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<Sacha> gnue common question: did you use a python xml data binding library for xml-object and object-xml translation ?
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<Sacha> found two python tools: xml_pickle, xml_objectify
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<ra3vat> hello btami
<btami> hello ra3vat
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<ra3vat> btami: had a nice i18n issue with pgsql recoding and forms under win32
<btami> ?
<ra3vat> in yesterday's log
<btami> is it solved?
<ra3vat> <ra3vat> if i use simpleQuery to select some data, recode to windows encoding works
<ra3vat> <ra3vat> if i use F8-F9 it does not
<btami> hmm
<ra3vat> not sure what cause it to behave so
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<reinhard> roflmao
<reinhard> http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php
<reinhard> is a quiz that results in a statement which os you are most similar to
<reinhard> if you don't answer all questions, the result is
<reinhard> "GNU/Hurd: you are somehow incomplete"
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<dsmith> chillywilly: You around?
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<ra3vat> Vee2d2: hello
<ra3vat> i was playing with gnue-sb and gather some info for quich fixes
<ra3vat> quick
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<siesel> hi all
<wtg> hello siesel
<siesel> hi wtg
<wtg> up to anything in particular today ?
<siesel> no, today I should use designer, and create some new forms
<siesel> what's about you?
<wtg> coolies ... i'm about to go to bed ... it's 1:30 in the morning in aus and i'm getting up at 6 to go to the gym
<siesel> hmm, then I wish you a good night :)
<wtg> =) thanks
<siesel> gym = sports? 
<wtg> gym = tread mil, exersice bike, rowing machine
<wtg> gym = weights :)
<siesel> wow, so you are the muscle man ;)
<wtg> OOOOOOoooo no
<wtg> i'm 110kg of stored energy ... if you know what i mean =)
<siesel> yeah...
Action: siesel still have to store some energie to become that powerful ;)
<siesel> its a pitty, its quite difficult to get donuts here ;)
<ra3vat> :)
<wtg> =) well it ain't here ... and i eat more then my fair share too 
<siesel> wtg, where from australia do you come from? Sydney, ... Wellington,.. Melborne...?
<wtg> Toowoomba ... it's 2hr west of Brisbane
<wtg> in Queensland
<siesel> Last week I saw a cool Ossi movie about 3 half aborigines half white children walking the whole way from a camp in the north to central australia.
<wtg> but soon i'll be moving 10hr north to move in with my folks in the sticks
<siesel> in the sticks?
<siesel> what does that mean? 
<wtg> outback ... middle of no where ... 'insert any desolate slang here'
<siesel> oh, I got it
<wtg> how about yourself ... are you part of the american contingent?
<siesel> Are there still stories about backpacker murders there?
<wtg> i haven't heard about any in a while no
<wtg> siesel: what was the name of the movie you saw do you remember ?
<wtg> later siesel ... 4 hours of sleeping left
<wtg> afk
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<jbailey> Hey everyone - Come to Canada: Now you can go to a gay marriage with 15 grams of marijuana in your pocket! ;P
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<jamest> jbailey: my lifes dream at last realized!  How do I become a citizen of canada!?!
<jamest> ooooo, found it
<jamest> 1) get stoned
<jamest> 2) buy a yak
<jamest> 3) explore alternative lifestyles
<jamest> hmmmm, i thought I would have to memorize the script of Strange Brew too
<jamest> but it's not listed
<jbailey> 2) yak?
<jbailey> We have yaks in Canada?
<Stoke> nah, just prove that you can drink a 6pack of it and still use a yak
<jbailey> IIRC, the Beaver is the national animal.
<jcater> 4) learn to build igloos for housing
<jbailey> My dad was selling igloo making kits a couple of years ago. ;)
<Stoke> yeah, lots of thos skyscraper igloos downtown toronto
<jbailey> Hey - it's even warm here this week.
<jbailey> Not like the 35 degrees Vancouver had last week, though.
