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<Arturas> Good morning
<jamest> don't remind me
<jamest> :)
<Arturas> :) at least one clever man :)
<jamest> how clever is the man if the job he thought would take 2 hours has taken.....
<jamest> 5 and counting
<Arturas> well, he's not the one :)
<Arturas> hm, not alone
<LuftHans> coool, Bruce Perens wanted to create a dist just for me!
<LuftHans> Bruce first became interested in Debian while he was attempting to create a Linux distribution CD to be called "Linux for Hams"
<LuftHans> they just spelled my name wrong :)
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<alandd> dneighbo: how is the workshop planning going?
<alandd> derek: how is the workshop planning going?
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<LuftHans> hallo alan
<LuftHans> alan: have you responded to Alexander about the O'Reilly stuff?
<alandd> Alexander?
<alandd> O'Reilly stuff?
Action: alandd I missed something somewhere!
<alandd> Um... what did I miss?
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<LuftHans> he wrote me the other day saying he'd contacted O'Reilly about something and said he wrote you last week
<LuftHans> I can get back to him after the meeting
<alandd> OK.  I'll look at my old emails.  I don't recall seeing something but then I am not a computer!
<alandd> LuftHans: I did and email search for "reilly" in all emails.  Nothing from an Alexander.  maybe earthlink's SpamBlocker got it, don't know.  Will he be at the meeting thu?
<alandd> dneighbo: I must hie to bed.  Remember, if you need any assistance preparing for the workshop, email me.  I'll find the help or do it myself.
<alandd> LuftHans: See you at the meeting.
<alandd> gnite
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<siesel_> hi all
<reinhard> hi siesel_
<reinhard> good to see you
<reinhard> i'm making _way_ progress in appserver
<siesel_> yes, I 've read the commit messages today
<reinhard> however i have a problem with call over RPC
<siesel_> what kind off
<reinhard> Now I call the procedure 'show' for the first instance:
<reinhard> ********************************************
<reinhard> Error: 1: Unknown error 
<reinhard> ********************************************
<reinhard> is when i call it over RPC
<reinhard> Now I call the procedure 'show' for the first instance:
<reinhard> Function 'show' was called. This record contains the following  values:
<reinhard> gnue_id : 00000000000000000000000000001100 
<reinhard> is when i do the same w/o RPC
<siesel_> hmm, which program do you use to do it per rpc?
<reinhard> i have test.py for direct
<reinhard> and testRPC.py for test with RPC
<reinhard> you probably need to update all cvs (or even re-checkout)
<reinhard> and rebuild the test database
<siesel_> all done some 30 min, ago
<reinhard> cool
<siesel_> I took some time because I had to fix an issue with the 0.5.1 releases
<reinhard> does test.py work for you?
<siesel_> yes, and testRPC  returns a Protokoll error
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> you are using pw_xmlrpc, right?
<reinhard> i work with xmlrpc
<siesel_> seems like its a problem with a [rset[0][0]]  attribut passed to show
<siesel_> yes, pw_xmlrpc
<siesel_> its miles better, and included in python2.2[2.3?], so it should be our  standart
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<reinhard> it's not available for debian woody
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<reinhard> that's the reason why we made xmlrpc standard
<siesel_> yes, as most modern software, like gtk2 etc.
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> and gnue
<reinhard> ;-)
<siesel_> we discussed that before, yes.
<siesel_> :))
<reinhard> maybe sarge release will really be this year
<reinhard> or beginning next year
<reinhard> then we could switch to pw-xmlrpc
<siesel_> beginning sounds like August :(
<reinhard> but i acutally would like to support debian out of the box as well as possible
<reinhard> however
<siesel_> but back to our error
<reinhard> yes
<siesel_> I will try to trace it down, but that has to wait until lunch
<siesel_> bbl
<reinhard> lunch?
<siesel_> yes, a bit late, but ....  CU
<reinhard> siesel_: thanks in any case
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<reinhard> siesel_: just updated cvs to get your fix, it works
<reinhard> 1000 thanks!
<siesel_> no problem
<reinhard> i think you could undo the temporary fix in common, couldn't you?
