do w/o you well, you'd have to have to take your kid(s) to the latest kid movies so you can be up on these thigns haha, we're going to see it today fool ;P doesn't hurt to have a "copy" for the kids to watch either ya know ;) they like watching the same stiff over and over stuff bah :) Sacha (~Sacha@dialup-196-253.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). chillywilly: When my son was small he watched "Lady and the Tramp" every day (sometimes twice) for about a year. Like 5 years old or so. :) yup my son is hooked on Twister and Toy Soldiers havoc_ (~havoc@sdn-ap-035ilchicP0174.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. has been for about a year too he likes the "flying truck and flying cow: fixe (~fixe@dsl017-020-123.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "because I feel like it" "Dadda, I wanna see the flying truck!" haha jcater: btw, i should send you a screenshot with my KMail "commit-gnue" folder; guess the sender of the last 15-20 mails --- you commit bitch :-) havoc_ (~havoc@sdn-ap-035ilchicP0174.dialsprint.net) left irc: Client Quit you've done nice things I'm *very* happy with the CVS copy of GNUe Designer anyone of you trouble making a cvs update on savannah? cvs tells me that it can't create a directory /mnt/ramfs/cvssomething havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-171-97.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) that's odd I just updated and it worked hrm i'll make a fresh co argh even a fresh checkout doesn't work need to reboot bye lupo (~lupo@p5085F4E6.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gnuenterprise. Err.. savannah was in distress this morning. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jafgon (~jafgon@dhcp024-210-188-138.woh.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello morning beautiful day here in sunny ohio ..... yours? eh I'm at work this is Josh we spoke via email i shouldve introduced myself first :) ah, yeah wonder if derek is here jafgon: Ohio! Where? dsmith: the beautiful part, of course err s/beautiful/sunny But *all* of Ohio is beautiful! ha ... yes for now crazy ohio weather. it could snow any minute i am in findlay just south of Toledo jafgon: Ah, ok. Cool. I'm in between Cleveland and Akron. ah go browns! heh Action: dsmith assumes "browns" refers to a sports team ;^) yes I jest i spent some time in cleveland a whole back when working for noguska Cleveland Clinic was a client of ours whole=while fixe (~fixe@dsl017-020-123.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith: are you a member of the gnuenterprise community? jafgon: No, I just hang out here cause it's fun. jafgon: But I'm ver very intrested in what's going on and am following the development. are you a programmer? I'm not a programmer I just play one in IRC =) anyword from derek jcater> no hmmmm jafgon: Me? Yes, I've been coding in C for about 18 years, along with other things. lupo (~lupo@pD9E689AE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (xm6rvhxixj@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-165.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "later.." back jafgon (~jafgon@dhcp024-210-188-138.woh.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" revDeke (www-data@209.234.155.8) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke: www-data@ ??? lupo: Didn't you know? Derek's a web server. He runs a modified emacs-doctor that eventually concludes with: "Perhaps we need newer .debs" or some variation of that. ;) Action: jbailey is away: I'm busy roflmao jbailey: that was good revDeke (www-data@209.234.155.8) left #gnuenterprise. flax07 (~flax07@81.5.147.130) left irc: "Client exiting" jbailey: derek is a web server? is he more apache-like or thttpd-like? fat and ugly or small and fast? I prefer to think of him as IIS lol master of unstable? promises a lot, but is easily 0wnzed (by the wife) hehe promises a lot, but is easily 0wnzed (by the wife) sigh this isn't bash hehe i'll try designer on my laptop now tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4" jcater: hey, where's the execute form menu point gone? we disabled it for the 0.5.0 release as it was buggy ah with the intention of fixing it and re-enabling it (honestly, I'd forgotten about it... I'm adding it to my list right now) thx btw, you have written some apps with forms for customers, right? well I'm not a consultant all my stuff is internal but, yes, I use it GNUe Forms runs my wife's bookstore, for one she loves it one of the cool things it does (it's a used book store) she can scan the barcode on a book thats brought in a trigger then adds it to inventory and extracts the ISBN from that barcode then does a screen capture from some online book resource to get the author and title information for that book question: how do you do menus? do you use navigator or do you hack forms in one way or another? jcater? Action: lupo is away: diner sorry, was "fixing" our logs I don't do custom menus in forms... but I think james was adding something along those lines I forget where it stands haha now google will never find you jcater ;) Action: jbailey is back (gone 01:12:21) revDeke (www-data@209.234.155.8) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm looks like missed josh jcater: i think in jamest's neck of the woods a "flying cow" would just be considered "fast food" ;) true dat were you able to talk to josh at all? yeah he said 10am CST which i thought was 8am my time he was confused i tried 8am and 9am then had meetings he said 12:00 EST which he thought was 10 CST but was in fact 11:00 CST Action: revDeke is always lost on time conversions and always prefers in GMT +/- as im the only bastard on the planet that ignores daylight savings dsmith (iycuyj6yzg@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-165.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. revDeke (www-data@209.234.155.8) left #gnuenterprise. havoc (~havoc@sdn-ap-034ilchicP0269.