<jamest> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/RenStimpy2000/Lyrics.html
<jamest> scroll down to Kilted Yaksmen Anthem 
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<jbailey> Is that safe to open at work? =)
<jcater> depends on where you work
<jcater> it's ren and stimpy song lyrics :)
<jbailey> Ah that's fine.
<jbailey> Words are always fine.  It's the big naked people that are a problem.
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> I prefer the more petite naked people myself
<lupo> jcater: w o m e n ?
<jcater> s/people/women
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<lupo> savannah anonymous cvs doesn't work
<lupo> their ramdisk is full :)
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<jbailey> That's funny. =)
<lupo> what
<jbailey> That the ramdisk is full.
<jbailey> Savannah hasn't been staying up enough recently to have that problem! =)
<lupo> lol
<jbailey> (There's some replacement hardware waiting to go in)
<lupo> ah
<lupo> how do you know?
<jbailey> I still do some GNU sysadminning.
<jbailey> Nowhere near as much as I used to, though.
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<lupo> you sysadmin for GNU?
<lupo> didn't know
<jbailey> Yeah.
<jbailey> That's how I got involved with these cretins.
<lupo> i'm fsf europe volunteer
<jbailey> Ah lovely.
<jbailey> I've always been surprised that the FSFe folks didn't want to tie into the GNU systems better.
<jbailey> Loic was interested, the rest didn't seem to be.
<jbailey> It means that the systems typically thought of as 'gnu' are all FSF systems, which is sad.
<lupo> hm
<lupo> what do you mean with "GNU systems" ?
<jbailey> Well, fencepost is considered the GNU shell server.  monty-python is considered the GNU mail server.  subversions is the GNU cvs server.
<lupo> ah
<jbailey> gnudist/gnuftp the GNU web server and ftp server.
<jbailey> They're all tied together with Kerberos.
<jbailey> They'll all be in the same ldap user config one day.
<jbailey> But it's onyl FSF servers in that mix.
<jbailey> I think that the FSFe and FSF india servers should all be participating in that.
<lupo> i see
<lupo> personally i prefer a more local structure
<jbailey> The problem with local structures are that it's very hard to break the GNU==FSF mentality.
<jbailey> And I think that's harming GNU alot right now.
<lupo> regional FSFs should integrate, but not build an admin cathedral
<lupo> sure?
<jbailey> But in an admin cathedral, resources are shared and pooled.
<jbailey> Like a new FSF regional group could start up and know that they have access to shared 'GNU'ish resources.
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<kreiszner> does the +woody in http://.....+woody1_i386.deb mean unstable.
<jbailey> No.
<jbailey> It means that the package has been compiled for woody and the version number selected to avoid conflict with other versions that might be in unstable/testing, etc.
<kreiszner> k
<kreiszner> do you have a feature in the forms environment when you are  insertin data
<kreiszner> that you can use a 2 key cmd to insert a date or time
<kreiszner> today's date or time
<jcater> hmmm
<jcater> no
<jcater> but that's not a bad idea
<kreiszner> Openoffice doesn't have such a capability as far as I know and 
<kreiszner> MS Access and Excel do and it is extremely useful
<kreiszner> It saves a lot of time
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<reinhard> siesel: you lucky bastard
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<jcater> lol
<jcater> I'm Apple DOS 3.1
<jcater> roflmao
<jcater> at the bottom
<jcater> "Or, if you ended up with GNU/HURD it 
<jcater>  means you didn't answer all the questions. "
<jbailey> =)
<jbailey> Oh hey, RH9 has Apache2.
<jbailey> Nice to see one distro finally using it. =)
<kreiszner> jbailey: have you been running RH on a machine and what are your impressions other than Apache
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<lupo_> what is the appropriate word for saying that you make a line of code a comment (ie. put a "#" as first character)
<jbailey> kreiszner: My impression is that RedHat still sucks. =)
<jbailey> But that's from an incredibly bias's Debian Developper.
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<btami> hi all
<btami> jcater: designer doesn't start, ImportError: No module named events.Events
<btami>  in designer/forms/Instance.py line 41
<jcater> hmmm
<jcater> let me cvs add that
<jcater> :)
<btami> thanks :)
<jcater> ok, committed
<kreiszner> jbailey I agree but I am having a heck of a time getting debian installed.