<siesel_> I can, but I want to leave the fix in, in case of a user written appserver method is returning None
<siesel_> I think that I use the "allow_none" flag in pw_xmlrpc
<reinhard> i think user written methods will be called through a wrapper anyway
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> i actually don't mind
<siesel_> the pitty is, that  the other xmlrpc impl. (the one in woody) doesn't support this. :(
<reinhard> i just don't want to make a mess in common for something that we could fix in appserver
<reinhard> however
<reinhard> for now it works and is ok
<reinhard> we just have to manage it somehow when we implement user-written procedures
<reinhard> another question (if you have time)
<siesel_> ok.
<reinhard> i'm not sure i understand the format of grpc files
<reinhard> especially the relevance of the "type" flag
<reinhard> <argument name="classname" type="integer" default="0"/>
<reinhard> looks like it should not work, but it does :)
<siesel_> type checking isn't implemented in XMLRPC rpc driver yet, so  it works
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> neither in pw-xmlrpc?
<siesel_> but its necessary for some other protocolls
<siesel_> no, its only use if you list services
<reinhard> is it forseeable what the valid types will be?
<reinhard> i could guess that "list of objids" will probably be no valid type :)
<siesel_> yes, that should be fixed
<siesel_> sorry, have to run again.
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<dcmwai> dneighbo, You cannot run thunderbird/firebird with mozilla :(
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<reinhard> jamest/jcater: is that correct that technotes are the way of choice for internal documentation?
<reinhard> and if yes, can somebody explain in 2 lines how they work?
<jcater> well, I don't think they would take the place of proper internal documentation
<jcater> but it was a way for me to do quick docs on some particular topic
<reinhard> jcater: what would be "proper internal documentation"?
<jcater> well, e.g., I'd consider doc/geasarch/ doc/api/ etc to be good documentation
<jcater> technotes for me (and this is just me)
<jcater> are more a "let me write down the details of what I just did while they're fresh on my mind."
<reinhard> hmm
<reinhard> doc/api etc are "external" documentation
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<jcater> ok, well I said that without actually reading api/
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<reinhard> i have some things to document that nobody would be interested in _except_ people hacking on appserver
<jcater> yeah, I'm putting stuff like that in technotes
<reinhard> ak
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> there is a script for technotes or something like that, IIRC?
<jcater> they're nothing but simple text files
<jcater> like 00001.txt
<jcater> with a very short header section
<jcater> Title:   Explanation of form's internal event model
<jcater> Status:  Current
<jcater> Created: 2002-07-17
<jcater> a blank line separates the header from the text
<reinhard> yeah i read that from 00000.txt :)
<jcater> if you run gnue-common/utils/create-technote-index.py
<jcater> then an index.html and index.txt is created
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> do we put technotes on www.gnuenterprise.org?
<jcater> we should
<jcater> but I don't know if we got around to it or not
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> at least it was intended :)
<jcater> we're all full of good intentions :)
<jcater> now if we all just had time to do them
<reinhard> :)
<reinhard> i think i will adopt technotes for appserver
<reinhard> it really becomes a mess otherwise over time
<jcater> cool
<reinhard> you have a README here, a internals.txt there
<jcater> I wanted technotes to stay very simple
<jcater> to encourage them to be created/maintained
<reinhard> somewhere a lyx file, somewhere a tex file
<reinhard> etc.
<reinhard> i loved the simple format when i looked at it
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<jcater> reinhard: what holiday are you guys on?
<reinhard> summer holidays
<jcater> ah
<reinhard> most companies are closed for 2 weeks or 3
<jcater> oh, that's right
<jcater> in most civilized countries
<jcater> BESIDES THE US
<jcater> people encourage vacations
<jcater> but I won't rant today
<Vee2d2> Git back to work! 
<Vee2d2> ;)
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<Vee2d2> erp
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<dcmwai> is this derek the derek I know, he seem to be in a lot of channel :)
<dcmwai> why we didn't get this message? -dmwaters- {server notice} The machine will go down in about five mins.
<reinhard> siesel_: you here?
