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<Vee2d2> weeeeeeeeeeee
<chillywilly> calm down mr.
<chillywilly> it's way too early in the morning to be that excited
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<jamest> :)
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<Vee2d2> whew new KC
<Vee2d2> a wopper of a KC at that
<derek> rofl
<derek> i think i said maybe 20 lines all week
<derek> and 5 of them end up in the KC that is 8 lines 
<derek> that is too funny
<jamest> we need to release
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<Vee2d2> 'sup jc man
<jcater> yo
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<jcater> bleh
<Vee2d2> hate them suckers.. 
<Vee2d2> mine lasted for about 2weeks
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<dcmwai> jcater: you there?
<jamest> he's around
<dcmwai> hello jamest
<dcmwai> I'm here to talk about the new GL schema..
<Vee2d2> oh yea, I forgot to mention you are aware of a closing problem in aria's GL stuff.. 
Action: Vee2d2 was too busy revealing other problems.. ;)
<dcmwai> hello Vee2d2 Good Morning :), Yes that is the problem
<jcater> hey dcmwai
<dcmwai> hello jcater, 
<dcmwai> Good morning
<dcmwai> jcater: do you ntice that the GL Schema that arias/nola use can't be close?
<jcater> that should be easily remedied
<Vee2d2> sutpid IE.. 
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<dcmwai> jcater: What will be the solution?
<dcmwai> brb
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<chillywilly> https://secure.merchantcommerce.net/PLabels/merchantcommerce/ <-- that's some funny shit
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<psu> w00t
<Vee2d2> psu: definately
<Vee2d2> chillywilly: ?
<chillywilly> what?
<chillywilly> you don't think their web page is funny
<Vee2d2> what's funny about that url?
<chillywilly> click here ==>
<chillywilly> it's just very poor
<Vee2d2> yea, I guess so.. ;)
<chillywilly> and consequently funny
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<Mr_You> hi everyone
<Vee2d2> woo, Mr You
<psu> hi Mr_You
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<Vee2d2> wb guys
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<dcmwai> Vee2d2: jcater say anything while I was away?
<Vee2d2> was just as much yours as it was ours.. ;)
<revDeke> its not the size of your cousin its the content that counts ;)
<revDeke> jcater: is all the stuff you are checking into gnue-sb basically arias stuff?
<psu> well, I suppose this *is* the first ever 100% revDeke KC
<psu> so that must make it special in some way ;-)
<Vee2d2> revDeke: system/ answers some questions I had brewing for things down the road.. ;)
<revDeke> as it's starting to look a real mess
<dcmwai> revDeke: Yes it is
<revDeke> arias/ has a forms dir
<revDeke> yet we are doing a gnue-sb/ar/ dir
<revDeke> etc
<dcmwai> oh
<revDeke> we need to decide one way or another
<dcmwai> what are the ways?
<revDeke> to me it should be gnue/ar
<revDeke> and there shouldnt be an arias/forms/
<revDeke> as in my eyes to a degree the concept of arias dies
<revDeke> that is there arias is a web version of gnue-sb
<revDeke> its a branding thing
<Vee2d2> dcmwai: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/gnue-public.log is a good bookmark to check while you're gone
<revDeke> the other issue i have is we were originally going to be non modular in nature
<revDeke> not to say we have veered from that
<dcmwai> Vee2d2: Thank... I'm just too lazy :)
<revDeke> but it looks like we are bundling things fairly modular (which might be a good thing)
<Vee2d2> well.. 
<revDeke> i guess i just get nervous with massive cvs changes and adds
<revDeke> when no discussion on the mailing list :(
<dcmwai> revDeke: please... be cool :)
<revDeke> my fault for not being able to be here though i suppose as historically most development has happened via irc
<dcmwai> revDeke: These change is just tempory
<dcmwai> Vee2d2: ... sis revDeke know who am I ??
