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'sup derek dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.81.234) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai, Yes Vee :) Vee & Vee2d2, any.... dcmwai, howdy Vee howdy :) Vee very redd? very free.... :) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. not at all, dcmwai. :( Vee Oh? busy on what ;) For those wondering, 2.3 does look defaultish in Debian for the next releast: http://people.debian.org/~joss/python-list.txt and that tells me? maybe? That it's already changed. =) aria demo site is on :) http://demo.aria-erp.org :) have a try :) Action: Vee is still waiting for the restof the python modules to get 2.3'ized.. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Action: jcater is waiting for libwxgtk2.4-python specifically Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: does this mean that we might see a sarge release soon where soon != debian or gnue definition of soon jamest: You know that theoretically, sarge can be released at any time. jamest: But the new install code isn't ready yet. (iirc) yeah i also know it's still at kde 2.2.x Action: dsmith is running testing IIRC woody was released when kde3 was out with 2.2 whine, whine, whine yip i love debian a hate the release cycle Action: chillywilly smacks jamest with a brick i don't mind behind behind the curve a little 10 years this 16th. Too Cool. a few days ago I saw some one on #redhat asking for help on python.. I think you guys should goto help (that is RHL developer that asking about different) but as it sits I'm located somwhere behind the curve, over the hill, 3 blocks left sitting in a car with cinder blocks for tires vroom! vroom! Action: dsmith heads out for some cheep chineeze jamest: Supposed to be this calendar year. I'm a bit behind on emails right now. jbailey: cool Action: dcmwai yawn.... goto help? /j #redhat? Action: dcmwai is going to sleep... reinhard: do y'all want us to release appserver anytime soon? might be if i can continue working on it like i can now I noticed lots of commits lately a release might be reade next week or the week after ready yes my customers are nice to me lately :) reinhard, oh that is something i want to heard, what happen? well everybody is on holdiay so i can work rather uninterrupted haha Action: dcmwai is away: Sleeping jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) got netsplit. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) got netsplit. dodji (~dodji@bo-117-254.businessobjects.com) got netsplit. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. johannesX (~johannes@M1261P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. SachaZzz (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) got netsplit. jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) got netsplit. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) got netsplit. 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I remember them doing that one time nah, lets throw it into production and bug the hell outta everyone whine, whine, whine bwahahahahahahahahaha Action: chillywilly smacks jamest hard http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=168695 cool Action: jamest can't wait for Debian/BSD why? dunno, just a thing I guess Hurd is still to bleeding edge for my tastes it is oskit-mach won't even boot for me and the people who I have gotten it to boot can get it to crash and reboot by breathing too hard on it s/I// the L4 port is at least a year away L4? a 2nd generation microkernel http://www.l4ka.org/ it's smaller and faster than Mach less system calls ipc is really fast too http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/hurd/hurd-l4/ a bootloader and start of a libc for L4 thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: "[x]chat" reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Yaay. Debian/BSD big woopdeedoo ;) didn't you know that BSD is dead? ;P I wish I could die as well as bsd. Wait, I *am* still growing. (sideways) hah Action: Vee checks out dsmiths lateral protrusions dodji ? dodji (~dodji@bo-117-254.businessobjects.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate." Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: "Client exiting" Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Client exiting" stormrider (~stormride@66.228.238.230) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: stormrider -> storm-away Nick change: storm-away -> stormrider stormrider (~stormride@66.228.238.230) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: derek knows chilly and jamest both use one, but i forget the name um apt-proxy is borken :( I've tried apt-proxy, apt-cacher and aptcached, all are not working and I don't have time to debug them before Thu night :( LuftHans: seems your system is frankenstien or your luck is worse than mine :) regards to broken stuff most things work apt-cacher and apt-proxy don't recover from half-downloaded packages aptcached has a memory sieve :( getting apt to follow redirects would be the best solution, but they don't seem to be interested in that :( bbiab jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-86.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-86.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-95.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) got netsplit. jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-86.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) got netsplit. 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Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-86.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) got lost in the net-split. jamest_ (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-86.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client exiting" jamest (~jamest@adsl-208-191-39-86.