Packet-Man (SNA@adsl-65-43-75-244.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone here PM: how's the cs server doing? not good nope :) same prob :( oh? :( dns didn't get rehorked due to dhcp? jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit neg static ips Luft you here? just found a program that traces all halflife engine calls would this be usefull? PM: mostly does cs use halflife engine? Action: LuftHans knows next to nothing about the lineage of games alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-43-139.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey Alan Hey. danke for taking care of devel No problem. Still have to get the announcement post and on the list. Talked to deneighbo lately? yeah, I wanted to do all 3 meetings on the announcement, but haven't heard back from George :( nope. I sent mail to him today saying he needs to help me this weekend, so he might be avoiding me :) Hmmm.. I was hoping to find dneighbo here to see about helping with the gnue workshop on the 30th he wasn't in at all last night and haven't seen him today either must be busy with the county cio leaving and all. Thatcher is already gone, but, yeah, I bet things are a little shook up over there no reaction on the PLUG list :( Derek hasn't responded to my response to Eben's SCO writeup either wow, they've got a teeny font on the postgresql site for the docs. it's awesome :). Lots of info crammed into a smaller space... Well, if he needs preparation help for the gnue workshop thing, I hope he speaks up. I'll be able to help him after this weekend or I'll likely be doing the project in PHP Are you keeping "monetarily" busy? Vee2d2: Will there be a new release before the training dneighbo is doing on the 30th? that's one of the projects they said there's a release 'right around the corner' I met with one client today. setting up boxen and some security stuff. If I know GNUe well enough I might be able to take over their devel project as well :) the other project is an app front end to a db, which I'm trying to do with GNUe are you making progress with gnue? You were on that one a week ago. I've finally got the tools working ( for the most part ), but I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around how they work documentation would help, but there doesn't appear to be much at this point :( hmmm I need to try it before the workshop but I will be hard pressed to find the time. it was autodetecting the CPU at a PII so i turned off autodetect PM: well, PII tends to work better than PIII, in my experience :) what about a PIIII lol Action: LuftHans sends PM an Opteron catalog ;-) alan: Jason's glad to have us coming in? sounded like it. There was no real issue getting the place. I just asked for a saturday and they said the 30th. Jason had to get approval from Steve, I think. but he called me back within 2 minutes with approval. my name is Jason lol what is gdb GDB gdb is the GNU debugger Action: LuftHans takes Packet-Man's hockey mask away Action: LuftHans takes advantage of having broken up with his gf and loads on the garlic. me MMMMmmmmm garlic.... Action: alandd Doh! Action: alandd Forgot the '/'! that's OK, never heard of the /me filesystem anyway :) hey would running that trace program within halflife help find the cpu bottleneck? http://metamod.org/trace.html bah anyone still there that might help I don't know enough about cs or c to help, though no no one is here Packet-Man: What are you trying to do? chillywilly: are you on the gnue team? Will there be a release before the 30th of August? im trying to figure out why i cannot hold 12 people on a P4 celeron 2.4 gig lol halflife server counter-strike I am a loose associate haven't committed anything ina long long time ;) alandd: there will be a realease "when it's ready" ;) model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz stepping : 9 cpu MHz : 2388.351 flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm bogomips : 4757.91 chillywilly: yep, that is one mostly good thing about FS, it will be released when it's ready. heheh jcater and jamest would be the people to ask ;) Packet-Man: The bottleneck on anything these days tends to be the network or the network connection. I assume you have ruled that out? And, not being a gamer, I assume "hold 12 people" means 12 clients on the server at once without dropping any? chillywilly: I'll just keep bugging dneighbo! ;^) I know he wants a new release before the training on that day. im just not understanding how a network problem could spike a CPU so much though buffer problem? NIC driver issue? "spike a CPU" meaning the CPU goes 100% utilized and bogs down? What does a game server have to do? does it do more than throw packets around? maybe a Celeron is not up to the task? Action: alandd guessing mode in overdrive! alandd: yea but dneighbo doesn't do a lot of hacking on things ;) jcater is the code machine followed relatively closely by jamest...then there's the appserver people I know. he just has to ask and gets the same answer: "when it's ready." haha The biggest deal I can see for the project is the lack of docs. Is someone working on that or is it still