<dcmwai> s/sis/did
<revDeke> well have to run... was hoping to catch jason, but looks like he is probably heads down
<revDeke> will try to check in tonight some
<dcmwai> see you soon revDeke
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<jcater> revDeke: if you read logs, there is no long-term arias/ directory
<jcater> it will be rm -rf'd shortly
<jcater> (that's a repository, btw... it's not part of the gnue-sb cvs tree)
<dcmwai> jcater: but revDeke is not here ....
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<dcmwai> bye all
<Vee2d2> nite
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<Vee2d2> whew.. this is great.. compiling a new kernel, playing mp3s, and thinking pretty hard and the cpu's staying coo.. peaked ~129F
<jamest> thinking heats up your cpu?
<jamest> usually my ears just get warm
<Vee2d2> :)
<jcater> thinking heats up my cpu
<jcater> esp. when I'm thinking about that Terminator 3 chick
<jcater> and if by CPU, you mean.. err, nevermind
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<KeithJagrs> hello!
<KeithJagrs> ;)
<jcater> howdy
<Vee2d2> and a helluva O it is. 
<KeithJagrs> he
<KeithJagrs> question
<KeithJagrs> is it true that linux can read but not write into ntfs?
<KeithJagrs> a bit off topic
<jbailey> I thought that was fixed in 2.6
<KeithJagrs> for having linux and win xp in the same box
<KeithJagrs> and use win partitions from linux
<jbailey> win xp doesn't use ntfs be default apparently, I was told it uses fat32
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> we have several WinXP laptops
<jcater> and they are all using NTFS
<ajmitch> hello
<jcater> but on a self-install, it may not be the default choice though
<KeithJagrs> i see
<KeithJagrs> hwy
<KeithJagrs> hey
<KeithJagrs> whatever happened to the kernel cousin link in the gnue.org site
<Vee2d2> it's there
<Vee2d2> buried inside the community link I think
<KeithJagrs> uh-uh
<KeithJagrs> buried?
<KeithJagrs> very deep then
<KeithJagrs> It's been like 2 months or so that the link was removed
<KeithJagrs> dont know why
<Vee2d2> I'm looking and not seeing it now.. ;(
<KeithJagrs> heh
<Vee2d2> I bookmarked it a while back
<KeithJagrs> gotta run ... see ya
<KeithJagrs> please PSU, put the link back
<KeithJagrs> ;)
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<Vee2d2> AOL axes Gecko team, dumps Netscape
<Vee2d2> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3422
<Vee2d2> oof
<jbailey> *blink*
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<siesel> hi
<Vee2d2> halo
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<siesel> Vee2d2: anything new about the arias/gnue-sb merger?
<chillywilly> hi siesel 
<Vee2d2> siesel: jcater commited some directories earlier, I'm not sure where the merger stands right now.. 
<siesel> chillywilly: hi
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<siesel> Veedee: thx for the info
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<torenvliet> A while back I was on this channel and someone here told me about a unitarian channel on freenode, is that channel still up?
<torenvliet> little off topic I know
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<btami> hi
<btami> i can't start designer on win32
<btami> DB000:   File "c:\python22\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\base\tools\SchemaNavigator.py", line 82, in init
<btami> DB000:     tree.SetPyData(root, self)
<btami> DB000:   File "C:\python22\Lib\site-packages\wxPython\controls2.py", line 1012, in SetPyData
<btami> DB000:     val = controls2c.wxTreeCtrl_SetPyData(self, *_args, **_kwargs)
<btami> DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in c:\PROJECTS\wx\src\msw\treectrl.cpp(750): can't retrieve virtual root item
<jcater> crap
<jcater> I hate windows + wx
<btami> wx 2.4.1.2 and python 2.2.2
<jcater> hang on ...
