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that should open a new window, with size 610,170 at 200,300 the url of the window is populated from form entries (I think) which are access via DOM: document...value but it could be that it is just working for IE siesel: But the problem is that it don'r respond at all suspect problem is On This line + document.main.category.value + \',\'cal\' I'm not sure if this is right.... seems like the quoting is wrong: it should be window.open('lookupitemcomposite.php?name=itemcode&&inventorylocationid=' + ... or is it embbeded in php code? then only the part ... category.value + \', should be ...category.value, ... I would recommend to test in mozilla and open the javascript console YEs it is.. oh .. javascript console or even VENKMANN, the javascript debugger :) dcmwai (~chatzilla@219.95.155.102) left irc: Remote closed the connection dcmwai (~chatzilla@219.95.155.102) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel: Sorry mozilla was close... siesel: and I don't have javascript debugger here :( any hints? is that side remotly accessible? I could test for you. you can download and install js debugger via XPI from http://www.hacksrus.com/~ginda/venkman/venkman-0.9.77.xpi as stated before, seems like the incorrect part is the quote after document.main.category.value. It should work if you remove it IT work but giving me the wrong valur IT work but giving me the wrong value after I get the xpi where I run it? have to close mozilla again :) :) siesel: Thank you .. it work and the Work aroun is.... document.main.category.value + \'\',\'cal\', dpkg --configure -a Why like that also can one... ... my head is screach... erp hello Vee2d2 hmmm, quite strange that it needs that dobble quote ?:)? brb dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" http://hackles.org/strips/cartoon315.png siesel: Thank you anyway... Well, Time to Off Office :) reinhard: lol reinhard: lolo Bye bye lah dcmwai (~chatzilla@219.95.155.102) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20030505]" dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Remote closed the connection dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. Sacha_away (~Sacha@dialup-196-123.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Sacha (~Sacha@dialup-196-165.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo_ (~lupo@pD954296F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. ds_work (~user@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.j-walk.com/blog/docs/conference.htm those nigerian spammers :) ds_work (~user@mail.actron.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection ds_work (~user@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rofl # A round table discussion: Is email now Nigeria's top export? heh :) "It was a genuine pleasure to meet other honorable business persons such as myself." - Isa Ahmed :) whoa. koffice 1.3beta word processor has a pdf import filter Action: jamest hopes that means I could edit pdf files yeah, works great ! you all use kde? Action: Sacha uses gnome Action: Sacha has kdelibs installed for a couple of kde apps nope: gnome2.2 + some kde packages (kbabel, kworldclock...) aha lots of kde here avoided kword though as it was really buggy this feature would make me take a 2nd look Action: reinhard is still wondering what would be the way to go putting free software on the desktop gnome, gnome-office (abiword, gnumieric, evolution) kde, koffice... I run kde/openoffice.org setups fvwm2, openoffice openoffice? yip jamest, you should post a 'koffice can import PDF' to one of the openoffice mailing list, I think that they will try to make an PDF import filter too :) Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) left irc: "brb" OpenOffice We used it all the time. Works great. (but slow starting) siesel: can it really do it though? I'm just looking at the feature list openoffice is great but users are wierd about it Yeah, what good does it do to import pdf files? What can you do with them? ds_work: i'd like to be able to cut and paste pages in/out of them as that is the main reason I still have to buy acrobat Ok. Sounds good. reinhard: if you're in a biz setting kde/openoffice isn't hard at all i maintain a 20 person call center here in town using ltsp/kde/openoffice so people grumbled about the setup at first but the owner didn't like the price of the MS Office licences, and likes the idea that he's terminals are cheep, old computers with few moving parts jamest: I tried it with a simple pdf file, directly after your post. now the users have adapted and get along just fine Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Import is no problem, but the layout isn't 100% the same. here at math I have a bit more issues as lots of people won't give OO the time of day they NEED excel so that they can do