ajmitch: that's what I was gonna work on ajmitch: I am going to devote some more time to it chillywilly: how functional is it? we're going to be using a simulation package called omnet++ for a course here ajmitch: I accidentally deleted the GNU people's mail heard of that? choosing a restaurant, then hitting the 'switch to query mode' button returns the info, but the form immediately gets reset oops ajmitch: hmmm, sounds familiar does it do network simulation w/ a drag and drop gui? er, I think that was opnet it lets you define stuff which gets compiled to c++ ok non-free license :( similar to GPL but with non-commercial use only clause you have a url? http://www.omnetpp.org/ thanks non-free license? /me drags and drops it into the garbage disposal :) google wasn't turning up anything interesting wooo, discrete event simulation ;) I have several goals...it's just what I have been mainly struggleing with is the threading yeah, it's used a bit for network stuff k the current code I have deadlocks... ;P need to go back to the drawing board and work the threading out ouch talk to Oxd00fd00f, he loves threading & c++ ;) does he use common c++? ;) not that it matters nah does he write his own Thread class stuff? just curious I've been writing multhreaded code for years now... I love deadlocks.... fantastic multidimensonal logic puzzles, every one of them... where's he at? #metawrap? not often where are you talking to him? home server :) ah ircd? yeah can you /msg me the server? (I dunno if he would want it in a public log) jcater's correct on the new docs, the only content is the GPL are trigger's hand-crafter python or is there a gfdes inerface for them? LuftHans (~lufthans@wsip-68-107-221-207.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.208) got netsplit. tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) got netsplit. Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port30.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. 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Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port30.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. chillywi1ly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-95.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-95.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hallo dimas are datasource names case sensitive? hello LuftHans LuftHans: seems so i changed datasource name in block definition like dtsPerson to dtsperson and it did not crush morning all reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: dcmwai is back (gone 02:26:22) Vee2d2: Any Good News? johannesX (~johannes@M1254P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai: if you still has that issue with accel keys, you could try to rebuild wxpython rpm from source dimas: Ok I'll try, Thank You :) I'm looking for Vee2d2 on the inventory issue but I think now he is gone somewhere :) may be just sleeping :) dimas: yeah, case doesn't seem to make a difference, but I'd like to know if that's a bug or a feature :) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/screenshots/lufthans.gfd would someone try that? requires a table named restaurants with 6 fields, first field is rest_ser, which is a unique number, the rest ( name, url, type, address, phone ) are varchar dimas: I think should be it is 2'o clock in the morning... reinhard: you here ? LuftHans: all gnue bugs are features actually :) thierry: yes vcsoediv oops wrong window reinhard: is objects releationships are managed in appserver ? I mean 1:1, 1:n, n:m relationships it is planned yes not in it's current state however i'm not sure if we will directly support n:m what we have planned is that you can have a property of an object that "points" to another object like if invoice is an object invoice.number might be an integer invoice.amount might be another integer and invoice.customer might be an object of type customer reinhard: i'm implementing a transparent mapping system based on CMP and a server based on XMLRPC protocol which serves business object what is a transparent mapping system? I'm trying to join my work to your work and what is CMP? :) Container-managed persistent it's the container which takes some rules from a descriptor file (xml) and knows how to map objects to database container generates source code to manage objects hmmm sounds somewhat similar to what appserver aims at maybe we take different approaches in implementation i'm working on my porject since 2 monthes but basically appserver does not much more than providing persistant objects that are stored in database you have code already? yep (sorry for that stupid question, nop but the gnue project lived for years without a single line of code ;-)) my server does so :) the fact is that I have a customer which is paying me to develop a framework is your project downloadable somewhere? to create big multimedia center application I can send you a tarball of the actual work it would be at least interesting if not more :-) :) sorry what do you mean with "multimedia center application"? second war movies and audio, news papers, articles in numeric format management application kind of inventory application? just to _manage_ the stuff? or do you store videos and scans in the database? manage first step there are 50000 movies actually second step open the app to historian searches and students ah ok third step open to public wow 50000 movies via internet be sure to not volunteer to type in the data ;-) :) btw: is it in python? sure pure python cool i'm quite curious i dont want to go further if there is a way to join your work at first sight i would say you could do it with gnue the approach is quite different my BO are not like yours registration is totally different s/totally/partially Action: tripz__ is back lupo__ (~lupo@pD9542AAA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) ToyMan (~stuq@209-63-51-169.br1.