<jcater> cvs update and try again
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<btami> DB000:   File "c:\python22\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\base\tools\SchemaNavigator.py", line 85, in init
<btami> DB000:     tree.Expand(root)
<btami> DB000:   File "C:\python22\Lib\site-packages\wxPython\controls2.py", line 1116, in Expand
<btami> DB000:     val = controls2c.wxTreeCtrl_Expand(self, *_args, **_kwargs)
<btami> DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in c:\PROJECTS\wx\src\msw\treectrl.cpp(1687): Can't expand/collapse hidden root node!
<jcater> try again
<btami> it's ok now!
<btami> thanks
<jcater> cool
<btami> DB000:   File "c:\python22\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\base\MRUManager.py", line 108, in refreshMenu
<btami> DB000:     for i in menu.GetMenuItems(): 
<btami> DB000:   File "C:\python22\Lib\site-packages\wxPython\wx.py", line 1834, in __getattr__
<btami> DB000:     raise wxPyDeadObjectError( self.attrStr % self._name )
<btami> DB000: wxPython.wx.wxPyDeadObjectError: The C++ part of the wxMenu object has been deleted, attribute access no longer allowed.
<jcater> hmm
<btami> whan i want to "Open Recent"  a gfd
<jcater> how'd you do that?
<jcater> ah
<btami> [MRUList]
<btami> 0 = c:\python22\scripts\for.gfd
<btami> in my gnue-des.ini
<btami> 1. "Open" for.gfd
<btami> 2. close it
<btami> after som little cosmetics
<btami> 3. "Open Recent" for.gfd
<jcater> ok, I see the problem
<btami> i think it's an old bug, but never was reported
<btami> anyhow, time to sleep
<btami> gnight
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<Vee2d2> hmm.. been trying to find out why the schema navigator blows up when I try to open the Tables node under gnue_sb now and I'm coming up empty.. 
<Vee2d2> I dropped the db and started fresh even.. ;) which uncovered something else in the schema
<Vee2d2> NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index 'pos_register_pkey' for table 'pos_register'
<Vee2d2> CREATE TABLE
<Vee2d2> ERROR:  DefineIndex: attribute "contact_id" not found
<jcater> :(
<jcater> oh
<jcater> you are creating the pos tables
<jcater> those probably aren't ready
<Vee2d2> it's there now.. 
<Vee2d2> I dropped 'em
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<Vee2d2> and the related sequences, indicies
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<Vee2d2> heh.. I'm on a downward spiral with this.. wait!
<Vee2d2> eureeeka, I think
<Vee2d2> it's a popy bug?
<Vee2d2> switched back to psycopg and it works again
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<Vee2d2> jcater: It's a popy bug
<Vee2d2> I guess popy isnt return the oid as an int
<Vee2d2> switched back to psycopg and everything worked fine again
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<Vee2d2> wb jamest
<jamest> hi
<Vee2d2> which postgresql driver are you using now? 
<Vee2d2> jamest: I remember you had timestamp issues using psycopg, right?
<jamest> yeah
<jamest> i'm using popy
<Vee2d2> does the schema navigator in designer work for you? 
<Vee2d2> as in, you can open up nodes
<jamest> dunno
<Vee2d2> table's nodes that is
<jamest> haven't touched designer in maybe 2 weeks
<jcater> I've hit several issues w/popy
<jcater> in debian sid
<jcater> so had to switch back to psycopg
<jamest> ahhhhh standards
<jamest> allows us to have various fully compatible db drivers 
<jamest> all with unique sets of bugz
<Vee2d2> when I was trying to figure out what was happening I went into common's datasources/drivers/postgresql/Base/Driver.py and commented out the block of code ~188 that creates the list and instead printed what was getting returned and it barfed on my %d for  rs[2]... so I changed it to a %s and it printed ok.. so I guess it's returning a string..?