<kreiszner> When you change hostname "hostname thismachine.thisdomain" in Debian does it stay the same after a reboot.
<kreiszner> it doesn't for me in RH 7.3
<ra3vat> anyone could quick fix gnue-sb?
<btami> jcater: with Tools/Run Form i get KeyError: <gnue.forms.GFFormGFForm instance at .....>
<btami>  in gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/UIdiver.py line 258
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> that's a work in progress
<btami> ok :)
<jcater> (I actually accidentally committed some unfinished stuff earlier :(
<btami> ok, i'm just trying new designer features
<btami> and i like it wery much
<jcater> if you are testing, then maybe I should send you my outstanding TODO list
<jcater> so if you see stuff that's not on my list, you can let me know
<btami> ok
<jcater> what's your email?
<btami> btami at freemail dot hu
<btami> got it
<jcater> ok
<jcater> I hope it makes sense
<jcater> it is a brain dump
<siesel> kreizner: you have to create a file: /etc/hostname which should contain the hostname
<jbailey> kreiszner: Did you change the hostname in /etc/hostname?
<jbailey> siesel: Oh hey.
<jbailey> Perhaps I should catch up on the logs first. =)
<jbailey> (oh god, I just pulled a Derek, didn't I?)
<jcater> no
<jcater> you acknowledged someone else answered already
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<kreiszner> siesel: I changed ever instance of localhost.localdomain on one machine to get a change in RH 7.3. Needless to say it didn't like what I did. RH 7.3didn't have a /etc/hostname file originally but I finally put one in.
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<siesel> you mean changed in the /etc/hosts file?
<kreiszner> siesel: no I mean add the file /etc/hostname then add the hostname to that file
<ra3vat> designer still does not start, is that for me only?
<ra3vat> DB000:   File "/home/ds/cvs/gnue_pure/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/base/tools/TriggerEditor.py", line 212, in _generateName
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<ra3vat> DB000:     name = '%s.%s' % (parent.name, parent._validTriggers[trigger.type.upper()])
<ra3vat> DB000: KeyError: NEXTRECORD
<ra3vat> it may be old wx version i have but 2 days ago it worked
<jbailey> kreiszner: You're talking Debian or RH7.3?
<jbailey> kreiszner: siesel and I are talked about Debian.
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<siesel> ra3vat: newest designer from cvs works for me, what did you do to raise that error
<siesel> oh, sorry, i see, a startup error
<btami> ra3vat: cvs designer needs wxPython 2.4, you have older?
<kreiszner> jbailey I have rh7.3 but I was asking how Debian works. Apparently both have similarities.
<kreiszner> I was wondering if it was easier in Debian.
<kreiszner> I once had a Corel Linux (debian)box setup as a file and printserver
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<siesel> no using wxPython2.4 and running fine, the only drawback is that it segfaults if i add more than two fields+labels by drag'n'drop from the schema viewer
<kreiszner> that worked great but they never upgraded it and I needed to use large > 2G file
<ra3vat> hm, it starts by itself but not with my form
<ra3vat> the same error if i try to open the form
<siesel> seems like you use an unsupported trigger
<ra3vat> thanks, will try to find and remove
<btami> night all
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<Vee2d2> ra3vat: what fix do you have for gnue-sb?
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<Vee2d2> heya chillywilly
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<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> brb
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<derek> holy moses
<derek> designer has zoom in zoom out feature
<derek> that is just KICK BUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<chillywilly> w00t!
<jamest> so cvs head is working 
<jamest> ?
<jamest> nevermind, it was something I messed up
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<derek> the best answer to that bbspot quiz
<derek> If I end up Windows ME someone is going to be hurting.
<derek> wtf: im windows 98?
<Vee2d2> I feared that question believing that if I chose that option I would be given winME.. =/
<Vee2d2> ended up being AppleDos 3.1
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<derek> bbiab
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