they had me wait as they still dont have room for me yet.. ;) playing tomorrow by ear as well noticed new docs so I'm up'ing to check 'm out.. yeah just uploaded latest pdfs, as a matter of fact ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms/ for our irc-log viewers) :) jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "sleep" sku = stock keeping unit right? yep must be. and each item in stock has a sku number. derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi derek hi SachaS derek: we've been spreading rumors about you hi LuftHans hopefully they were nice and gushy as the real me is quite boring hmmm i love when clients pass me windows virii that don't affect me hallo SachaS derek: announced the workshop at the devel mtg cool i just sent you an email on it w00t, got the hurd installed on this lappy in a spare partition Action: derek notes the tone is probably nasty sounding (though not meant to be overtly so) Action: derek is not in a good mood in general right now probably should go vent in blog LuftHans: yesterday you told me you are going to get involved in an inventory project. Action: LuftHans goes and checks his email again LuftHans: I am curious. How do you know, how an inventory system works? SachaS: I don't, but I won't let that stand in my way :) derek: got your mail, will respond in a few SachaS: they currently are using vb and m$access, it seems to be a fairly simple setup with some somewhat complex forms I figure I can reimpliment what they have. I'll fix a couple of UI probs ( dual-entry in several places ) and give them a more stable environment LuftHans: I see :) I see. hopefully it leads to further work, some of which might be in actually developing GNUe/GNUe SB eg. i have to implement an inventory system. so my first question is: what is an inventory system. and then you have 10 people and 10 different views of what an inventory system is :) it really depends that is like asking what is 'position control' it means different things to different people depending on vertical industry exactly and size of business a retail business thinks of inventory a bit differently than say a manufacturer yes and a manufacturer that only 'assembles' things bought from other people might think of inventory different from the manufacturer that actually fabricates their own products from raw material or such though i think they are all very similar yes what do you suggest how to deal with this problem ? find the similarities. and then the specialties ? depends the best way to learn is by doing the problem is to get "learned" you have to be exposed to large numbers of installations yeah good answer if you were to do the gnue-proper way you would study every business you could find write lots of white papers and ask any and everyone to comment and try to build the largest tome of knowledge you could to begin an implemenation with if you do it the gnue-sb way you find one customer willing to use it TODAY implement for them and then when the next guy comes along learn the differences add them to your package and refine rinse and repeat with every customer until you have something that appears to be working for 80% of the people untouched i.e. SAP and friends didnt get where they were over night it took 25 years of 'soap, lather, rinse, repeat' for them too :) true your doing both ways ;) sb and proper gnue ok. back to some reading. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/industry/08/05/linux.software.ap/index.html $500,000 for a test, though :( SachaS: yes as both ways have merit one is faster than the other one is probably a "cleaner" way reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. griassle reinhard reinhard: says he refuses to speak german with you unless you use that cool austrian "hick" accent like arnold has ;) so reinhard, what would the austrian papers write if Arnold was elected the first austrian born governor of california ;) they would be mostly proud i fear ;-) "better them than us" :) what'll they write if Larry Flynt wins? lol johannesX (~johannes@M1263P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. warning: install: modules installed to '/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/', which is not in Python's module search path (sys.path) -- you'll have to change the search path yourself where is sys.path on debian unstable with python 2.2 ? sys.path is a python variable ajmitch where do I have to set the variable? in python :) but if you're starting gnue apps with the scripts, you don't need it afaik :) ajmitch. thanks hey, is there a non-gui interface for running the forms? -u curses Action: LuftHans is looking at the new Developers-Guide oh way non gui as no interaction? you could make python scripts that use common and have them be unattended ooh, wow, fun blowup... curses is what I wanted curses was poorly maintained for a long time then it got a lot of attention just before 0.5.0 and was brought to a nearly working state but likely with the changes in cvs it has fallen to less than maintained again scripted would be cool too, but right now in an xterm over ssh would be mucho awesome :) but shouldnt need a ton of work to get it going again LuftHans: i regularly make ssh tunnels to postgres db and run gtk client locally to ssh tunnelled postgres over net not putting it in the background helps too :) and honestly its so seamless i dont notice that its not on my local net LuftHans: yeah kind of hard to do data entry in a curses& mode ;) derek: yeah, but I like options, options are good :) options for failed companies, however, are worthless :( well they pay for recyclable paper dont they :) I don't even have paper copies BTW, I'm one bug away from being able to do this in PHP Action: LuftHans turns up the heat ;-). evil if you want to use php thats fine with me i dont have time to help get you up to speed with GNU Enterprise right away DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/designer/base/tools/SchemaNavigator.py", line 52, in ? 