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.208) left irc: "Client exiting" ToyMan (~stuq@209-63-51-169.br1.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" lxf (~knoppix@202.73.120.115) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon6983.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jamest, dcmwai dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello morning, jamest hello thierry :) Vee2d2, Should be up any minutes :) stefan (~stefan@216.208.232.2) joined #gnuenterprise. I've been up a while.. hi there Vee2d2, Woo... This is fast... real fast :) haha... but anyway, I'm going to take my bath 1st, after comming back from a long day work :) Vee2d2, talk to you later, OK? Vee2d2: were you asking about input masks last week? or this week? yip [08:26] Last message repeated 1 time(s). :) dcmwai: np jamest: I think it was this week SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-231.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. look in common's techdocs section jamest: might've been both though i added a techdoc describing a possible method of handling these things (in cvs of course ) python 2.3 released yip right.. syncing now.. reports 20-30% speed improvement it's pretty rough at the moment but I need to know if this looks like it'll meet your needs jcater: cool! wonder how much of our code won't work jamest: do you have docs about a typical work flow, both, with an installed system, as well as the installation process (schema / object definition) ? jcater: ;) jcater: you should try it and find out :) jamest: I'm trying to figure out the architecture you are implementing, so I'm wondering about the requirements... jamest: this looks pretty neat Vee2d2: yeah. i'm pretty excited. it even made jcater's list of Jamest Ideas That Don't Suck. So I'm happy. haha stefan: we really don't have a workflow doc gnue is really at this time all about the tools which is unfortunate jamest: is that because you don't know the work flow yet, or because you didn't have the time to put it down yet ? :-) but people like Vee2d2 are building apps with these tools cool gnue was to be two things a set of tools to make building and maintaining gnue apps easy a set of apps that implement an erp erp ? Enterprise Resource Planning.. SAP, PeopleSoft, etc.. it's taken years to get the tools to the state they are in today (damn coders, think just because we don't pay them they can have real lives) ah, right. Didn't know the acronym realistically I think what is gonig to have to happen is the tools people still have to work on tools and people like Vee2d2 have to tell us their needs as we're very needs based in tool development Action: Vee2d2 needs a p32 modulator Action: jcater needs some caffeine Vee2d2: as long as it's not a explosive space version so I imagine that the erp side of gnue will grow rather haphasardly(sp?) hmm. I'v been discussing with a friend who is quite proficient in SAP about gnue. I'm more interested into the architecture / implementation than the actual application, but it made me curious... with each set of apps driving the needs of the tools i know that's how it's been working as several of us use the tools to implement in house systems and a lot of features of those tools wouldn't exist if we hadn't needed them in production jamest: one question that came up is whether to use a 'simple' relational database, or an object data base. well, we support both jamest: ah theoretically :) we are relationally driven appserver is even an object server but jcater and myself are relational guys at heart but designed the calls to (theoretically) support oodbms as jamest said so the model reflects that well, right. But I was wondering how to add polymorphism, i.e. how an administrator could not only set up his own DB scheme, but add behavior to the objects he is dealing with. ok yes, common has support for appserver and IIRC seisel even uses it via the web once appserver is complete it'll support object triggers are you using CORBA right now ? the diagram suggests that CORBA or XML-RPC are possible... we use pluggable handlers for everything the trigger code already exists in gnue-common and probably just needs tweaked for appserver use so for databases, you could use mysql, postgres, oracle, etc same for communications we are huge on dynamic binding ...which made me wonder: XML-RPC is just a wire protocol. corba, xml-rpc, etc more so all the time so we try not to tie anything down to 1 limited "thing" where thing = ui widget set, communications protocol, etc what about concurrency ? an ORB can encapsulate lots of the needed work for you, but if you use XML-RPC, you have to provide the means yourself... well, CORBA isn't just a communication protocol. It's a whole architecture supporting distributing objects... stefan: i don't think we'll be using it like that at first ok, I see. appserver will probably be limited to a single server at the start though that could be a huge gain, as you would get rid of a lot of worries that the ORB will take responsability for. but I'm not an appserver coder so I really can't say that for certain reinhard and seisel were working on it IIRC stefan: that's true but i just don't think the initial versions will handle it jamest: ok. I'm just asking to get an idea where you are and where you want to go ;-) jamest: I have been working with python, C++ and omniORB and I find it really easy (in particular the combination python <-> CORBA) to write complex code. someone that you may want to talk with in here is jbailey i _think_ he was trying to do some python/corba stuff last week w/ gnue ok, thanks. I'll hang around... but I've been in lurk mode for about...what....2 months? and only started getting active again in last few days so assume when I say anything I'm full of it, unless