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HAH I didn't say anything about the quality of your contributions, just mine :) I contribute channel entropy ;) aka flatulence lol that was a good one my man touche' Action: dcmwai never read the sources YET :) dcmwai: solve your problem, yet? Vee2d2: No ... don't really know why :( sorry to ask, if python really that buggy (someone tell me that...) I'm not sure... *shrug* not that I am aware of no problems here are yuou having wxWindows problems? chillywilly: he has two machines setup with gnue.. one works ok, the other has some sort of issue when forms attempts to load somewhere around setting up the menubar & toolbars.. deadcat system? ;P deadcat? yes redhat ; ;) Hey... why called redhat deadcat? cause of the fun rpm hell that it inflicts upon people ;) Action: Vee2d2 knows people that still insist on using slackware.. whatever your comfy with using.. better than LFS.. Action: dcmwai I think the worst will be SCO ;) Action: Vee2d2 used caldera for a short while heathen! ;) Action: dcmwai that is all about business :) it was years ago, ran opendos in the same timeframe I still have one machine that dualboots linux/drdos.. ;) Vee2d2: haha dr dos :) Vee2d2: I still have dr dos 5 Book :) I was able to get the app to run in dosemu, but it took quite a bit of time to get it there.. and it still needs a good bit of tweaking to make it work in a useful mode (it's a gfx app) that dosdebug or whatever they call the debugger in dosemu is quite useful heh, legacy dos apps are still around ;) I still use my 1987 copy of norton commander on mine.. ;) heh haha I've try that but it was long long time ago :) zXc3 (~zXc3@212.97.50.218) joined #gnuenterprise. morning halo reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate." reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. 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SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-247.wasp.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dsmith G'morning thierry jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.82.226) joined #gnuenterprise. is there some replication/synchronization toolkit in gnue ? Integrator might do that. where can I find it ? http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/tools/integrator.html Looks like it's only in CVS though not a lot of stuff may be find "profit project" to finance this part could be interesting... I think generally that's how most of GNUe is developped. One of the core team gets a contract that needs it, so they code it. =) may be I found a big project to develop that but I should find others skilled developers is there some guys/gals here skilled in replication/sync ? Wait until jcater and jamest are online - they're likely your best resources for that. great! I will wait them http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchlinux/ "..I'm Steve, and I'm a super villan." Vee2d2, Anyway to create flash using linux? he say switch to linux but if the linux user can't get most things (well, most things didn't run on M$ Windows) I meant some important things on Linux then it will be a Long way to go. anyway I'm not running a flame :) just a few words :) dcmwai: *shrug* sure where there's a will there's a way.. I've never pursued it.. libming - Library to generate SWF (Flash) Files from? Action: dcmwai dream is to run dreamwaver on linux :) dunno it's in the debian repository http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libming.html woo... that why debian is so strong :) dcmwai: you could always use win4lin or vmware or wine or something.. ok anyway, i'm going to take my bath, :) wine can't run macromedia, I've try... I'll try to run Warcraft III (FT) on a windows and linux machine later and try if they can connect to the network to play :) Vee2d2, you want to get in my maching and have a look on the gnue stuff? send me your ssh public key and I'll make it work... :) ok bath time :) Action: dcmwai away not right now, I'm going to be tied up probably for the rest of the week :( ok Next weeks .... if that still not work... hehe... :) I'll crash python :) Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "Client exiting" dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater hello lupo__ (~lupo@p5085F6D4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.82.226) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-118.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) left irc: "Client exiting" is someone is working on a idl -> grpc generator ? is someone working on a idl -> grpc generator ? reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. not that I know of reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: do you think it's useful having one ? ummm because I'm dealing w/ appserver and BO registration possibly, cause doing xml by hand isn't fun and registration needs grpc file the best will be "python class" -> grpc xml by hand isn't fun ? but, there is the problem of types jcater: not agree having a tool to generate it ? I think the idl->grpc is only useful if you already have an idl file as I don't see it as easier but I agree a python class -> grpc would be useful jcater: how can we resolve type issues ? I don't think that could happen automatically since python classes have no notion of type yep very bad reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4" tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater_ (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (for nickname owner)) Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: tripz__ is away: from work ToyMan (~stuq@209-63-51-169.br1.