such a moving target (new features, etc.) that writing docs would be too much of a task right now? I think the deal there is that jcater and jamest are also the ones writing the docs for the most part but they are the ones coding, no? yip tell 'em to give up their day jobs and sleep so they can get to work :) ah, the are programmers responsible for writing the docs. no wonder the docs are thin. then it's settled.. the new doc team will be championed by alandd and LuftHans.. :) Action: Vee2d2 hands out copies of OOo and heads to bed nite [01:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). I'll help with the docs, but first I have to understand how it works... the down side of FS, suggest something and the answer is not "maybe we'll do that someday" but is "why don't you get started on it." What language is the gnue source code? Action: alandd I should just go look at it... python jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit jcater didn't stay long. I don't know python. perhaps I should learn... alandd: just sent you a shell script for gettting GNUe from CVS. cool. I'll watch for it. LuftHans: You said "The last line, which is commented out, is the install command to use from within each of the directories that'll be created." so I run that line in each subdirectory? yup I think that's how I use it, that is :) be prepared to tell it where to install I put everything under ~/lokal/apps/gnue the same problem happened on a PIII 800 still your box? still debian? all i did was swap hard drivers err hard drives would a celeron processor really lag that badly/ so that would be yes and yes :) i was told in benchmarks P4 celeron 2.4 was = to a P4 1.8 reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. the bogomips you showed were normal LuftHans: slurping now... LuftHans: It keeps asking for passwords. What do I enter? hit return OK high security in GNUe ;-) Luft any other ideas? LuftHans: go it. I'll do more with it tomorrow. The bed is demanding attention! PM: not really alandd: gute N8. alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-43-139.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" anybody got some example pre-query triggers? ok questions here we go i compiled the kernel with P4 support was i supposed? or compile it with celeron ?? if it's a P4, then add P4 support model name is celeron, though... debian appears to make one kernel for celeron and PIV, and others kernel-image-2.4.21-3-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.21 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. where can i get that it's been a while since I felt the need to compile my own kernel... hmm so if i compiled it with P4 suppor that might be the problem? $ apt-cache search ^kernel-image-2.4.21 s/apt-cache/feta/ if you have it installed I don't know can you enable both PIV and Celeeron? are you using kernel-package? ( ) Pentium-Pro/Celeron/Pentium-II x x x x (X) Pentium-III/Celeron(Coppermine) kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages. you should also be able to search from within synaptic i know how to use that how do i know if its a coppermine that should show up in /proc/cpu, maybe also in 'uname -a' processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 2 model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz stepping : 9 cpu MHz : 2388.351 cache size : 8 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm bogomips : 4757.91 I'd try Celeron time to pass out ty later man Packet-Man (SNA@adsl-65-43-75-244.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left irc: mortal (~mortal@fk25.netikka.fi) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all hello thierry hello dimas Nick change: SachaZzzz -> SachaS Nick change: SachaS -> sacha-movie reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect." thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sacha-movie (~Sacha@dialup-196-190.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) mortal (~mortal@fk25.netikka.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Vee2d2 has gotten more done this morning than he has all week.. ;( R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon414.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2: bad week? just going 100mph to nowhere kind of week jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "work" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Vee2d2 (~vin@66.169.136.41) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: you run a dual amd box somewhere? lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. yes jcater: any problems with it? which mb? Action: Vee2d2 is pondering going SMP again with the next box um lots of issues but I don't know what when all my users get on it will stay up a max of 2-3 days then kernel panic or lockup jamest has had similar issues w/his but at the same time, he has identical machines that run non-stop Action: jcater just doesn't know hw's fsckd like that sometimes.. I've been loosing confidence in this machine ever since my drive died last feb.. thinking I might just build a new one and make this a really nice workstation.. ;) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) left irc: lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. it's a lot of hw that's fscked then i have 5 asus a7m266-d boxes some running 2200, 1500, 1800(?) all micron memory wd hard drives ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-243-118.