someone else confirms it ;-) heck, that's probaly good advice even when I've been active lxf (~knoppix@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: hey debian dude sure would rock if python 2.3 makes into the next stable Action: jamest hopes that jbailey has amazing influence as libc maintainer Vee2d2, I'm back Vee2d2, So what about the "things" I ask you yesterday Night I went to sleep and now they're gone jamest: python 2.3 is already in. Has been for a while. The Debian maintainers been tracking it. i mean as default :) it may be the next bump up on our minimum requirements for gnue Vee2d2, you must be joking with me... dcmwai: I'm looking at the log jamest: Mmm. They moved from 2.1 to 2.2 quickly enough. Almost everything is already built for 2.3, and it seems like a smooth enough transition. Vee2d2, OK. dcmwai: oh.. the outsourced work thing.. Vee2d2, ... what should I say... Action: dcmwai is mad right now and laughting is the only solution... jbailey: Too cool. 2.3 looks nice Vee2d2, Then ... I'll have to do things my way :( dcmwai: I dont know, I'm still emersed in my work stuff and am finding it difficult to switch gears in order to help you out there.. If you had bills of materials and workorders.. perhaps you would just place a po for the raw materials, then create a workorder to have the materials turned into finished products, then since you're outsourcing the actual work.. you could create a po for the service rather than the pr oduct.. your work order would handle the conversion of raw material to finished product.. dcmwai: but IIRC, you dont do things like that, currently, in Arias. Vee2d2, well, I can make that happen. If I know more about the flow :) wait... workorder... what is that all about? Action: dcmwai still not very clear about that... bill of material (BOM) is like a recipe.. it lists raw materials needed to create something.. a workorder tells you how many somethings to make.. usually the flow is something like.. create a BOM, create a WO, kit the WO to take the raw materials described by the BOM from inventory and allocate them to the WO, complete the WO which then puts the finished product into inventory there may need to be other steps in the process too.. like scrap or rework BOM = lists of single pieces, linked together so that something which is only sold in combination can be easily put onto a work order !? Vee2d2: you're doing inventory control system now right? jamest: not really.. the precursor to it, product mgmt ah, for mfg really using it as an excuse to learn enough to perhaps tackle something like the inventory system Vee2d2, A New version of Arias actually can do BOM , and WO (in different name cause I don't know the standad name, I called it composit item control) the one in cvs... jamest: since derek really did the product mgmt stuff, I'm just trying to finish it out a bit. :) Action: dcmwai try to brainstrome Vee2d2 on that :) So your suggestion is that Just send the PO and received the the material as usual? and do a WO later. (is that what I interpurted?) jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "later" I s'pose.. say it's cds you're making.. you'll send a PO to a vendor to buy black CDs.. then create a WO to have the blanks turned into Steel Buns Workout discs. You have a BOM that says to make one Steel Buns Workout disc you need 1 blank cd, 1 cd label, 1 jewelcase, etc.. so you need 1000 cds, open a WO for 1000pcs, kit the WO, the system uses the kitting operation to take 1000 cds, jewelcases, and anything else listed on the BOM out of inventory (or maybe moved to a WIP [work in process]) location), you process the cds and when finished close the WO which adds 1000 Steel Buns Workout discs to your inventory. s/black CDs/Blank CDs/ Smart idea... BRB smoketest on mozilla Vee2d2, So the WO is being Send within the PO on the Vendor is that the idea? And by using the WO, I can actuall generated a Deliver order to the Vendor as well.. What a Smart plan :) Vee2d2, I love You :) dcmwai: I've always thought of workorders as internal processes, but I guess you could do it that way. Since you're outsourcing the work, I would imagine you sending a po with drop ship instructions to the 1st vendor, create a WO, then when the 2nd vendor tells you they received the material you receive in the 1st PO and kit the WO.. you could have another PO for the cost of service the 2nd vendor's providing, but rather than 'Receive in' the product that vendor sends you you would close the WO.. Vee2d2: how far along is all of this? hum let me think about that... 1 month to 1 year ;0 lol the reason I ask is that I need in the near future warehouse mgmnt stuff no mfg stuff, but basic inv control, POs, picklists for shipping some dropshipped, some from the warehouse Arias will be the 1st to test that :) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: well.. I think once things start moving along it should come together rather quickly.. I havent an idea of an actual timeline though I should look at gnue-sb sometime. I was just asked abotu sql-ledger the other day. my biggest itch right now is to get things so that I can sit down in front of a form and key in all the products that I sell, establish prices for those products, and be able to then generate flyers, brochures, catalogs, price lists, etc.. Vee2d2: I have some calomine left over from TJ migth help w/that itch jcater: I bathed my eldest in caladryl this morning.. Is that like benedryl? Andi f you bathe them in it, do they go to sleep faster? I think it's calomine with benedryl oh wait, maybe I'm thinking of dramamine? I wish. ;) What's the thing you give to kids on airplanes to shut them up? jbailey: cookies jcater: Sure, but what are they laced with? =) jbailey: are you working with CORBA (jamest suggested you would) ? stefan: Not in the context of GNUe, but yes. jamest: yeah, I meant GNUe. I'm using Omniorb in python. jbailey: I'm just wondering - looking at the little architecture diagram - what you would do jbailey: oh, great. I'm using omniORB, too (with C++ and python). It's a great tool, isn't it ? SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-231.wasp.net.au) got netsplit. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. It's just a Corba orb. Nice to have standards. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-231.wasp.net.au) returned to #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. jbailey: well, sure, it's 'just CORBA' :-) Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Client exiting" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: are you planning to use it with GNUe ? How ? Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: i.e., are there standard services you think you'll use ? (trading, notification, etc.) weee stefan: No, I'm using it in a proprietary apo to enforce priviledge separation between the web server and the process that create/drops mysql tables, users from the system, etc. jbailey: I mean in the context of GNUe stefan: It's not obvious to me that I'll ever use anything other than forms, designer and integrator in gnue. jbailey: you mean only a non-distributed application as middle-layer ? jbailey: what about databases ? Won't they ever be distributed ? replica ? etc... Well, okay, one day I might add appserver in there then. But for the forseeable future, all the places I'm looking at working with already have their MRP/ERP systems setup. jbailey: oh, you mean you look at the possibility to only drop in the client applets from GNUe and use proprietary installations for the two other tiers ? You're confusing me. GNUe can either be a full suite of ERP type software. It also has some handy tools for roll-your-own type of applications. jbailey: sorry, it's probably me who is confused :-/ jbailey: but when you talk about places that have their MRP/ERP systems set up, do you mean you want GNUe to integrate with these systems ? No. My uses for gnue are entirely separate for those systems. Usually database front ends, and small custom applications. I'm back from the test, so now can think :) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) joined #gnuenterprise. Ok I'm back...(really back) johannesX (~johannes@M1254P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) got netsplit. Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. johannesX (~johannes@M1254P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. tripz__ (~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se) returned to #gnuenterprise. Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2, ok I'll try to write that up and commit it on Arias see if things work out... Vee2d2, Normally BOM is statical or dynamic? statical meant there is a tables with data for that dynamic meant the data of the composit item is on another Db and when use it create a new one... jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "The more often you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets." jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) left irc: "Client exiting" SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-231.wasp.net.au) got netsplit. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-231.wasp.net.au) returned to #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-231.wasp.net.au) got netsplit. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-231.wasp.net.au) returned to #gnuenterprise. 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PM: I can try to help, what's the issue? well have you ever counter-strike on debian? ive been working with linux for a good 4 years now counter-strike, as in a game? and i dont even know if the problem is debian yes sir im having a problem with way to much CPU consuption everyone recommends running RH there are 3 types of games: 1. shoot 'em up, 2. strategy shoot em up 3. and the only one I play, *NIX :) nice well what would cause alot of cpu consumption? ive tried 5 different kernels and so far 2.5.75 has been the worst im runinn a 2.4 celeron P4 what does top show? as in processes? yeah 04:36:49 up 3:16, 1 user, load average: 0.49, 0.28, 0.15 29 processes: 26 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 42.0% user, 3.0% system, 0.0% nice, 55.0% idle Mem: 485052K total, 171176K used, 313876K free, 4456K buffers Swap: 314456K total, 0K used, 314456K free, 73972K cached that's 55% idle, not too bad thats only with 8 people how can people have 24 person servers lol um ive heard of people with PIII 400s running more then me well, we don't run counterstrike on them, for one :) what're the top processes? 24 isn't much :) i know james 255 root 16 0 83160 81M 4728 R 20.3 17.1 36:49 hlds_i686 541 root 1 0 936 936 748 R 0.1 0.1 0:00 top 1 root 0 0 488 488 424 S 0.0 0.1 0:04 in i guess what im sayin is... debian couldnt be causing this lag people keep saying change distros but i have recompiled custom kernels so there is no point in switching to redhat correct? PM: generally, it's not debian, but RH does do some kernel configuring is there anything i can do to find out what? is this just a cs server or are you also running cs locally? cs server only no X? nope custom install totally people keep saying there cpus never go over 20% with 16 users just cant believe it ok, generally, I'd say the 3 main things to check are what the cs processes are doing, kernel setup and X setup. You've eliminated the 3rd item ok you could grab a RH kernel config and compile a kernel with that config. how would i go about achieving that Also, look at what patches RH has added to the kernel i wonder if you can trace out what cs is doing it should be /boot/config. on a RH box. get someone to mail it to you :) does linux have trace? with the trace command? strace