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo__ (~lupo@p5085F6D4.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "It is easiest to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem." jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-118.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-118.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-247.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@209-63-51-169.br1.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" R45 (~rastabeen@196.3.147.238) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-247.wasp.net.au) left irc: "Client exiting" R45 (~rastabeen@196.3.147.238) left irc: dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.208) joined #gnuenterprise. Anyone here? know about how a stock is run? Action: dcmwai should say invnetory instate of stock... ? hello jcater hi How are you planing to make the close possible on GL account on the New schema? Create a New DB yearly? or any idea I haven't had a chance to look at it I've been preoccupied with other stuff right now Oh. I see. What is that :) air conditioning lol Action: dcmwai want to know more why people so Busy.. What jcater: how's the lil one, btw? Air conditioning... Vee2d2: ok, I suppose lil ??? dcmwai: my son dcmwai: small, as in child. :) lil one == little one oh oh... so jcater is a father :) how old is he/she :) 5 just turned 5 this month ah Just at the Right time ... he starts school in 2 weeks school starts monday here.. crazy. Vee2d2: as it turns out, those weren't chicken pox jcater you believen me in something that help your sons? but lots of mosquito bites which he reacts violently to :( jcater: ack! :() dcmwai: ? I see, I hate mosquito :( Vee2d2: yeah :( plus, being a 5 year old, he *must* scratch even with long sleeves and long pants he still manages to scratch jcater: if he had a reaction I presume you got meds, but if they didn't stop the itching try white vinegar hmm I'll have to try that yeah, we have lots of meds just keep him away from vegetarian cats cuz he'll smell like salad ;-) but none seem to help hah jcater: doesn't help everyone, but works well for me Action: Vee2d2 ponders tea I made him mad the other day he scratched one and made it bleed Action: LuftHans very much believes in scratching itches, so something to stop the itching is important :) so daddy got out the iodine he didn't scratch again for an hour How about some hot water ... (not really how) s/how/hot calamine? calamine isn't really helping benadryl helps but that's cause it knocks him out :) why'd you let him get so bit up? a couple shots of whiskey will probably also help, but I'm not sure that's the right method :) scotty got into some fire ants when he was in NC well, the A/C is out so we opened up some windows in the house apparently his screen had a small hole ah just small enough for mosquitos to get in poor little buddy and we live in a semi-rural area, with lots of undeveloped acreage ooh... poor guy we, in Phx, had a baby killed in its crib by fire ants a couple of months ago :( :( not your kid, I hope seeked for any medically help? jcater: no, on the other side of town, saw it on the news how sad, though very he's been scratching like crazy too well, since we're talking about bugs, let's talk GNUe ;-) jcater: is he having too much protine food I put some cortozone creme no it gack! change the topic! HEH haha :) actually, I want to talk about the docs Action: jcater tries pooring vinegar over the gnue cvs hmm didn't work and I was talking about inventory, and GL :) but now my computer spells funny LuftHans: docs? we have docs? spell... jcater: specifically, about the total lack of docs... LuftHans is going to offer some :) come on now it's not a *total* lack ;) dcmwai: if I can figure out how this beast works, yes, I will I've some doc from Simply accounting, may be using that as a template it will help (a few) better than having to work on python :) s/template/guide Line LuftHans: You sure :) LuftHans: you have something against python? dems fighting words round here ;) anyone know how inventry run? dcmwai: Vee2d2 is our inventory expert If Purchase is with Deliver Order for Assembly where should it be put ? Vee2d2: Help me :) chillywilly: yeah, I know and I know you're too far along to see the light :) dcmwai/jcater: heh LuftHans: so, what about our total lack of docs do you wish to discuss? LuftHans: Sure do :) Vee2d2: "export" is relative, of course :) dcmwai: you mean like a physical inventory.. usually taken annually for fiscal purposes? c/export/expert I've 2 computer one is running and one is not ... If there is a docs it will help a lot :-D Vee2d2: ... what ??? ... dcmwai: yes, that's what I'm asking you. :) jcater: I have a consulting project to do and I keep threatening Derek that I'm gonna do it in PHP if I can't get going with GNUe soon dcmwai: when you say inventory.. you mean where you count all your product to know what you have? Vee2d2: something like that. Now my problem is this.. I was actually working on docs earlier this week Vee2d2: YEs what I need is a basic, "how to get started with GNUe" or something LuftHans: what light? StartHere.sxw Action: dcmwai Total agree, and The 1st Docs should be "Install GNUe HOW-TO" well.. yes/no I still havent touched the appserver