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. takikrd (takikrd@lns-p19-7-82-65-212-28.adsl.proxad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello everybody is there someone? hello takikrd i'm discovering GNUE since a week and i have to develop a computing production management system and i think that it could be a good solution the problem is that i'm trying to test GNUe under windows for example and i don't find tutorials that could help me from the beginning to the realisation of a little project for example u see? someones here do that too do u know if something already exists? i was using Developers Guide for Forms Yes but how do u connect to a database... set a new language... it's not very easy i mean i knox it's a huge project but........... for connection with db you need to look into connections.conf file are u under linux? i have gnue installed under windows oki and do u have a real experience using GNUe? or is it just for tests? other men using my forms under windows so it is not just my tests ok i used cvs tree i have on linux box to install under windows it was not installation from .exes ok and does GNUe suits your needs? in fact, i'm wondering wether i propose or not GNUe to my employee instead a little ERP or an entire developpement by a computing developper? takikrd: there are no completed gnue-based ERP applications currently ra3vat: there is Action: lupo is back it is more like framework to help you develop your own okay you forgot project papo ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" which is complete, but it is available in spanish only :( it was written only with argentina in mind flax07 (~flax07@81.5.147.130) joined #gnuenterprise. but i heard something about papo people targeting whole south america in the long run and is there a lot to develop for a little application? lupo: sure i remember papo, doing cvs up from time to time :) takikrd: you can develop data-driven applications quite rapidly Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. everything in C++ of course? everything in Python which is much simpler than C++ oh shit i don't know Python i was afraid of using python, too but you don't have to do much with it it's more like javascript "done right" usually, 98% of a gnue based application is written in XML you don't "program" an app, you describe it takikrd: in little application near everything is in xml ok can i tell me what do u use GNUe for? do u think it's really used in companies? i don't use it currently, nor at a customer site, but i regularly play with it, try to fix this or that bug, because i think seen from a long-term perspective, i will be able to write powerful applications with it so u think that i can let it down for the moment? i mist code everything myself, with my own errors ;-) or propose them an ERP? the dream falls down... i use it for contact managemant db mostly and... no problems? no what can i do??? i finish my internship in 2 months reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. gnue isn't an install-and-start-right-now ERP, at the moment reinhard: hi an d i must propose them wether to buy an ERP or to develop a personalized solution? takikrd: there are some guys who continue work on nola, i don't remember the name of the group do u think it's realistic to think at a GNUe solution? euh... what is nola? it depends what modules you want for an ERP yes just manufacturing and nola is a web-based free ERP from noguska. development has stopped and some other group took it over. a basic part of customer hm papo is targeting manufacturing what always helped me was working out a database scheme for the application, whether you write it yourself or buy an external one because you get a better impression of the requirements is your application data-intensive or logic-intensive? what do u mean? do you have to write an application which is mainly about displaying and maintaining data, or are there a lot of computations? displaying and maintaining data, i just found ossuite which is an integration of NOLA (ERP), osCommerce (e-commerce) and CRM do u know that? never heard of that you need an e-commerce interface too? takikrd: if you have your data organized already, you can design forms to maintain and display yes for info http://www.ossuite.org/ personally i think creating the database is more complicated than writing a form in gnue, as long as you don't have complex computations (=logic). that's just the beginning of my internship nothing is done takikrd: we have developers of arias.sf.net coming here lately don't know their goals... sorry i'm trying to install nola... the same derivation from nola and i test the demo on their website... jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. what a work !!! yeah the old old problem :) lets' imagine i decide to develop a solution based on GNUe, which kind of web-site can i browse? where can i find more info? for example where can i find a class diagram of their application? does it exist? do i have to read all the code to understand what they have designed? what application? just a question before because perhaps am i all wrong To my mind the framework of a traditional process is already done you'd better try gnue designer to make new forms for your db (any db) the creation of a product goes through a process divide in tasks... Is this already designed, or do i have to implement it? ok for the db but after the connection at the product table an object is created? I use to work with Java and postgreSQL for example i use postgresql too it is even simpler U mean tha ti just have to connect my db creating my forms base on a table of the database and i can for example create a new Product? of course, you can modify db entries with code, but usually you do it through data-aware widgets. when you get your very simple form running with your db, you'll see how much it can do for you - select, update, search, ... but when they talk about framework in GNUe what do they mean? or base packages like Supply Chain for example what is it for? framework is the tools family - GNUe forms, GNUe reports, GNUe designer, GNUe navigator, GNUe appserver ah okay and base packages? packages are SCM, CRM, etc. but they are not done now, there are only some proposals sorry for the time you luse to explain me... i understand quickly but i must explain me a long time ;-) that's not very clear... ? are u sure? when i read that part of the doc... examples of use http://www.gnuenterprise.org/project/docs/DevelopersIntroduction/c31.html#AEN33 We'll first start at the local car dealership where Carl Installs GNU Enterprise - Core Installs the Car Dealer template(s)/package(s) which were created by some other car dealership. And, in the spirit of sharing uploaded to the GNU Enterprise package(s)/template(s) library. The template(s)/package(s) specifically.... Modifies the CRM module included in the GNU Enterprise install to include a field to track a customers favorite type of car. Installs the needed components, modules, and packages to provide an auto maintenance history system to the repair shop. Tweaks the generic inventory module to handle issues specific to automobiles Installs the needed components, modules, and packages to maintain an auto parts counter is says modifies the CRM module !!!! yes so? the docs are ahead of gnue's time :) i'm sorry that they mislead you into thinking the packages were ready havoc (~havoc@sdn-ap-034ilchicP0269.dialsprint.net) left irc: "Client exiting" sorry i don't understand... the docs are ahead of gnue's time :) i'm not speaking english very well when they write "Modifies" it means "Codes" ? archivist (~archivist@host217-35-103-47.