<dcmwai> Everyone good Night
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<siesel_> reinhard: yes, back
<Vee2d2> geeg:~> gfdes
<Vee2d2> I am SOOO there, dude!
<Vee2d2> hehe.. are there not tooltips in designer or have I somehow turned them off?
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<jcater> Vee2d2: tooltips are broken as of 0.5.1
<jcater> but it was a known breakage
<jcater> Vee2d2: you must be playing with my Tab Order mode thingy
<jcater> I just started it yesterday, so it doesn't do much yet :)
<jcater> that and cut-n-paste are my two biggies for designer 0.5.2 right now
<Vee2d2> cool
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<jcater> before you know it, designer will actually be usable
<jcater> :)
<Vee2d2> It's quite useable already, I can see it is going to be a pretty impressive tool in time
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<Vee2d2> hey dodji
<dodji> Hey Vee2d2 ;)
<dodji> Vee2d2: are you a gnue hacker ?
<Vee2d2> would-be gnue-sb hacker
<dodji> what's gnue-sb ?
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<Vee2d2> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue-sb/
<Vee2d2> I can finally see the light on this project I'm doing at work, so if I can stamp it done tonight or so I might finally get a chance to finish some things 
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<dodji> Vee2d2: looks interesting ...
<dodji> Vee2d2: I've just looked at the gnue-sb link
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<jcater_>  /nick jcater
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<jamest_> i need .debs for newest mozilla I can get for woody
<jamest_> any ideas?
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<LuftHans> check apt-get.org, there are at least 3 places providing backports of mozilla
<LuftHans> HEY!
<LuftHans> no penguin demise, even if the the pengy is a flamer!
<LuftHans> ( that's now legal in these here sometimes, almost united states )
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<jamest_> LuftHans: thanks, i knew there was a apt search site
<jamest_> i just couldn't recall what it was called :)
<LuftHans> jamest: I'm working on 'woody and a half', which'll take a bunch of those to create a respository that contains backports to woody
<jamest_> i use ardian (sp?) bunk's repository now
<jamest_> deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
<jamest_> but it's at moz 1.2.1
<LuftHans> there's a moz 1.3 and maybe 1.4
<jamest_> 1.4 at
<LuftHans> I don't even know what versions the project is up to, though
<jamest_> deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/debian/woody/backported ./
<jamest_> i don't either
<jamest_> 1.4 something
<jamest_> this is for users not me
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<jcater> (and I don't mean that in any randy way)
<LuftHans> I like konqueror, but I need tabs
<jcater> what's wrong with konq's tabs?
<LuftHans> I used konq on sawfish and e for a couple of years
<LuftHans> I've never seen them :)
<jcater> ah
<LuftHans> I heard they were in CVS, but haven't seen them released, maybe I have them and just haven't enabled them...
<jcater> yeah, since 3.1.0 iirc
<jcater> you may have to enable them though
<LuftHans> ah, dpkg says I have  konqueror      2.2.2-14.4
<jcater> oh
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<btami> hi
<LuftHans> maybe I should go grab a backport out of woody and a half
<jcater> btami: hello
<LuftHans> oh, wait, that's not working, gonna have to rough up the developer running that pos project!  :)
<jcater> eh?
<LuftHans> I've got woody and a half technically working, except it requires apt to honor http redirects and apt doesn't honor those
<LuftHans> now I need to get a proxy working that'll handle the redirects for apt, but I won't have time to finish that for the presentation tomorrow night :(
<LuftHans> jcater: you use apt-proxy, right? does it work well for you?
<btami> can anyone change the status of common's Developers-Guide.sxw to binary in CVS, please ?
<jcater> LuftHans: I've only been using it for 3 weeks or so now
<jcater> seems to work for me
<jcater> but that's not much experience w/it
<jcater> jamest used it a lot
<jcater> btami: I would if I knew how
<btami> me too :)
<LuftHans> jcater: deb http://www.LuftHans.com/debian stable woody+.5
<LuftHans> add that to your sources.list and do a --download-only dist-upgrade if you have a vanilla woody box sitting around
<chillywilly> http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-med13.html
<chillywilly> what do you guys think about this?