complexe stuff like =a1+c1 complex or quatro pro made may day when one of the was telling me about some problems they were having with openoffice (they were pushing for excel or qpro install) i walked down and they were actually running qpro off the network which reinforced my point that wrt the spreadsheet 90-something % of the time they'd not know the difference :) heh.. and the problem was =a1+c1? :D i don't recall the problem i know people get wierd when it's not excell I know of one install where the sysadmin gets complaints from the users about OO the complaint....it's too generic my understanding is they can't give more detail than that and here people refuse to "learn" it my only complaint is that the windows version is more stable than the Linux/x86 version and that it takes forever to start up on slower hw.. when my wife worked as the dept office manager/accountant she converted all the dept accounting spreadsheets to OO mainly for it's stability as the qpro is buggy as hell jamest: I tried some more PDF files and got some strange results, images f.e. where turn around by 180 degree :), so you should stay with acrobat for a while siesel: this 1.3beta? and can you edit the pdf after import? its debian/unstable (1:1.2.90-20030609-1). changelog says: Fresh CVS pull (between releases 1.3-beta1 and 1.3-beta2 all parts of the pdf file are converted to frames, i.e. editable hmm, what a pity, it doesn't load embedded fonts, i.e. all unicode codetables (F000.pdf ...) won't be displayed properly but it's a start! Action: jamest is still excited jamest: thanks for your comments jamest: btw, have you ever autocreated openoffice files? All files I create make openoffice segfault. jamest: when will openoffice save the documents in xml? siesel: you mean from scratch? Sacha: the 1.1 beta does that jamest: thanks. not yet debian unstable yet :) originally it have xml export which actually created a directory :(, the latest beta claims flat xml file export which I hope means 1 file per, um, file? :) yeah it's horribly slow though to save to flat xml in all fairness (we're 1/2 converted from MS Office to OpenOffice) OO Spread is not nearly feature complete compared to MS Excel as OO Writer is to MS Word of course, like jamest said, most users don't need more than =A1+B2 for 90-something% they won't know i can't think of a single thing the office does here that it can't do I thought I read that oo files are gziped collections of files. Like each image is a seprarate file. And that the format of these files is xml. Is that only in 1.1 ? but then we don't do the complex data reporting dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left #gnuenterprise ("Вышел из XChat"). ds_work: no, that's true but it takes significantly longer to save a large file in flat xml vs it's gzipped version Action: jcater guesses it gzips in memory before doing disk access, or something jamest: the biggest issue I've had with all my users (even the 90% "simple" ones) is they are all old-skewl spreadsheet users who use +A1+A2 instead of =A1+A2 OO Spread does not support that version of formulas i don't have that issue here jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-083-220.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "work" The only issue I had with oo spreadsheet was that some formatting information got lost when converting to excel, like headers/footers when printing. Action: jamest shudders that reminds me of a current issue I'm having w/ excel and MS Office XP it HATES our primary printer and refuses to do landscape mode what little I've dug up on usenet indicates it's a MS "Ain't our problem." vs HP "Ain't our problem" issue which means it's a Jamest "Guess it's my problem" Action: jamest loves those jamest: yes, from scratch: I've tried to create openoffice files with reports siesel: And? openoffice segfaults Bah I build .sxw files and tried that flat xml thing too, but it both make OO crash i've never tried it IIRC theres a script in gnue that build partial files tables of config values from an app i think jcater was playing around with it to save documentation time siesel: documents or spreadsheets? documents: I would have tried csv import if I would need a special kind of table first column 3 rows, second column 2 rows, etc. Action: siesel will have a look at jcaters script jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. That's the kind of thing that really need to be working. It should be dirt simple to intergrate oo with other things. It should be really simple to automate it too. Like using oo as a filter to convert from one doc format to another. Action: ds_work starts waving hands and begins telling people what to do hmm, jasons attribut script works great. Seems like I should do some bug squashing in my own code :) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Sacha (~Sacha@dialup-196-165.wasp.net.au) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)) Sacha__ (~Sacha@dialup-196-165.