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<dcmwai> Now only awake SachaS :)
<SachaS> hi dcmwai.
<SachaS> how are you?
<dcmwai> SachaS, fine..
<dcmwai> don't know why but seem that there are alot of code in aria cvs is broken :(
Action: dcmwai is working on  it...
<SachaS> whats the strategy of gnue-sb and aria? keep to develop both in parallel?
<dcmwai> SachaS, No.. when gnue-sb have a web base support aria will be drop
<SachaS> dcmwai web based  mainly php?
<SachaS> orother web frontends?
<dcmwai> SachaS, That is still yet to be discuss, but for what I know, it will be using application server + XML to provided that.
<SachaS> any i guess :)
<dcmwai> so that everything can be put direct to the web.
<SachaS> xml and xslt ?
<SachaS> xml + xslt => html
<SachaS> including forms (buttons, textareas, pulldown etc)
<dcmwai> Don't know, we didn't talk much on that... because we know There MUST be a way... :)
<SachaS> true. i am looking a little at www.xwt.org as well ... but lots of ways.
<dcmwai> somehow triggle is very hard on Web base... 
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<SachaS> triggle ?? triggers?
<dcmwai> like you click on the vendor, fill in the number, vendor data will be fill auto... that is very hard
<dcmwai> oh yes triggers :)
Action: dcmwai is sorry for his "English spelling"
<dcmwai> damn I've got a logout problem :(
<dcmwai> hum...
<dcmwai> nvm.. time will go :)
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<Arturas> Hello
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<jamest> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=74050&cid=6646606
Action: jamest sneaks away before certain people follow the link
<Vee>  hahaha
<LuftHans> that's why we have the Grand Canyon, blocks all that crap from the north
<chillywilly> HEH
<dsmith> streamtuner live365plugin groovy
<chillywilly> what?
<chillywilly> speak enlgish Dale
<chillywilly> ;P
<dsmith> Mmmm.
<dsmith> chillywilly: I just installed streamtuner with the live365 plugin.  Now I can get to asr without all that gook.
<chillywilly> ast?
<chillywilly> asr
<dsmith> chillywilly: attention span radio
<chillywilly> what's streamtuner?
<chillywilly> radio tuner software?
<dsmith> chillywilly: http://www.attentionspanradio.net/
<dsmith> chillywilly: Yes. tunes in to streams.
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<jamest> LuftHans: you're from AZ?
<LuftHans> jamest: I live near Derek, it's his fault that I'm here :)
<chillywilly> haha
<jamest> damn!
Action: chillywilly knew this
<chillywilly> where you been jamest 
Action: SachaS is suspicious
<SachaS> i close all mozilla clients
<SachaS> as root i open up mozilla
<SachaS> then as non-root (sacha user account) i open up mozilla
<SachaS> in the non-root (sacha user) mozilla window I can see at root owned files (permission rwx------) 
<SachaS> i dont understand why
<SachaS> if i do a ps aux
<SachaS> mozilla-bin only shows up running as root
<SachaS> so the non-root (sacha user) can use mozilla with root priviliges
<SachaS> am i missing something???
Action: SachaS using mozilla-browser-snapshot of debian unstable
<SachaS> can anyone confirm/replicate my problem?
<SachaS> chillywilly?
<SachaS> :)
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<chillywilly> I use galeon
<SachaS> chillywilly if you run galeon as root first and then fire up another galeon with a user account, do you have two galeons running as root?
Action: dsmith is using mozilla 1.3
<LuftHans> SachaS: make sure the root version really died
<LuftHans> netscape used to automagically connect to running browsers regardles of who owned them, I bet mozilla has the same problem
<SachaS> LuftHans: Oh its a common problem. then i am OK :)
<LuftHans> yeah, I used to have a bogus user setup to allow cookies, but external calls would work on either browser
<chillywilly> don't browser as root
<chillywilly> it's not a good idea anyway
<jamest> SachaS: iirc mozilla and friends scan for open windows on the current desktop
<chillywilly> running instances
<jamest> if they find an open window they communicate with it to say open another one
<dsmith> chillywilly: The problem is installing plugins and moz extensions.  You need to so that as root.
<chillywilly> not necessarily open windows
<jamest> same thing will happen if you run mozilla on a remote box
<jamest> then start local
<jamest> they both run from the remote 
<jamest> IIRC
<chillywilly> dsmith: I've never used an xpi so I never had to run things as root
<SachaS> jamest. ok.
<jamest> sigh
Action: jamest just noticed LuftHans answered that question
<SachaS> jamest i cannot install a theme in mozilla :( theme works for root but not for users
<jamest> don't look at me
<SachaS> :)
<jamest> i'm a konqueror user :)
<SachaS> ok.
<SachaS> ahh :)
<SachaS> ok.
<dsmith> I'm very impressed.  It's lame because it's all xml (which I hate) but it seems very stable.
<SachaS> dsmith: what is lame?
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<LuftHans> when I was imprisoned at Mot we had a bug report about netscape blowing up when run as root. My response was "good. you shouldn't be running X or a web browser as root."  :)
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<dsmith> SachaS: xml.  I like s-expressions better
Action: dsmith ducks
<SachaS> LuftHans. I used to run mozilla as root so i could install a theme. but yeah otherwise a root should not use the root user to browse.
<chillywilly> SachaS: not all of OS X is Free software
<SachaS> dsmitch ??? :) dont get it?
<SachaS> you referenced mozilla plugins and extensions as lame?
<LuftHans> SachaS: don't they have a real way to install the themes?
<jcater> haha
<jcater> http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/0803/07goat.html
<jcater> I want one
<dsmith> It used to be (netscape 4.xx) that Debian would not let you run netscape as root.
<jamest> jcater: well xmas is coming up and if you can keep the son alive till then to prove you're responsible then maybe we can look into it
<jamest> but you'll need to take care of it and keep it out of the code or it'll have to go
<jcater>  but, but, but
<jamest> no buts young man
<jamest> remember what happened with that coed you brought home
<jamest> oh wait, that's how you got the son in the first place
<jamest> nevermind
<jamest> RFID will stop terrorists
<jamest> new IT purchases will stop terrorists
<LuftHans> Ralph Forrester, Internet Detective?
<jamest> stopping drugs and piracy will cut funding to terrorists
<jcater> I think me getting a PS2 will stop terrorists
<jamest> jcater: it will
<jamest> you should buy 1 of each console and lots of games
<jamest> and a gameboy player
<jamest> so I won't be the only pathetic loser with a setup like that :)
Action: jamest needs to come up with an angle on this whole terrah thing
<jamest> it doesn't seem to require any basis in reality
<jamest> just lies and a desire to be rich
<jamest> i can do that
<jcater> jamest to cute chick: "Yeah, a midnight romp with me is a midnight romp against terrorism"
<jcater> which is as much a lie as the bush administration would provide
<jcater> as we all know, it'd be terror the next day
<jcater> when lindsay found out
<jcater> =)
<jamest> :)
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<SachaS> good night
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<dcmwai> http://www.attentionspanradio.net/ make me want to sleep... 
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