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 1 is like a rock 2 is like used toilet tissue soaked in a bucket of urine 3 is 90% fine 4-5 are 99.9% fine meaning on rare occasion they do (once or twice) what #2 did almost daily i'd consider them solid if it wasn't so much like #2 behaviour mine is #2 ;) I swear my server goes down more than mettalica *rimshot* lol #2 was > 1 a day crash until i removed load now it's fine reminds me of my old sco box I ended up putting an "init 6" in my crontab job at 3:00am (reboot) you know you loved it so it'd reboot proactively at night jcater: !! jcater: As disgusting as that is, at least it was unixy enough that you *could* do it. it was quite discusting and it's taken me, what, 7 years to admit that in public jcater: It's ok bro. Let it out. We are here for you. Action: dsmith wonders about 12-step programs for sco admins. jamest: looks like a nice board from their site.. I was looking to see if there were bios updates and if they were very well documented but got lost.. heh.. it was a nice board and to be honest #4 and #5 are nice machines they run really well most the time they they've been thru hell they are not where i have easy access so we went thru a period of time where one would lock about once a day without warning had on site person check the cooling fans discovered they only saw 1 of the fans and didn't know there was other one seems we slow baked a cpu for a few weeks :) but she still runs! ooooo also watch the chipsets in the kernel readme they talk about certain chipset (the one I have) giving lockups if no mouse connected i noticed that this summer and have hooked a mouse to my machine we'll see how she does in the fall see.. hw is just generally flaky, IMO.. you just need to get a nice sparc I have one.. sparc1 at that.. ;) it's in the garage collecting dust and i bet it still works yes it does. the 19" hitachis I have for it are ovens though and weigh close to what a new VW bug does 85# :) I've got a 13w3(?) to vga connector somewhere though.. bought it to use the ovens on a pc, but I guess it would work the other way around, too.. i used pc monitors on suns with those I use a sun monitor w/my PC at home that damn big dongle adapter always falls out though whenever the cat gets under my desk :( jamest, Thank You :) dcmwai: thank cater, he da cron god :) heyla jamest, jcater jamest: popy2.1pre2 in starting blocks :) hey howdy hey thierry: great anyone tested the latest pre-releases? Action: jcater listens to the wind whistle in #gnuenterprise no Action: dsmith make wind sound !! Action: chillywi1ly blows farts into the wind eeew Sticky s key ummm...that's sick dude ;) chillywi1ly: You are bad I was making wind blowing sounds. jamest heard them. Cool! The kernel build! t Bah! bah? Action: Vee2d2 listens to sounds of sheep grazing on the #gnuenterprise prairies mooooooo oops, wrong animal baaaaaaaah Action: jamest eyes the sheep with suspicion mention a release and the ruminants start showing up dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.193) left irc: "Client exiting" Bah. I stall can't type s/stall/still/ see is 'distinct' in the datasource supposed to only return unique entries, e.g. leave out dups? i don't recall that's what it does in postgresql, but it's row based and I want to drop dups out of a particular column distinct="Y" causes things to bork anyway, "where( 1 = 0 )" is unlikely to ever happen... distinct="Y" is primarily for reports, iirc the "where ( 1 = 0) " is a trick we use to get the database to tell us what it would normally return so we can accurately create an empty result set Error: Error while communicating with datasource. ERROR: parser: parse error at or near "*" at character 23 SELECT count(distinct *) FROM restaurants WHERE ((1 = 0)) is there a way to put a unique on the dataset being shoved into a dropdown menu? hmmm Microsoft.com down: Starting at around 4pm (EDT) Microsoft.com, including all its websites and corporate email, is down. see other recent information involving: Microsoft thierry_ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. i wonder if we need to adjust that select to do thierry_ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Client Quit select count(distinct boundField1) from ......... Vee2d2: is that a permanent outtage? can a displaymask be used to mask out dups for that field? LuftHans: nope, masks are kind of a hack at the moment if my users would stop usering i'd try and fix this realy quick well, if they did work, is that something you could do with them? s/did work/& like you want them to/ dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" hard to say i commited start of a doc on masks in common gnue-common/doc/technotes/00010.txt based on new idea i had while walking who knew the big blue room could be so mentally stimulating validation is a good thing so you would create a mask object, then various other objects could be configured to be subject to the mask object, right? i was thinking other objects could use the mask object as they see fit true, sort mask, mask to translate public IP addy to private IP addy... most is probably best done at the db, but weird people like me want to do it client-side :) lol neilt (~neilt@ip68-98-172-167.