any how Ill look over gnue but this turn may push me to mutate things a bit more, though I would still open co development.. Im not sure gnue's server end is the right direction for the db.. but more ADODB / modularization / pdf templating / and generalization of the data base.. IE make account data types that users can modify to suit their needs.. ADODB'ing should allow linkage to gnue's data or other db types.. and the rest, is well ,,, evolution.. If aria cuts out from mysql / oracle I may splinter it.. but I would always be open to explaining what I build.. so that aria would have the same abilities.. (this is all assuming I find real time to work on it..) Ugg my old profile.. its been tooo long.. any how, Ill check out the latest cvs of aria, and look into this whole gnue bit.. maybe Ill make a new sourceforge account if they wont re config my old one.. and submit some feature requests and what not.. OHHH I see now gnue is all python / wc based.. thus its actually just a bunch of scripts.. ok I will delve deeper.. lates guys.. cy83rpunk (~amorgan@adsl-64-168-25-49.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" dood that conversation was seriously confusing back Me too Hello derek Private.... Action: derek is amazed at why people want to use php/mysql to write business applications but anyhow jcater: i think i have about 15 - 25 people signed up for GNUe Training 12 hour course Training? I also want :) well tempe, az likely is a long drive for you ;) don't tell me that I only can have training over your place... for now im going to try to create 'courseware' then I'm not driving but flying ... and give class Hey why don't you make the course... Online :) either 2 nights a week for 3 weeks or 1 night a week for 6 weeks place has donated training facility to use ooh.. long long time. dcmwai: ultimately yeah woudl love some webbased training no good freesoftware for it currently :( plus that would be way more involved for now i plan on beefing up the user guides just put a camrecorder there and recorded them up :) and just 'orating' most of the class ok real work time tonight ooh... sigh but i have real life stuff to do first should be quick then i have to decide what my poison is ... Where would the training be? at Which country? USA at which county .. oh ... 12 hours... "fly" ignore me... alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-134-65.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: alandd is away: I'm busy hi alandd ok first few tasks done one or two more and im ready to gut ARIAS muhahahaha watch out dcmwai Action: derek is hoping to slurp ARIAS and compare it to acclite with any luck i can run patches against acclite then beg you guys to kill ARIAS cvs and use Acclite instead Action: derek garners his evil laughter reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. grr its much later than i thought slurping arias cvs, GNUe cvs and acclite cvs cvs party my house $2 cover charge... sorry its free speech not free beer ;) so what does arias offer to gnue ? some of the business logic ? or just web interface ? derek: heh reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Reality is for people that lack imagination" Nothing much, Just man power :) dcmwai: actually that's fairly well stated PLUS plus what? a web interface if they choose to want to continue that and some 'starting' points for accounting and hr to help get things rolling quicker that is a must :) Did you find any way to compare both of the CVS? updating them now found i had some work to do for usahoteljobs.com and some emails to send out for GNU Enterprise Training courses coming up in july plus trying like mad to be civilly disobidient to the MPAA and not succeeding Action: derek updated aria and acclite Action: derek cringed to see the illegal stuff still in arias cvs from nola namely MS fonts and zipcode databae er database ack illegal stuff? oh the zipcode db it is still there... bittorrent downloads of movies ;) muwahahah in the filldata.sql derek: will you still be here after 8 hours? um im always here just sometimes not at the computer Action: dcmwai now is 1500 (GMT+8) wow you are almost EXACTLY on the other side of the world i am GMT -7 8 hours more will bbe 00:00 (GMT+8) woo... +8+7=13 woo... Action: dcmwai sometime will make mistake like tha above.... 8+7=15 15 hours different. Will be 3 pm there on your side. derek: Will you make it here tonight? Action: dcmwai id now blur about the time now, for me is to night for you is everning dcmwai where are you from? me Perth, Australia atm Perth +8 as well I'm from Malaysia :) Anyone can tell me what is .... "Check out order" AND "Return from checkout" ??? Action: chillywilly pokes derek dcmwai: Kick derek Action: dcmwai Kick derek :) IRC war .. :) ouch Action: chillywilly trout slaps all channel infidels (this means you dcmwai) Action: dcmwai get a gun and shoot chillywilly. Action: derek ducks derek: Inventory is killing me.... comparision is nasty will be no simple way arias vs acclite not impossible just will be time consuming mommy its late Action: dsmith hands chillywilly a 15 barrel rapid fire trout-o-matic w00t Action: dsmith then runs away Action: dsmith ducks behind a mountain of aol cd's, waiting for the troutslapping to begin Action: dcmwai get an apache to follow dsmith Action: dcmwai Shoot on spolt :) derek: I think know why... derek: I've modified arias a lot .... really alot.... Action: dsmith converts the ulgy apache config files to beautiful Scheme code with mod-guile Bah Later dudes derek: If you want to do that here is a hints... Ignore $Lang['STR and STR_ That is the Languages translation Modification. After $lang['STR and STR_ have been taken out, I think that the differenr will be alot more smaller. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) i'm curious ... will there be any web support for gnue thourgh forms ? ... or is the plain just to run the web stuff seperatly ? Sacha: what do you mean in Perth atm ? ... do you make it over to the east coast much ? wtg: yes there 'will' be web support just not today er there is web support today todya? there is not html support today but there will be today... there will be... well technically with ssh tunnel to the database HAR... you can run forms over the internet to a backend not HAR i do it all the time it's not my fault the world equates 'web' with HTML I do it as well.. but and how will that work ? ... will forms run a mini server to dish the forms out ... or some other way ? you use a broswer i use a forms client but anyhow same way webservices now have to be .NET ? but things like CDDB has existed for years and last i checked it was a 'web service' to me :) it is a CGI services :) whhooo ... you guys have lost me ... isn't the idea of forms to run on multiple platforms/gui environments from the same *.gfd files ? Yes it should and it will how am i going to be able to view a *.gfd file through a browser ? wouldn't there need to be a web server runing some where ? that I'm thinking... or will forms just parse the *gfd file and convert it to a *.html file to put on an apache server ? an AppServer will ease the design jobs but will effect the AppServ Performanc wtg: can't really do that.. s/effect/affect wtg: going back to europe at the end of this year i see Sacha ... so your not australian ? wtg nope. well ... how do you like australia then ? hope your time here has been pleasent wtg are you from the east coast? yes wtg yes i like it here no way! which city? haven't been to Perth but i will one day Toowoomba it's two hours west of Brisbane excuse me i dont know where Toowoomba is :) what the next ..... Brisbane ah friends of mine are living in Brisbane atm schweet ... will you be seeing them any time before you leave at the end of the year ? not sure. there is a conference in Brisbane in September i think. hi i am working in the area of ebXML. i'm moving 10hr north in about a month ... but if you make it to the east coast ... i will happily travel to meet a gnue person =)) heh hello ajmitch sup dudes? hello chillywilly hi wtg more australians... hi ajmitch wah so happening :) wtg: i met reinhard twice back in europe. haha we need more aussies and less kiwis ;) Action: chillywilly runs :( haha chillywilly wtg: will let you know Action: ajmitch wonders why esands & isomer aren't lurking wankers that would be great Sacha excuse me, chillywilly? kiwis aren't that bad ... rooting sheep ain't my idea of a good time .. but each to their own haha! Action: ajmitch sighs =) my best mate i go to uni with is a kiwi ... so that sort of entitles me to put crap on them =) Action: chillywilly hugs ajmitch you know you're still my best virtual buddy ;) ajmitch: are you from nz ? yes course he is ;) i'll be finished uni in 6-7 months ... then i will have a job(cash) ... and i love snowboarding ... so i'll have to visit the ski slops of nz and meet you next year =) heh, fun night night chillywilly dcmwai (~chatzilla@219.95.162.156) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20030505]" Sacha (~Sacha@dialup-196-27.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). mdean (~mike@CPE-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dcmwai (~chatzilla@219.95.162.156) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port11.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left #gnuenterprise ("I like core dumps"). derek: Remember the meeting is on today 11st June at 00:00 (GMT+8) jcater: I'm here to tell you that the meeting is on today 11st June at 00:00 (GMT+8) Something was happen to Josh yesterday and make him can't attend the meeting yesterday. And He say sorry for that. :) See you tonight 7 hours more Now is 17:12 siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-206-170.