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R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon204.tstt.net.tt) left irc: dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port30.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port30.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Vee2d2 i see you are active in building/discussing an inventory system (plus-minus) sure cool. you guys doing arias/gnue-sb at moment. integration of arias into gnue-sb? or checking how things are done in arias and aking the good things and forgetting the bad things? I'm not, in particular, but I believe jcater is working on that to some extent jcater works on everything, he's not human I intend to do some of that when I get moving again ;) but no one believes me donut powered codebot exactly have people tested the pre-releases? Action: SachaS installed cvs-hourly snapshot today. if we follow gnue tradition then the answer should be "no, i use cvs" install process was fine :) subversions sucks today. Action: SachaS just found Mikes gnue-sb feature list jamest: I looked for them breifly last night with that intent but didnt find them http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/downloads.php the pre-releases link Vee2d2 i like your list SachaS: it'd be nice to embellish it some more.. Vee2d2 I downloaded the tarball from gnue-sb today, they are the cvs files ... Vee2d2 guess I have to put it into my cvs server, and then check them out locally SachaS: I think that's not working properly, it'd be best to just check it out damnit now subversions refuses ssh and rsh connections a.k.a. "no updates" lupo__: yea, seems to be afu atm. ;) Vee2d2: i need uuuuupdates! fast! *dyingfromoldversions* oh wait i think it's working again. WHOHO! lol what you cvs up'n? Vee2d2 you got the two liner for cvs checkout of gnue-sb? jamest: whaddayamean? Vee2d2 got it. SachaS: https://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=gnue-sb gives you the skinny, I think Vee2d2: i need uuuuupdates! fast! *dyingfromoldversions* jamest: /me wants new versions from gnue and wants to up fsfe/projects/education stuff. Vee2d2 you guys working against gnue cvs in gnue-sb? what is arias? SachaS: I am, but I think anyone useing 0.5.x should be ok cool. Vee2d2 the schema describes the database, eg tables etc? wow designer can read schemas. SachaS: yip SachaS: what distro you running? jamest: debian unstable gnue-schema, i think i am impressed :9 i think i am excited SachaS: are you talking about the schema navigator in designer? Vee2d2 yes and the gnue-schema tool Vee2d2 schema navigator .. actually object navigator when i open a gsd file just inserted a table, guess i cannot add a field yet to that new table ? no problem interesting.. I've never used this aspect of designer I have been using things like psql, phppgadmin, phpmyadmin and the like to manage the actual tables and then use designer to bring them into the gnue world :) lxf (~knoppix@202.73.120.115) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning jcater morning jamest you get your what tis arias question answered? Action: Vee2d2 missed that oh, heh.. I see it now Action: Vee2d2 is doing too many things at once dneighbo: no arias.sf.net reincarnation of nola why's it in gnue-sb cvs? and what's it's status? hey dneighbo jamest: they are merging w/gnue-sb the foolz! er, i mean good we are taking their AP/GL/AR schema and combining w/our Contacts and Item management what's the status of all this? same as the status of all our stuff "Started" Action: jcater ducks :) started as in gnue-desginer started I've done a few forms or as in gnue-nav started not sure if I've committed them or not ah more like gnue-reports started some usable stuff but not ready for the masses well, i need inv control/shipping dept stuff ASAP ooooo with barcoding picklists etc well, that's outside of the arias merge that's what Vee2d2 has been working on pester him i'm willing to bet alot of this i can put into gnue-sb mommy! here Vee2d2, Vee2d2, Vee2d2 nice Vee2d2 net? what net? I'm somewhat in the same boat as LuftHans, trying to get myself up to a useable speed. Hoping I might have a chance to kick it some more one or more of the evenings this week, will be going out of town again this weekend... wish I had a useable laptop :( yeah i think that needs are similar across the board is arias a bit closer to international usage than initial gnue-sb design? jcater: is there schema stuff in designer in cvs to 'create' tables? ? Action: dneighbo is going to whip up a "registration" database for GNU Enterprise training classes needing to know if designer will let me make a table or if i need to emacs up an xml file ;) there are designer wizards that extract a schema from a database this works reasonably well but aside from that, no dneighbo: appears so.. file->new->schema I could add a table but ... no fields for that table. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yeah, I've been so focused on forms support in designer i haven't done much on schema support was not a complaint, just a question when i generate sql code thats all naked tables without any functions and the like; because you want to have the functions in triggers (not down in the database)? to be able to support several databases? hello SachaS I see you talking about inventory :) dcmwai a little any suggestion/comment it's a hot topic lately DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 84, in addAction DB000: parent.AppendItem(item) DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/windows.py", line 815, in AppendItem DB000: val = apply(windowsc.wxMenu_AppendItem,(self,) + _args, _kwargs) DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7/src/gtk/menu.cpp(1460): unknown keyboard accel Vee2d2, That is your problem isn't :) damn... SachaS, I've been wroking with arias to change it db so that a work order can be done when doing a PO wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7 ??? I'm only using pyton 2.2 why use 2.4??? 