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mystikz (mark@219.95.20.151) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.164.243) joined #gnuenterprise. hey I see there is a phpfrom in the cvs server... what is that all about? someone one made attempt at php forms client siesel maybe? Action: jamest can't recall who maybe a job for... The IRC Captain Guy.. http://starterupsteve.servepics.com:60000/swf/cm.html? hum... fsck i had a 42MB .bz2 file i did bunzip2 dumpall.0811.bz2 now I have nothing no compressed or uncompressed file so I must ask "wtf?" jamest: how strange :) been there it was a long time ago though.. good thing it was a backup of a production database and not anything important Vee2d2: There is an item on the gnue-sb is that finalized yet? item mantainance the name? jamest: ? lame joke sigh , the only other copy of that file lies at the other end of a 128kbit pipe hmm bz2 odd format seeing more of it lately is it going to replace .gz? it's been around for ages it was the next major version bump gzip but the communication somehow broke down and eventually the author released seperate from gzip hey has anyone looked at mozilla-thunderbird mail program? i just snarfed and started to look at it looks very very promising holy crap batman its FAST i could smell bye bye evolution if its stable grrr doesnt seem to support pgp via an extension I think http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ Usually the best answer is 'yes' to the following question but in that case the server will erase and reformat your storage files. Please consider your answer carefully! sounds, uh, worrisome... yeah i saw that just now 2.12 How do I use S/MIME, PGP or GnuPG to send and receive signed or encrypted messages? To use S/MIME, open Mail/News and go to Edit | Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings | account name | Security. You can set which certificates to use with each account for digital signing and/or encryption. Hooks to PGP or GnuPG are not included in Thunderbird, but are under development at Enigmail. LuftHans: what are you reading? our new install docs we're trying to reduce bug reports haha derek: that's the insall question from 'oops' bzip2 has been around a while, IME it gets better compression than gzip, but needs a lot more horsepower, gnutar has supported it for a few years via the j option instead of z i prefer bzip2 formerly the I option derek: Not really enigmail does support thunderbird and only gnupg Not PGP poop i cant get enigmail to install it installs ok for mozilla1.4 loco1 (~electronl@dsl-200-67-89-150.prodigy.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. and will work in mozilla mail derek: and this suprises you? but i cant seem to get thunderbird to recognize jamest: i think i have met my match in LuftHans derek: I have released Enigmail 0.81.3 for Thunderbird. It fixes: - - the gpg-agent related bug that can lead to password exposure. - - non-working print-preview In addition, it is now possible to save encrypted drafts (you have to enable encryption prior to saving). he appears to have problems with every application he touches it was on the Enigmail news? dcmwai: where did you download er how http://enigmail.mozdev.org/download.html sigh i downlaoded that using moz 1.4 http://enigmail.mozdev.org/thunderbird.html sorry it downloaded great ah derek: bash and xterm work just fine for me LuftHans: we perfered Engimail :) derek: pine also works, but it's not Free Software :( derek: OpenSSH has rocked for many years anyone know of an http proxy server that'll handle 301 and 302 redirects for the client? i dont not using a proxy :( derek: so now it is working. are any of you working with gnu-e? yes No :) I'm looking the future plans, I'm worry about the unfinished work, I'm a python developer looking for a better way (and fast) of making new apps unfinished work? yes, I mean the TODO part is there a time line to version 0.1.0? ??? most our stuff is at 0.5.x may be this http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/feature-plans/appserver.html is out dated sweet it works! and it was INCREDIBLY easy to configure it found my keys and everything im REALLY impressed for .1 product loco1: appserver is an exception it's moving forward but slowly hmm, so, can I start working without worries? derek: thunderbird? if you want to use appserver then you'll need to talk w/ reinhard or seisel(?) about development map if you just want tools to enhance python apps then i highly recommand gnue-common ok! let me read more about it, tnx! dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" np there is a tutorial in the common doc dir i think i got the examples up to the new api in the 0.5.1 release 0.5.0 was out of sync ok jamest, tnx a lot! np i want people to use it as I love it but I'm bias :) do u programmed common? some If common is what I'm looking for, you will get a good gift from me! what are you looking for? as the tutorials are not complete some interfase between db and bussiness logic to speed up the dev of new apps hmmmm then the answer is depends appserver, forms, reports all use common and there is a trigger system built in a basic tree of gnue-common objects all have access to that trigger system and it's very, very easy to entend that setup I think I need to read all about gnue before decide to use it, It seems to fill all what I need see the gnue-forms GFObjects dir for samples what I personally do now is gnue-forms w/ triggers for basic data entry then custom python apps built on common for processing wow i really like thunderbird i haven't used the db abstraction in my custom apps but jcater has someoone needs to package this for debian ASAP :) ok, you know, I have 4 years using python (and I love it) but I need more speed when starting new apps you might like common go thru the tutorial for a taste for an example i wrote an app a week ago that's man page was longer than the app gnue-common apps generate their own man pages :) hehehe, thats what I'm looking! and it has tons of features built in the biggest issue of course is documentation yes! finally something usefull! the guide is a start but it's not complete let me read all about it, brb l8r loco1: i'm pretty sure you can get lots of help here too if you catch a few of us around i know jcater and I use it alot and I _think_ a few others have started ok!, I'm going to learn all about it, first RTFM dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" --- Wed Aug 13 2003