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. morning morning siesel hi wtg wtg: /me read in the backlog, that you talked about how a .gfd file could be displayed in a browser tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4" Using Javascript this is no problem, there is already a forms client written in javascript working together with appserver to access the database flax07 (~flax07@81.5.147.130) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) siesel: So that is possible How should the server be configured? (apache and appserv) flax07 (~flax07@81.5.147.130) joined #gnuenterprise. the comunication between appserver and the forms client in the webbrowser is using XMLRPC, which can just connect to the same host/port where the web page was downloaded, so there are two possible configurations: 1. load forms client + gfd's from apache and connect to appserver via xmlrpc proxy 2. load forms client + gfd's directly from appserver ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. wb ra3vat :) dcmwai: the last version of the javascript forms client can be found at www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/jsclient/, at the moment the gfd parser is broken, but it is possible to pre-generate webpages with gnue-designer, which include the jsclient code its fully compatible to the standart forms client, except, that its missing dropdowns, date/time masks and multiple row support cf. your idea (backlog) about using appserver as an "possible" backend for database access, there is an php client for appserver which just needs to be updated to the newest Appserver API last but not least, ?????? Oh that is real good options about the communication I would like the 1 way. It make the Configuration More Extensible but more difficult. But something I'm not sure, How is the DB communicating? Anyway, I'm going home :) And going offline now. Will be here at 00:00 (GMT+8) See you soon siesel the javascript client sends login/create cursor/fetch dataset etc requests to appserver... cu siesel: so Javascript and appserver is as a bridge to the DB... yep. Action: dcmwai still here ... because of siesel siesel: Will that make the appserver performance drop? (If say I've 30 user :) you mean switching between configuration 1 and 2. ? or communication via XMLRPC siesel: Will you be here 5 hours after now? comminucation vis XMLRPC yes, I can be here Then please be here :) Thank You I really have to go now ;) CU ok, CU. dcmwai (~chatzilla@219.95.162.156) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20030505]" ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M1259P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello hi Arturas hi Jan :) Sacha (~Sacha@dialup-196-33.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: Sacha -> SachaZzzz jcater_ (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: SachaZzzz -> SachaS Nick change: SachaS -> Sacha Nick change: Sacha -> SachaZzz jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)) Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater jcater_ (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jcater' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. jcater_ kicked from #gnuenterprise by jcater: jcater dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.31.181) joined #gnuenterprise. wb dcmwai hello siesel You are always here? Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. not so regulary at the moment, because I'm quite busy this month Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Bye :)" In normal cases I'll join #gnue a bit later, i.e. 20:00-24:00 CEST CEST is central right how many GMT? (relative? GMT+1 I think oh oh then is 7 hours in different... i'm 11 here you there shouls be 4pm :) So you are in the same time zone as Taiwan, Hongkong, China Yes, I'm from Malaysia :) a relatively small country compare to China ;) but a big country compared to singapur ;) siesel: hehe... I amd looking for something... is that a standart way to do a business (I menat a standart way of processing the data in Gune or something electronically.) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. I don't think that there is any "standart" way, as we haven't started the package part of gnue yet i.e. standart business rules still have to be defined siesel: so There aren't any... Ok Now we can have our own way :)... Oh siesel, are you a developer? yes. reinhard, johannes and me are working on the gnue appserver dcmwai: my gf bought a proton satria xli ... made in malaysia ... it was a sweet car ... untill she crashed it =( oh. Who actually start Gune? who have the idea and how you all people gather? wtg: What do you think about it... ability to crash ? :) thats a question you should ask reinhard, jamest or derek Very... Soft (the car is too soft) the car was great ... my gf's driving out though =) there is a history page on the website that does a pretty good job on the history s/out/ain't jcater: btw, did you test openoffice 1.1beta2 ? I did test it on Windows... it was great no I'm still on beta1 that's on my TODO list which is not shrinking hello jcater morning Action: siesel is trying to get the jdk detected for debian packaged oo 1.1b2, but it don't work here is Might Night.. :) oop... midnight :) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.31.181) left irc: Remote closed the connection dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.31.181) joined #gnuenterprise. hum.. sorry disc