<LuftHans> cw: news had them at 8k docs yesterday and at 9k today, but that's still 1% of the docs in the .us
<chillywilly> bah
<jcater> I think the current system just isn't working
<jcater> Err http://www.LuftHans.com stable/woody+.5 xfonts-base 4.2.1-6
<jcater>   302 Found
<jcater> Err http://www.LuftHans.com stable/woody+.5 xlibmesa-dev 4.2.1-6
<jcater>   302 Found
<jcater> Err http://www.LuftHans.com stable/woody+.5 xlibmesa-gl-dev 4.2.1-6
<jcater>   302 Found
<jcater> Err http://www.LuftHans.com stable/woody+.5 xlibmesa-glu-dev 4.2.1-6
<jcater>   302 Found
<jcater> err
<jcater> the
<jcater> "I think the current system just isn't working"
<jcater> was for chillywilly
<LuftHans> ok, apt-proxy doesn't handle the redirects either
<jcater> but it goes for LuftHans too I guess :)
<chillywilly> heheh
<LuftHans> jcater: yup, that works for both cases :)
<jcater> I don't know how I feel about a national healthcare system
<jcater> but I know I don't like the current setup
<jcater> at all
<chillywilly> insurance companies suck
<LuftHans> I need redirects for how I want to put debian stuff on p2p as well, but that's probably just me being stupid and not understanding p2p
<LuftHans> s/suck/& the life out of our population/
<jamest_> kde 3.1.3 has official woody debs
<jamest_> and tabs
<jamest_> and kicks the crap out of 2.2.anything
<jcater> btami: remove your .sxw file and try to update again
<jcater> not sure if I fixed it or not, but I tried
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<chillywilly> you need a neck to ring? ;)
<LuftHans> sort of :)
<LuftHans> a client needs/wants a support contract. I'm going to see if I can handle it, but it probably isn't appropriate for this client to go with a one man shop on the support contract
<LuftHans> well that and I don't want to deal with RH advanced server and oracle ;-)
<btami> jcater: it's not binary, and i can't open it with OOo on XP (form's dev guide is OK)
<jcater> oooo
<jcater> just as you typed that
<jcater> I found what I needed in google
<jcater> give me a sec
<jcater> ok, try again
<btami> it's OK now, thanks jcater!
<jcater> cvs admin -kb *.sxw
<jcater> in case anyone wants to know
<jcater> :)
<btami> especially me :)
<Vee2d2> is it safe to delete things from the attic dir?
<Vee2d2> someone asked me the other day
<jcater> it's safe to
<jcater> but of course they loose all history information
<jcater> for any files there
<Vee2d2> I think he was wanting to completely erradicate some things he'd removed
<Vee2d2> irradicate?
<Vee2d2> hmm.. UPS's going crazy.. bbiab
<Vee2d2> rain
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<jcater> hmm
<jcater> at first I thought he meant a UPS guy was going nuts outside his house
<jcater> doh
<jamest_> that'd be the post office guy, not the ups guy
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<jcater> the way unemployment is going these days
<jcater> I wouldn't be surprised if it was a UPS or FedEx or whatever guy
<chillywilly> UPS sucks
<chillywilly> ;P
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<LuftHans> if you had to wear brown every day you'd be upset as well
<chillywilly> what can shit stain do for you?
<chillywilly> hmmm, they should adopt my new motto
<reinhard> btami is playing with appserver?
<btami> no, just trying setup.py install
<reinhard> i'm sure there are some points to fix in setup.py
<btami> ok
<reinhard> but that's further down my list
<btami> is appserver dbdriver usable now ?
<reinhard> however i guess i will get back on you when it gets to creating windows installer :)
<reinhard> yes appserver dbdriver is usable now
<reinhard> data read/write works
<reinhard> if you get appserver to run there's a sample form "appservertest.gfd"
<reinhard> get appserver to run == easy for debian, not even tried for windows :(
<btami> ok, i will try
<btami> on XP
<reinhard> and there's a database schema that can be loaded
<reinhard> but i only have a script for postgres
<reinhard> btami: i would appreciate that very much
<btami> is there gsd ?