stuff.. mostly I'm needing to put a front end on a simple db right now, but in the end I think I have an opportunity to provide a full customer relations and inventory system for them, they'll probably stick with phpledger for medium term where as, I see others are mainly interested in that portion of the project.. Vee2d2: back to my problem, I'm trying to change aria on inventory. I know it isn't much, but was the Form's Developer's Guide any help at all? I started a Designer's User Guide earlier this week dcmwai: it has a means of performing an inventory right now? but haven't gotten far with it at all it is at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/designer/ (much, much sparser than the developer's guide) jcater: I've gone through it a couple of times, it's out of date, but did get me somewhat started Vee2d2: Yes why not, As what I seen, my problem will not be encounter later in Gnue :) out of date? I've finally gotten GNUe working well enough to create a form in gfdes, but I still haven't figured out how to get it to do stuff I know it's incomplete, but out of date? Action: dcmwai haha :) well, I did get a search mechanism with one field to work, but I'm not providing them one form per field :) lol whatever happened to derek's training sessions he was advertising in the next week or so dcmwai: so what's the problem? LuftHans: actually, you need the docs I started but of course that does you absolutely no good at the moment jcater: yeah, Derek said the xml schema has changed a lot, also many of the GUI mechanisms are somewhat different Derek's class is at the end of Aug oh I thought it was the end of july Action: jcater misread Oh I know something that GNUe is lack of, A Datebase Driver ( Use to create/modiFy Database, something just like M$ Access/phppgadmin/phpmyadmin) :) dcmwai: we've thought of that too but we want to finish at least one thing first :) jcater: Oh, Nice. LuftHans: are you using CVS? or the last release? Action: dcmwai think people are smart always think the same :) (Well, is jcater is smart then dcmwai is smart too) :) jcater: cvs from the 25th s/is/if :) ok Action: Vee2d2 goes to brew some tea Vee2d2: aiya... when you are back tell me :) cvs from the 20th and the 21st were borken I've got a form that has 4 fields, one is a dropdown. My goal is to have the dropdown populated from the db when the form comes up, then populate the other fields based on what's chosen from the dropdown Vee2d2: Ok the situation is like this, My Org is sending PO to get things purchase, and At the same time, there will also be a DO (Deliver Order) Issue to ship/transport the raw material to the vender that we order from, jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-118.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Vee2d2: So that the finishing product will be on our side when all things is done. So do you have any idea on how these things is done( The standard way/Official Way) I don't want to do things my way.... DB000: File "/home/lufthans/lokal/sandbox/projekte/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/events/EventController.py", line 88, in dispatchEvent DB000: handler(event) DB000: File "/home/lufthans/lokal/sandbox/projekte/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFDisplayHandler.py", line 725, in beginEdit DB000: self.work = self.field._allowedValues[str(self.value)] DB000: TypeError: unsubscriptable object So it is always python.... Action: dcmwai think python debuger Suck, php is alot more better :) Action: dcmwai is away: to repair the water tap. (why should I ???) how do I determine which object is unsubscriptable? hmmm, exits with an error status of 0 :( I don't see anything obvious in the form that's subscripted it's is saying that that object is not a dict, afaict i.e., you can use [] on it can't* no ['s in the form it's a bug Action: LuftHans gets out the RAID. has nothing to do with your form you haven't seen the form ;-) so start with the files on the bottom of the traceback to figure out what's borked? what is the girlfrienddisplayhandler for? :) LuftHans: per chance, are you using a dropdown without a corresponding fk_source ? Action: jcater has to go shortly well maybe it is your form ;) Action: chillywilly wouldn't know anyway ;P well if this is the case we need a better error handler for this case :) yea ;P jcater: no fk_source in the entry or the field defs at any rate you helped find a bug most likely ;) datasource doesn't have one, but connection and table seem correct jcater: maybe you can code it to provide electro shock if they forget the fk_source ;) hello people hi ajmitch hi chillywilly DB000: File "/home/lufthans/lokal/sandbox/projekte/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFObjects/GFField.py", line 167, in initialize DB000: self.fk_key DB000: AttributeError: GFField instance has no attribute 'fk_key' grep fk /var/tmp/anke.gfd returns nothing I added fk_source to a copy of anke.gfd, mmm tea what is this dropdown trying to do? honey sweet jcater: I want it to grab all the entries in that column of the database when the form starts up, then I want to fill in the rest of the entries on the page with that row when an entry is chosen in the dropdown if you give me a sample definition of the table, I'll give you a form that does that in a short amount of time then explain what's going on jcater: ok Action: chillywilly wacthes intently watches even rest_ser | name | url | type | address | phone