<jcater> ooooo
<jcater> I think I remember my issue w/popy in debian sid
<Vee2d2> tried to just print type(rs[2]) but got an error: TypeError: 'stTr' object is not callable
<jcater> it doesn't return native types
<Vee2d2> that should read 'str'
<jcater> popy was wrapping native types
<jcater> for some reason
<jcater> with it's own classes
<jcater> but they hadn't implemented all the __whatever__ methods
<jcater> so some of our stuff was bombing
<jcater> geeze
<jcater> reading slashdot's posts regarding the Scribus 1.0 release
<jcater> and I'd like to troutslap a lot of those posters
<jcater> "If a designer can't afford a $1,000 QuarkXPress, then they aren't a designer"
<jcater> type of stuff
<jcater> I use Quark almost daily
<jcater> and scribus excites the hell out of me
<jamest> if a programmer can't afford a $500+ visual C compiler then they aren't a programmer
<Vee2d2> it's silly reasoning.. but I dont think, from my perspective anyway, $$ has little to do with it..
<jamest> i liked a thread in the OOrc1 post
<jamest> about a dude who's father used Correl 7
<Vee2d2> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=71166&cid=6443267
Nick change: Sacha_away -> SachaS
<jamest> so w/o OO support for wp files he couldn't switch
<jamest> in typicall /. fashion "dude, just load them in word, save as doc files, then import.  They teach us stuff like this in college."
<jamest> someone replied "and when he has 3000+ documents dating back to the wp5.1 days?  you really want to convert them all by hand this way?  Don't think so.  You learn stuff like this after college."
<Vee2d2> I dont even read the comments unless someone points out a particular thread to read.. like someone earlier pointed out that matrix joke to me.. 
<jcater> Vee2d2: don't bother with slashdot
<jcater> http://www.alterslash.org/
<jcater> is the way to go
<Vee2d2> haha.. good rebuttle
<jcater> <-- a happy customer for a year
<Vee2d2> interesting
<jcater> all of the articles, plus the top 4 or 5 comments
<jamest> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=71135&threshold=5&commentsort=0&tid=185&mode=thread&cid=6441387
<jcater> dude, sure Scribus isn't where Quark is at
<jcater> but at the same time
<jcater> scribus has many benefits that Quark doesn't
<jcater> like, um, python scripting :)
<jcater> we go through a fairly convoluted process to get our 900 listings in our catalog every 6 months
<jcater> with scribus, I could do one of two things
<jcater> 1. create a scribus document file myself, since it's well documented XML
<jcater> 2. write a python script
<jcater> (I've heard python is easy to pick up)
<jcater> plus in Quark, we hit a major bug wrt many images in a document every 6 months
<jcater> in a given day, we have to make 10-20 backups of our quark document as we never know when quark claimed it saved something, but in reality it is corrupt
<jcater> but I guess I'm preaching to the choir
<Vee2d2> is framemaker a counterpart to quark?
<jcater> and sure I love quark, but I don't have it at home, so can't use it for my personal stuff
<jcater> and bookstore stuff, etc
<jcater> framemaker is similar
<jcater> adobe's inDesign is closer
<jcater> framemaker is more a structured editor
<jcater> anywho, I digress
<Vee2d2> heh.. I just recieved my first fax spam
<jcater> there were many, many times the # of posts deriding the developers for wasting their time than praising them
<R45> Vee2d2: fax spam is very illegal
<jamest> jcater: about python, it's pretty easy to pick up
<jamest> but it's no where near as uber l33t kewl as java
<jcater> jamest: well Quark requires you to write in C to do "plugins"
<jcater> how l33t is that
<jamest> so does sql*forms (well you can link with fortran too)
<jamest> so if oracle does it that way then it must rool
<jcater> rool?
<jcater> drool?
<jcater> fool?
<jamest> like drool but without the drip
<jamest> rool is forms
<jamest> drool is t3 
<jcater> mmmmm
<jamest> if you know what i mean 
Action: jcater drools
Action: jamest /clears
<jcater> ditto
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<derek> sup dawgs
<Vee2d2> nad much home bug
<ajmitch> gidday
<ajmitch> derek: how's GNUe SB going these days?
<Vee2d2> herro ajmitch
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