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi neilt in this particular case I'm using the same data for two different self-populating drop downs, but I need different masks on both, it seems that client-side manipulation would be better than hitting the db twice hello then again, if it was a large dataset both would only be doing partial displays, so you couldn't do it at the client side... LuftHans: you can do things like Action: jamest rumages around a bit and build conditional filters on datasources would this work? that count(distinct *) is still a bug btw select * from event where event_type = 2 order by date? yip supports all kinds of stuff though etc etc lots of stuff not sure if they're in the docs but the place to look is but how would that keep out dup entries? it's in the forms doc it wouldn't, just for the 2 dropdowns needed 2 different things from same table ok, glimpseindexing gnue-common to look for that bug cross fingers that the users have settle down for the weekend ah, see what I want is one dropdown that has date and another that has genre, but I don't want each event in the dropdowns, I just want unique dates and genres, then when you choose a date or genre the record set that's returned is all of the events of that type Action: jamest luvs changing the DBSIG2 base driver in a prerelease cycle w00t! :) LuftHans: you're running cvs right? yeah, from last Fri as no code changes listed in common, designer or forms you just made a change? committing now ok, I'll co when you've got it in commited co or up? actually, up :) ok this should fix the select count(distinct but no idea if it'll make distinct do what you want :) but looking at the code all it does is add distinct to the std sql statement so it _should_ work :) ok, had two files change :) according to postgresql docs distinct is not std sql, so will that cause a prob with other databases? no one has complained yet :) i thought it was sql92 std though I just know what the pg docs said :) seems to be in the sql92 draft I have can I do a table="events:event_name,date,genre" for the datasource? what's that? table:field,field,field? yeah or some other mechanism to limit the datasource to certain fields? nope woohoo, it doesn't break :) the DISTINCT ON is listed as non-sql92 not DISTINCT nice and confusing that one :) hey, it does what I want, not what I thought it would do :) crap, that's a bug :) hmm, I'm now on record 5 of 2... lol crap!!!!!!!!!!! my fix....didn't Action: jamest was being dumb and now trying to get len() of unsized object this might be the same changeFocus bug I was running into earlier ( not that I told anyone about that one ) ok, looks like that's related to the 'blank record at the end of the set' bug I reported to forms-support yesterday we support forms? yeah, using underwires Action: jamest will flog whoever started that trend Derek's fault bingo! man, i can't think of a quick fix for my quick fix nothgin that is portable as this isn't value valid select count(distinct school_name,entry_date) from school; but in pgsql this is select count(distinct school_name||entry_date) from school; but I seriously doubt oracle will be happy with that or mysql and I can't use subselects as an out who cares about Larry Ellison? :) as mysql doesn't do them jcater does as they use Larry's product to function :) the only fix I can come up with is crap which would be to perform the query and interate thru the cursor counting i can't recall why but the sql drivers don't always give they right count neilt1 (~neilt@ip68-98-172-167.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (~neilt@ip68-98-172-167.nv.nv.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection neilt1 (~neilt@ip68-98-172-167.nv.nv.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) oy are you trying to find distinct on the combo of school_name and entry_date or the max distinct between the two? 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R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon575.tstt.net.tt) left irc: jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-19.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-19.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" sacha: jo momma LuftHans: you can'y back out and update ;) buuuuurp hi chillywi1ly hey ok, this time I am going to watch all of Stargate SG-1 be back in ~1hr bah, it's not on yet tehee Action: chillywi1ly smacks Vee2d2 around with a smelly trout alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-43-139.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Another quiet night on the gnue ranch... Action: alandd it is Friday, after all. alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-43-139.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" --- Sat Aug 2 2003