dcmwai: we had relationships like that and just handled those situations with pos.. make a po for stamped plates, a po to have the plates plated by another company, and another po to buy enclosures that had the plated plates embedded in them.. the first vendor would bill us, and the second vendor would notify us of the receipt, and so on until we received the final assembly. rest_ser is the listing number, name, url, type and addy are all varchars, I think phone is as well it's a listing for restaurants I like to eat at :) mysql has 'show table' or something like that to get the table def, what's the equiv for psql? \d dcmwai: hopefully your vendors are more reputable than some of the ones we dealt with.. somehow the plater we used managed to plate quite a bit more than the stamper billed us for Action: LuftHans actually uses postgresql more than mysql, but knows the mysql thingy better Action: jcater is learning psql too I come from oracle land rest_ser | integer | not null default nextval('"restaurants_rest_ser_seq"'::text) name, url, type, addy, and phone are listed at text Indizies: restaurants_pkey Primdrschl|ssel btree (rest_ser) Primaerschluessel == primary key 1 | sabuddy | | isreali | 825 W University | 480 894 8387 that's an entry in the table Action: LuftHans actually generally doesn't make it to sabuddy because it's right next to an ethiopian restaurant that has fantastic food and good prices :) hehe 2 | Lalibela | | ethiopian | 849 W University Dr | 480 829 1939 <-- absolutely rocks! :) actually, s/Lal/Cafe &/ Vee2d2: em.... Yes something more or less like that... Vee2d2: So what would be the Inventory (software) doing for all that... dcmwai: I've been trying to recall how exactly we handled it in inventory because I recall receiving in the stamped parts and putting them into a pseudo inventory location so we had visibility of where things were.. Action: dcmwai think this would have to be include in the Invneotry making Report before the Inventory is done :) BTW, is there a way to get gfdes to use smaller fonts and icons? Action: LuftHans feels like he's using grandma's bridge cards... LuftHans: The main problem on Linux in Font is something like this... You could never get a font that is at the right size, If it is not too small, then it will be too big :( dcmwai: I do fine with small fonts. I also have a 21" monitor at 1280x1024, so small fonts are pretty big dcmwai: For me (well using deadhat :) ) the default fonts on 15" monitor at 1024x768 is Killing.... for what I want 'name' would be the key field, right? in Mozilla :) Action: LuftHans dccs dcmwai a debian iso ;-) Action: dcmwai please don't do that,I can't handle debian yet :( anyone can handle debian :) even I fumble my way through it http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/screenshots/lufthans.png that kind of thing? By all my Linux knowledge I don't can't really can get a debian working in my System :( dcmwai: come to my presentation in two weeks and you'll see that debian is easy jcater: that'd work except McD's isn't a restaurant :) LuftHans: I'm on the other side of the World (Malaysia Asian) LuftHans: but we are an international channel :) I don't have the top row. in the second row I have a dropdown for name jcater: yeah, I know :) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/screenshots/lufthans.gfd is the form dcmwai: I knew you're around Asia somewhere, just being obnoxious :) I unfortunately need to go (wife's orders) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "later" LuftHans: So where are you :) who was that masked man? he left before I could thank him... dcmwai: in .az.us, same as Derek LuftHans: Be here always, we are always here ;) Action: ajmitch notes that he's the only NZ visitor here these days Action: dcmwai is back (gone 00:46:36) dcmwai: the channel's pretty dead during the .az.us day, but it picks up in the evening Action: LuftHans really, really wants to be able to use GNUe this time around, so I'm gonna be in here a lot thanks for the warning ;) when the channel's dead and I'm stuck I switch to working on the project in PHP, the customer gets whichever is done first :) chillywilly: no prob :) you should use twisted.web w/ Woven ;) muwahhaa dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.208) got netsplit. tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) got netsplit. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) got netsplit. Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. and dcmwai just said he's always here... :) doh netsplits Action: ajmitch splits dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.208) returned to #gnuenterprise. tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) returned to #gnuenterprise. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. Is This what I called a Net Spilte :( dcmwai: yeah, the server you're on stopped talking to the server we're on ( or the other way around ) freenode need Hands and Money :( irc works pretty good, though, in that it'll automagically rejoin and it'll reset channel options guess that's what happens when you live in .fi, you're so desperate for outside contact that you'll make it damned easy for them to come back :) bah Action: LuftHans dislikes all the global announcements on freenode Action: ajmitch hardly sees any I see several a day, but at least they're generally no longer ads and they're actually almost relevant system status turn them off ;) Action: chillywilly yawns