btw, dcmwai are you native malasian, or chinese or.. I'm a Chinese :) cool. what dialect are you speaking? typical Business man (well... Just see the profit that other people don't see ) hehe Cantonese, Mandrain nd sometime hakar :) bu cuo bu cuo, I just speak mandarin and some kejia ke jia is Ha kar... bu cuo, bu cao? what is that? sorry, I meant min nan hua siesel: did you tell me that you are a Chinese as well.. no, I'm sinologist Woo... that is interesting.... Very Very Interesting... it seem to be that joining Open source is really a very good steps for me an health as well... :) I seldom meet people that is ... (how to say) bad or not kind.... in Opensource... maybe there is a real reason behind.... There aren't any profit confilct @_@ :) no, but in this channel there are sometimes other conflicts, f.e. anti java flamewars ;) I'm one of them... Just no flame.. :) I don't know why but I don't really like Java (no flame...) it seem to be always slow... java isn't bad, but its bound to sun and nothing can be compared with python why python? (sorry, I don't really know that languages...) jflechtner (~jafgon@dhcp024-210-188-138.woh.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hum.. Josh is finally here Everybody... jflechtner <--- is Josh :) no language is as easy and as good as python to programm hi Josh Nick change: jflechtner -> jafgon hello dcmwai, derek, jcater .. siesel: is one of their appserv c hello developer as well is derek around? derek: ....You there ... revDeke (www-data@209.234.155.8) joined #gnuenterprise. speak of the devil Action: revDeke looks around... where is chillywilly ? right here who is revDeke ... wassup? derek revDeke == derek woo... I see. so is everybody here? he's youth pastor of his church or something and aren't you ordained or something revDeke? or something... im here yo yeah im a licensed minister so you can marry people? ;) yip is everyone here and have time to talk? have you done any weddings yet? I thought that was only legal in Utah? marrying multiple people What ... revDeke ... is.... ...??? wooo if not i have to jam as i have full schedule today everyone's here josh is here I'm here so is chan yes :) revDeke: was there some reason you were asking for me? or can I go do my work ;) before havoc beats me ;) hahah you can do your work... ok so whats the agenda jafgon: Let start... Action: revDeke is sorry to rush things but i have under 1 hour Action: dcmwai know that >_< what i want to discuss mroe than anything is where to go from here it seems like there is plenty of 'willingness' on all sides indeed item 1 for me is are you willing to assign copyright to FSF on all future works? im game for that item 2 is are you willing to break all NOLA compatiablity and dependencies if the answer to 1 and 2 are yes thats half the battle in working together :) item 2 is a little tricky :) I'll do that and provided them a upgrade path if possible dcmwai: let me phrase it this way.. .how many nola customers do you currently have that you need to upgrade? i am willing to break for a better solution but not just for the sake of breaking if the answer is none, then well its silly to fixate on it I'm not sure... but from the download ... I'm thinking there are only about 10~50 if the answer is 1 or more, depending on the number will depend on amount of time needed Action: revDeke would rather see us build things right and not be 'constrainted' by legacy (that none of us are using) and offer 'services' to help people upgrade gregs_ (~greg@195.239.64.141) joined #gnuenterprise. I my self is using aria and nola in the company so either way... the upgrade path is important to me ... Just to do it manually or automatically :) i.e. have the first guy wanting to upgrade maybe pay a gnue consultant to do the upgrade and have the resulting work GPL'ed for others ok dcmwai then i would say you have upgrade path and if you feel strongly provide the upgrade scripts Action: revDeke is willing to help you jafgon: i think we HAVE to break it their inventory, invoicing etc is WAY too print shop specific that would require me to fully understand your future vision the HR and Base Accounting (ledgers) we might be able to not gut too severely It is really Bad way... to customize :( in which i am wnating to do :) well the gnue vision is pasted all over our website wait. their account also have a problem... gnue is a framework so business analysts can customize and not need programmers opening and closing isn't there and isn't possible to implement think SAP or Peoplesoft instead of Quickbooks or Peachtree that said SAP and Peoplesoft deliver 'base' packages i will check out both solutions i see gnue-sb as being a 2-tier small/medium enterprise base package ... so you would get basic invoicing that works 80% of your needs then a non programmer can modify forms/tables as necessary to meet the other 20% That would be good enough. for the vertical industry you are in follow thr rules of 80- 20 :) yes also we are about keep it simple stupid for gnue-sb we want something quickly not something perfect