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Sacha__ -> SachaS lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) left irc: siesel: of course, you expect anything less from our newest caterAI 3.2 he is the result of 20+ years of selective input (pr0n, donuts, caffeen, a carrot) rofl Action: ds_work reaches for more cafeen Action: siesel is in the process of realizing, that the carrot is the missing part on the way to self-evolution and AIdom jbailey: one question: did you make some progress with switching gnue packages to cdbs? siesel: Yes - but I was waiting for Colin to commit last nights changes before I finished it. cool. hmm how can I find out what process is bound to a port? netstat -ap thanks johannes_ (~johannes@M1258P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. 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"no, i don't think they, as the laptop user, will have issues with this." Mr_You (~rouzer@gso88-208-146.triad.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. howdy rootin tootin GNUers :D If you're tootin', you should rince the beans first. Solves most of the problem. Some cookbooks tell you to cook in the bean water - that's just cruel. mdean (~mike@CPE-65-28-72-76.kc.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) rofl ToyMan (~stuq@65-73-213-153.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/screenshots/pointofsale-1.png just fyi, in case anyone needs a POS system in the near future I got one in the works jcater: i was wondering: arent there books who tell you how to, for example, do a international POS or inventory or human resources etc I don't know i dont know either Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) might be worth to do some searching I need this in workable form within a week or two so 0.0.1 will have to be based on my existing knowledge :)( jcater: not much time for searching then. Action: jcater has done a lot with POS though and everything is dynamic the subtotal fields at the bottom the columns displayed etc i have a book: referencemodels for industrial business processes. a.-w.scheer, springer verlag. around 800 pages also, my program doesn't define it's own database schema scheer - a german professor, has a company called scheer-something and SAP based "some" business logic (eg database tables) on those inputs it expects an inventory/financial system to already be in place Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. (like GNUe SB, etc) Action: jcater figured it would be a lot more flexible that way yes i understand chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-200-152.wi.rr.com) left irc: "boot new kernel" jcater do you write your forms by hand or do you use "your" designer :) ? to date, mostly by hand but all the recent changes in cvs are because I've promised myself I will "take my own medicine" (i.e., use designer exclusively for my new forms) cool. haha jcater are you working in a university? no ot :) chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-200-152.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. good night Nick change: SachaS -> SachaZzzz jcater: Still there? depends will saying "yes" involve more work on my part? Maybe. More work on my part. I want to beg you to let me split GNUe into different CVS modules. =) someon (www-data@209.234.155.8) joined #gnuenterprise. Then I'll beg jamest. And we can gang up on Derek if he waffles again. =) you mean have /cvsroot/gnue/forms/, /cvsroot/gnue/reports/, etc? instead of cvsroot/gnue/gnue/* ? Question... has anyone that is working on GEAS looked at using XMPP as well (ie. Doing Alert Messages to Users currently logged on to a jabber server) someon: can you explain more? Action: reinhard doesn't know much about jabber) jcater: PRetty much. So :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gnue co {reports,forms} etc would work. jbailey: he and I have discussed that in the past what's the advantage? (we were actually for it, iirc) but what's the advantages? I wish savannah supported per-module user permissions... that would rock Well I'm thinking of things like an overdue order which should be brought to the attention of a sales rep.... If the order fill by date is < current date, then send XMPP to the account rep to have them follow up (real-time) jcater: The advantage is that it's easier to get just the component you feel like working with. someon: personally, i would prefer a email sent in a cron job or something like that From a technical side, it's easier to do branching, tagging and stuff for the whole module than for a directory reinhard: Jabber is XML based Messaging and Presence Notifications. (XMPP = XML Messaging and Presence Protocol) someon: it