brainOs Vee2d2, Woo that is nice one :) dneighbo, hehe, retaina scanning you are talkin? careful, you'll poke an eye out Action: Vee2d2 puts some safety goggles on Vee2d2, Buy one for your wife :) barcode reader? Action: Vee2d2 has a few.. they're all kb wedges but work ok.. hmm.. on-startup. that's where I left off.. Vee2d2, No.. the safety goggle :) ahh.. :) I guess now my two biggest rough spots now with the tools is the broke firing order of the triggers (on-startup doesnt fire first, as it should) which will probably be fixed post 0.5.1.. and the lack of format masks (my timeclock form is all but helpful if it dont tell me times. ;) rofl did they mention the problem with the on-startup? Action: Vee2d2 puts dneighbo back in his chair dneighbo: well, jcater said he has thought of a way to fix it, but it's likely to break things so he wants to hold off until after this point release. ok Action: dneighbo somewhat remembers where those fire, so was considering looking at it I'm thinking there's probably a way to do what I want, but my brain insists on using on-startup but if they say it needs some rework, they have already looked :) I need to clear my white board and put everything up there to mentally soak in it for a bit phppgadmin 3.0 sure is sharp looking Vee2d2, anything I can help... I always have "Great" idea :) and a sharp mind too :) it's unfortunate I cant copy & paste from my dryboard.. ;) s/;)/;(/ Hum there should be some software like a whiteboard for developer... :) which we can chat, Draw, and making fun of :) I think there is, but that defeats the purpose of my white board.. the information I just put up there is on my computer and has been for some time.. but somehow standing up there writing it out and sitting back down here and being able to stare at it all right there in front of me at once is easier for me to work with Vee2d2: get a dual-head setup and use the second monitor as your white board ;-) LuftHans: my whiteboard is about 7' wide and 5' tall ok, get a big monitor or multiple and use xinerama Action: Vee2d2 ponders if you could rig up a projector in a dualhead scenerio how many whiteboards have fractal board savers? :) sure so now I just need a couple/few grand .. ;) my point of white board is only for developer to excahnge idea.. Non permanent... at the same time when we are talking like Now :) whiteboards have their use I don't see how a computer would ever replace it ;) it's just like Vee2d2 said, there's something about writing stuff out on it, pacing around trying to work some stuff out in your head...or working with someone else on a white board bouncing idead off one another ideas* nite chillywilly, sure do, a whiteboard in the computer is just use to make commnnication like a whiteboard. Nothing more. :) Vee2d2, Night. dcmwai: yea, but if the people are physically near each other than you document it later ;) chillywilly, Me document it later... 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Action: dcmwai is away: I'm busy Action: dcmwai is back (gone 00:00:08) 07is now playing: 10(110/142) [Without You - Mariah Carey] (3:32/128kbps/3.24MB) Action: Vee is listening to fans blow hot air around in his 90 degree office with the broked air conditioning Vee Who is Vee.. is Vee and Vee2d2 are the same guy? 07is now playing: 10(092/142) [Nothing's Gonna Chanhe My Love - Glenn Medeiros] (3:46/128kbps/3.46MB) dcmwai, yes Vee Different computer? I'm at the office now Action: dcmwai at last see Vee Working :) i forgot who is who :( office at 90 degree... Hum... hello SachaS, you should be here often then you know they are :) but I see you are always here :) Action: dcmwai hate the system when sendmail is running behind.... dcmwai_ (~dcmwai@219.95.59.29) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.246) left irc: Nick collision from services. Nick change: dcmwai_ -> dcmwai am I disc again :( Action: dcmwai is away: bath lxf (~knoppix@202.73.120.115) left irc: Remote closed the connection dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.59.29) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dcmwai when you were designing arias did you look at standards? oops he just left is LuftHans here? Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.36) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wb dcmwai Hello SachaS, Damn ISP kept kicking me off the net :( dcmwai when you were designing arias did you look at standards? Action: SachaS is browsing United Nations sites for the last 3 hours. SachaS, Well the ture is that I wasn't the founder of aria SachaS, Aria was develop by Noguska, a guy name Rayan Fox dcmwai i see. do you know did they check standards to define certain types (date or address) Josh was working with the company, and the company just ask him to maintain it when fox leave aria was always free? SachaS, Yes... SachaS, should be say is always GPL :) SachaS, let me complete the story :) SachaS, at that time I was evaluating Aria for my company use and I find it farily simple so I use it and submit bug doing all kind of customization... and a New release is there. Nothing is fix, Nothing is new and I'm frastrustred. hmm ok. go ahead So I shoot them on aria ;) then Josh reply to me and help solve some of the major problem. and josh tell me that Noguska is going to drop this project... so we setup a new things then suddendly, josh was fire (not due to this but unreasonable) and then we continuate the development... until. NOW :) SachaS, That all :) how old is aria? SachaS, so as I know there are many stuff didn't work on aria and I'll have to fix all stuff is there still a website of aria? SachaS, sure :) www.aria-erp.org (new register) we are 6 month old :) s/month/months wow ok i thought like a couple of years. still young :) SachaS, Well if you included Nola it would be much more longer :) aria is based on nola? Action: SachaS on aria homepage hmmm i see. is nola still active? SachaS, Yes... so if you don't like nola, you might try aria :) SachaS, they are going for nola-pro... www.nola-pro.com i see they closed the sources? However... Nola is not a good / final product... SachaS, as I know it is still under GPL (if they say it right) september 15th, thats soon :) SachaS, Yes... SachaS, it nola-pro is good enough, it might put an end to aria life :( bad news :) something I don't like about gnue cvs... the files gcvs is overwrited my gcvs (Gnome CVS) ... for the printing industry .. was a concern once (i read on gnue somewhere). do you know if nola-pro is for the general audience? SachaS, Not sure... ok. looks like they have employees working on nola-pro thanks dcmwai. SachaS, There is always one... which don't like Opensource much :) our installation script is written by him :) who? oh you mean opensource vs free software? SachaS, No... He don't like opensource/free software at all. I've forget his name... we use his installation script by his permission :) gnue installation script? qnevermind :) ok i see the story now (i think). should have read the irc logs ;) but this way is a little faster. thanks again dcmwai SachaS, You are most welcome. If you have any suggestion on aria, Bug me for it. :) Aria have too less userfeedback :( hmm. dcmwai: is your company using aria? SachaS, If you want a demo... have a look on http://www.aria-erp.org/demo/ username admin password password SachaS, Yes but I'm not on a company. I'm on a NON-Profit Organization SachaS, I'm still getting it done so the demo site may sometime be....off :) 07is now playing: 10(047/142) [What's up - 4 Non Blondes] (4:08/128kbps/3.80MB) dcmwai: thanks. SachaS, You are welcome. anyone know python well is here? <|Jef|> python question... <|Jef|> debian seems to have /usr/lib/libpython2.2.so.0.0 redhat's python doesnt seem to have that <|Jef|> any ideas? From redhat :) no idea. SachaS, played with it? any idea? i use debian so mostly i just apt-get packages ... damn I cant get cvs access from the web server... it is killing... I've update manually by hands all time :( Oh no... oh. Action: dcmwai hate sourceforge CVS :( dcmwai. the baria business logic is all over in the php files? SachaS, again.... again? baria business logic is all over in the php files??? ahh. the nature of php applications - the php script in the php page gets executed when accessed. so when a php page gets called the script does its job and returns the result page eg returns result page ... writes html out SachaS, Yes SachaS, So the overhead on the php and DB access is there . SachaS, and arias say to be multi user and I found that if you user changine something that affect the other end... You better get your DB admin ready... You will need a repair :) haha dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai: actually you might have to think hard how to avoid those kind of problems. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard SachaS, well I can't I'll need a rewrite for that.... SachaS, That why before we got gnue-sb, Josh and I is thinking about rewrite aria using Smarty template (PHP) and highly use CSS, Dhtml which will decrase the load of the server. But ... somehow... It was stopped due to man power shortage. dcmwai: i was looking at some code ; some code of aria yes SachaS, please... There is someone broken my code again :( ? SachaS, I meant please tell me what you think.. and someone have broken the code... making things unrunable.. :( not much documentation in the code mostly sql queries in php scripts and if then else statements :) and echo statements what i like is: for invoice you have about 13 php files sort of separation :) looks like when you handle those 13 files you handle invoice. SachaS, well.. you don't know.. it is like hell... in these files. SachaS, well only 1 files is doing everytimg.. time different files do different stuff time? where is it? s/everytimg/everytime :) oh ;) yep. < dcmwai> SachaS, well.. you don't know.. it is like hell... in these files. haha R46 (~rastabeen@cuscon2230.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. haha That is ture .. I don't lie... Just like getting hands in other people deep shit :) makes me think in gnue-sb the logic will be in the elements in each form??? do you know anything about gnue-sb business logic? well off to bed its 3.15am Nick change: SachaS -> Sacha_Zzz Nick change: dcmwai -> dcmwai_Zzzz Me too :) R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon1673.tstt.net.tt) left irc: No route to host Action: dcmwai_Zzzz is away: Sleeping . ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" why does this scare the crap out of me --wS------ 1 50536 34968 3311962240 Nov 7 1938 /var/lib/dpkg/info/scrollkeeper.postrm haha Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. R46 (~rastabeen@cuscon2230.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: ! yes mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection jamest: Very very weird. Who is 50536 ? 1938? !! What's up with that? jamest: Are you using a weird fs? Like ext3 or reiser or something? weird? ext3 this machine is now fried ext3 == ext2 + journal Vee: I still don't really trust ext3 yet. it was the woody -> unstable dist-upgrade now I'm in a wack state this machine I'm on now is a woody->sid.. but there wasnt much woody when it happened i can't install one package gnumeric i can't remove it and everything else is hanging because of it what about XFS? ;) jamest: Just remove it by hand. jamest, time to call upon a dpkg --force-sompn? ext3 works well for me everywhere, but there was a time when we had a problem package in woody dsmith: ? dpkg -r gnumeric fails jamest: "dpkg -L gnumeric | xargs rm" or something. that'll remove the indicator that it's installed? no jamest: And then clean up all the junk in /var/lib/dpkg/info jamest: And there was something else. Action: dsmith can't remember what's the error on trying to remove the package? jamest: There are backup files in /var/lib/dpkg/ , *-old jamest: And they are text files, so you can edit them by hand if you need to. if it's something simlilar to that scrollkeeper file, move the file out of the way and force reinstall the package dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute old pre-removal script: Permission denied then dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnumeric_1.1.19-1_i386.deb (--unpack): there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Permission denied I've had to hack the pre-removal script once so I could remove a package chillywilly: Yes. an "exit 0" works well. heck I thibk I just rm'd it it kept returning some error Ya, I've rm'ed the packages, and then the various install scripts. And then I would --force the install of the new package. alsa I belive. The remove scripts were very broken. But who would ever want to remove a package anyway? ;^) taking it out of status seems to work jamest: You can edit the status file Too slow did it jamest: You are now enjoying the foresight of the Debian Dudes. rpm uses binary databases that cant be fixed, except by rpm. And if rpm is hozed.... a binary database is faster though chillywilly: I'll take reliabaily over speed any day. file I/O is slow in comparison to a binary database well I am not arguing in favor of thr rpm way but that is the only rationale I can see for them usong a binary database i like text files alot me too but I can also deal with postgres too ;) or even the dreaded mysql ;) Now that's different. chillywilly: I think that pg and mysql dump to text files for backup/replication, don't they? yes There you go. That's it then. sure text rules...duh Well, I'm off home. jamest: Enjoy your Debian! dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "For each complex problem, there is a simple, understandable, obvious, and wrong solution." enjoy my debian....? 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