2 different things Action: Vee2d2 gets something to eat dcmwai: cvs update and try again jcater, Just did that update before I post the problem.. dcmwai: 2.4 is the wxPython version, not the required Python version! dcmwai: update again Action: dcmwai supect that this is cause by python... will do update it's actually caused by GTK not wx or python which is what makes it so hard to fix as we don't deal w/GTK directly Action: dcmwai feel programming in Linux (under GUI) is Very Hard is it fixed? still a NO :( what are you getting now? jcater, Which line you want.. last :) DB000: self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name, parent, userAction) DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 83, in addAction DB000: parent.AppendItem(item) DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/windows.py", line 815, in AppendItem DB000: val = apply(windowsc.wxMenu_AppendItem,(self,) + _args, _kwargs) DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7/src/gtk/menu.cpp(1460): unknown keyboard accel jcater, Guess what... jcater, I finnaly solve this damn problem... cvs update again how? gnue-forms/src/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py" Line 59 -60 the keys comment them and jobs done.. :) um no cvs update and try aggain Damn ... Python... why don't they say so in the first place.. jcater, Yes it does.. yes it does what? jcater, should I remove the files I modified as it will me merge. I'm sure that stops the bug but I don't think that's an acceptable fix s/me/be yeah, remove your files or file jcater, Let try.. jcater, did we have any there choices? other then python? ? you are talking to a big fan of python so that's a loaded question jcater, NAN.. not working.. what error now? DB000: self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name, parent, userAction) DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 88, in addAction DB000: item.SetLabel(altlabel) DB000: AttributeError: wxMenuItem instance has no attribute 'SetLabel' hang on.... Action: dcmwai bag, please don't hang me :) beg/// jcater, did we have any other better gui? or ... well hum... nan that is not an options.. we're workong on native GTK, curses, native Win32, QT 3 so, yeah but wx has given us the biggest bang for the buck initially on great ... but it will be so lot more harder isn't it? biggest bang for for buck? s/on/Oh ... it got us on the most possible platforms with the least amount of effort cvs update and try again wx works on windows, *nix, and MacOS X oh great. "Run Form" doesn't work this week? DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_commonGuiToolkit/MenuBar.py", line 107, in __createmenu DB000: self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name, parent, userAction) DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 88, in addAction DB000: item.SetName(altlabel) DB000: AttributeError: wxMenuItem instance has no attribute 'SetName' wtf? yes it does damn.. did they just change the ssh keys again? ;) Vee2d2: yep. jcater: Do I have to save the file first? save what file? does the 'Run Form' in designer read the file from disk or designer? before calling the "Run Form" menu item oh the Run Form menu item may or may not work I was working on it recently trying to get it to work again :) ah okay :) dcmwai: forth time's a charm? cvs update and try again hey, you've done some error checking in forms. looks good :) jcater, Best way to quit gnue without error, click on the link that don't have the files :) ToyMan (~stuq@170-215-241-28.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" DB000: self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name, parent, userAction) DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 89, in addAction DB000: parent.AppendItem(item) DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/windows.py", line 815, in AppendItem DB000: val = apply(windowsc.wxMenu_AppendItem,(self,) + _args, _kwargs) DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7/src/gtk/menu.cpp(1460): unknown keyboard accel jcater, you are in a loop... damn I hate GTK [11:17] Last message repeated 4 time(s). piece of crap toolkit love is in the air.. Even if you hate it I'm or We are still using it. cvs update, try again ah, hang on I see a typo ok, now cvs update and try again Action: dcmwai today jobs... cvs update :) well, I don't have a machine to repeat this bug on :( so you are my machine today Ah.... DB000: self.__actionMap[userAction.event] = self.addAction(name, parent, userAction) DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 85, in addAction DB000: self.addAction(name, parent, userAction, _skipHotkey=1) DB000: File "/share/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/MenuBar.py", line 79, in addAction DB000: parent.AppendItem(item) DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/windows.py", line 815, in AppendItem DB000: val = apply(windowsc.wxMenu_AppendItem,(self,) + _args, _kwargs) DB000: wxPython.wxc.wxPyAssertionError: C++ assertion "wxAssertFailure" failed in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/wxPythonSrc-2.4.0.7/src/gtk/menu.cpp(1460): unknown keyboard accel Well I do.. jcater, you mind I give you an ssh account to have fun with it :) sure just set my pass word to: GTKmustDieDieDIeDie (just joking) QT is much better, from a development standpoint *much* better GTK likes to second guess what I'm doing which is very frustrating QT is designed very well IMHO anyway I agree (having used both QT and GTK) porting to win32 is also much easier w/ QT tacodog (~ahulaton@dsl093-077-251.sea2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. does schema-navigator in designer look at the database tables and create the schema accordingly?