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #gnuenterprise. i won't disturb you anymore, to conclude, you mean that GNUe can be sum up to a set of tools in order to design an application is this what u mean? at the moment, yes gnue is not a complete ERP solution yet what a desillusion for me !!!!!!!!!!!!! :-( i'm sorry where are you from? france and u? germany mais je parle un peu de francais ouais pas mal les allemands sont bons en franГais en gИnИral meilleurs que les franГais en allemand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! surtout moi en tout cas hehe j'ai appris le francais pour sept ans Ю l'Иcole vous parlez vachement bien le franГais et l'anglais en gИnИral mais je ne crois pas que je pouvais conduire un simple discussion votre systХme Иducatif concernatn les langues en tout cas est bien meilleurs que le notre en gИnИral, oui. mais je ne reprИsent pas la majoritИ des allemands :) ;-) c dИjЮ pas mal en tout cas merci so i think i'm gonna try to develop it with Java and shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! java sucks why? because it takes a long time to develop with i have been more productive with nearly every other language python made me very productive takikrd: i can't think of an app I'd do in java now that I'm helping maintain one visual basic? jamest_: what do u use? gnue i think :) python and gnue :) python combines the simplicity of modern BASIC variants with the expressiveness of Pascal. but I'm bias bbiab what is bias? i don't understand bbiab? takikrd: avoir des prИjuges thx lupo if I were to write something today that had to run on a regular computer I'd try to do in python if it did not perform well I'd profile it and examine my code if I still had issues I'd rewrite the performance critical stuff in c/c++ and use swig to wrapper it so I could still use it in python and rewrite it in python again it'd be a python/C(++) blend as I find python amazingly productive compared to c|c++|java|perl|tcl/tk if I was to start a system from scratch that couldn't be done in python then I might consider using java as long as I had nice hardware to back it up i will have a look at this language but my gut tells me that I won't ever run into such a case :) be back later takikrd: olivier berger a Иcrit un introduction: http://perso.club-internet.fr/olberger/python/index.html merci thx lupo, ra3vat and jamest_ for your patience and i will try to find a solution before the end... c u see you takikrd (takikrd@lns-p19-7-82-65-212-28.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port29.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch! hello ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port29.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port11.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest__ (~jamest@adsl-208-191-38-130.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Everything that is worth fighting for, is worthy fighting dirty for" is today "tail" day? tail day? what's that? two jamest's with '_' :) ah :) i guess it tells me I'm already here you illegally cloned yourself, confess it! Nick change: jamest__ -> jamest dude if I could clone humans and could make said humans do my bidding do you really think I'd waste my time on a 32 year old slightly overweight computer nerd? erm is this a rhetorical question? not telling well, if you define slighly overweight as 110lbs and computer nerd as Claudia Schiffer, then, yes, yes I do think you would #define slightly_overweight_as_110lbs_and_computer_nerd Claudia_Schiffer why not? ==) er =) jcater: you were right about "tail day" :) ==) --> that stoned mask off of Scary Movie?? jcater: he even uses double tails :) lupo: rofl archivist (~archivist@host217-35-103-47.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Nick change: chillywilly -> chillywilly__ mdean (~mike@CPE-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port11.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. flax07 (~flax07@81.5.147.130) got netsplit. dsmith (iycuyj6yzg@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-165.clvhoh.adelphia.net) got netsplit. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) got netsplit. chillywilly__ (~danielb@CPE-24-167-200-152.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-38-130.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) got netsplit. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) got netsplit. jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-38-130.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port11.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. flax07 (~flax07@81.5.147.130) returned to #gnuenterprise. dsmith (iycuyj6yzg@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-165.clvhoh.adelphia.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. chillywilly__ (~danielb@CPE-24-167-200-152.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mike@CPE-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. byed lupo (~lupo@pD9E689AE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" Sacha (~Sacha@dialup-196-224.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. 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I've been bustin my ass on gnue the last 2 weeks no need to chain me down dsmith_ (ieju201q6e@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1d-165.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. r_linux (~r_linux@200.169.161.183) joined #gnuenterprise. Opa Opa... the GNUe is a "ERP" tool ??? yeah