will be possible to use python triggers/procedures in appserver, so you could add that feature yourself Action: someon is not a programmer i think what someon is after is some sort of timer function like while _nobody_ is doing something with gnue at the moment appserver recognizes that an order is overdue and does something did i understand that correct? Could also be used with current stock levels, eg. if Sales Person puts in an order for a discontinued Item, send XMPP to Sales Supervisor to clairfy. Yes, Timed Escalations would be a good thing, I think Though they can be done easily with cron jobs.... i think we would rather go the way of cron jobs however as we support user-defined code (like siesel said) you can do whatever you want send mail, print some form, whatever jbailey: I'm not opposed to it, though it requires more steps for me when I go to develop :) but I think long term, it's something we'd have to do anyway as the project grows jamest: you around? and of course send XMPP (in case python supports that, what I'm quite sure of) Action: jbailey sharpens a stick Action: jbailey pokes jamest with it. stuq_ (~stuq@170-215-247-56.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. i'm fine w/ it more than fine in fact just make sure no one has outstanding commits they might get "upset" oooooo when you doing this? jcater: Not so bad, really - They just need to make a new checkout and cp the files over. like I said just make sure no one has outstanding commits they might get "upset" jamest: Could do it now, but I'll do it whenever you guys say. =) that's fine w/ me Action: jbailey pokes reinhard. Do you have outstanding commits? i have a list of kerap I need to dig into form and look at over the weekend Action: reinhard didn't touch the code for weeks :(( maybe common too Action: jcater thwaps reinhard but I won't start until sat what's the problem?!? Lesseee. Who else actually commits things,. btami Action: jbailey looks around. jan I didn't know jan did. What timezone does btami work on? dunno same as me or 1 hour later that is he's at 22:50 or 23:50 not sure Hmm. Action: jbailey pokes siesel siesel: What about you. You have anything outstanding? however, if you were to set a notify flag in the order (eg. notify SalesRepN) it would be nice to have it send an XMPP message to the person (or group of people) that the field asks to notify... man, we need a spam filter on ash ToyMan (~stuq@65-73-213-153.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-222-79.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami (~btami@3e70d731.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi btami you have uncommitted changes in gnue? no you felt that we talked about you? ;-) no :) siesel (jan@xdsl-213-168-116-107.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey will restructure cvs and wants to make sure that nobody has pending changes ok my tree is full of changes, but I don't want to apply unicode fixes before 0.5.1 jbailey: go ahead Action: siesel has to do something against xchat, disconnecting automaticly use irssi? ;) apt-get install irssi-snapshot ds_work (~user@mail.actron.com) left #gnuenterprise. snapshot? why run a snapshot? what cool stuff does the snapshot have? dunno, I just like to run snapshot versions So next part of the conversation. What the modules should be called... I tend to like to name the modules like the tarballs they will eventually become. So my inclination would be gnue-forms, etc... But I don't have that as a strong preference. the gnue- seems redundant Yeah, it is. The reason I tend to prefer that is that the default name that is given by CVS is the name of the module. I'd lean more towards forms/, reports/, etc the *unix* name of the tool but that's just my opinion When in my Programming/cvstree directory, it would make 'forms', 'designer', mixed in with 'hurd', 'tar', etc. you're such a tool I'm not strongly tied to it haha Action: chillywilly ties them all to it but in my directory, I'd have cvs/gnue/gnue-forms cvs/gnue/gnue-reports etc I dunno i do similar to jcater cvs/math/module 'kay. 2 without, a random opinion by cw, and no for's. i am for gnue- cvs/personal/repo :) reinhard, siesel, btami? I think gnue- is lame Ah, one for. more random comments from cw. lol so gnue- it is then just to piss off chilly I feel like an auctioneer... =) i'm not strong about however i have currently nor i'm i stong about my preference prj/gnue you guys are lame prj/matritsa lame lame lame prj/style-guide LAME then i would have prj/forms prj/appserver prj/matritsa etc. i'd mkdir -j cvs/gnue (much like jbailey i guess) what's matrista? and check out only in there but i don't care Action: jbailey looks up with mkdir -j does I think if you break it up you should have a gnue-all modules that just has alias or whatever -p maybe? &forms &reports etc.