<reinhard> no :(
<reinhard> if it makes it easier for you, i would try to build one
<reinhard> well actually there is one, but it is outdated
<btami> sure
<reinhard> ok
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<btami> if you make it ready, i can test it with firebird
<jcater> reinhard: designer can create a gsd automatically from a postgresql session
<reinhard> jcater: that's great news
<reinhard> how is that done?
<reinhard> aehm
<jcater> just start up designer
<reinhard> does designer depend on some wxPython version I don't have in woody?
<reinhard>  ImportError: No module named gizmos
<jcater> yeah, but we have backports
<jcater> deb http://www.gnuenterprise.org/debian/ woody main
<reinhard> ah cool
<jcater> we were spending as much time working around wx 2.2 bugs as we were coding features
<jcater> so we made the decision to up the minimum version to 2.4
<jcater> we == I
<jcater> =)
<reinhard> what do i have to install from there?
<jcater> apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python
<reinhard> thanks
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<LuftHans> jcater: did the dep on 2.3 get fixed?
<jcater> ask jbailey
<jcater> he does our debs
<Vee2d2> I started to reportbug nag for a new version this morning.. but I know he's busy.
<Vee2d2> know == figured
<reinhard> designer runs
<reinhard> man this looks cute
<jcater> File | New | From Wizard...
<reinhard> i've been away _way_ too long from this project
<jcater> then select "Schema" tab
<LuftHans> jcater: he was waiting for the new release
<reinhard> wow!!
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> designer has one bug w/the schema thing
<jcater> apparently it creates two <tables> tags
<jcater> one needs to be manually deleted from the .gsd file after you save
Action: jcater will fix that
<reinhard> no problem
<jcater> ok, that's fixed
<reinhard> lol i found another problem
<reinhard>         <field name="gnue_length" length="393216" type="number"/>
<reinhard>         <field name="gnue_scale" length="262144" type="number"/>
<jcater> holy cow
<reinhard> that should be length 6 and 4 respectively :)
<jcater> what are the native postgresql types for those two fields?
<reinhard> however i can fix that with vi
<jcater> well, I have the appserver schema
<jcater> I can look
<jcater> reinhard: it's not 100% perfect yet
<reinhard> nevermind
<jcater> (after all, it's a GNUe project =)
<reinhard> i used numeric (6) and numeric (4)
<reinhard> what types are valid in gsd files?
<reinhard> now all string fields are "text"
<reinhard> no matter if they are char or varchar
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<reinhard> ok two questions
<reinhard> a) can somebody give me a pointer about the valid datatypes in gsd?
<reinhard> and
<reinhard> b) how can i "run" a gsd?
<Vee2d2> gsscvs holds the answer to b
<Vee2d2> I dont recall exactly where (if they are) the data types are documented
<reinhard> ok got it
<reinhard> found it in the usual documentation files
<reinhard> those with the .py ending :-)
<Vee2d2> haha
<Vee2d2> :)
<btami> night all
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<LuftHans> fsf breaking made /.
<reinhard> hmmm
<reinhard> can it be that gnue-schema (gsscvs) doesn't generate sql code for the <data> part of the file?
<reinhard> crap
<reinhard> after midnight here
<reinhard> i must go to bed
<reinhard> will continue tomorrow (i hope)
<reinhard> it's _really_ fun to code when you find all your work already done in common :)))
<jamest> lol
<LuftHans> gute n8 reinhard
<reinhard> gute nacht, LuftHans
<reinhard> good night all
<reinhard> bonne nuit
<reinhard> etc.
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<dcmwai> http://ftp.gnu.org/MISSING-FILES.README
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<lex> Heyas guys.
<jcater> howdy
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<lex> I am part of an enterprise group in mexico purely of FS related companies. Ive detected some interest in ERP solutions and the like within the group. I immediatly thought GNUe could be a good startpoint for them to have a mexicanized Free Software ERP solution. 
<jcater> yes
<Vee2d2> http://papo.vialibre.org.ar/ is using gnue tools
<jcater> it would
<jcater> :)
<lex> Cool..... they arent that GNU litterate my other friends....but in time.... i know this is an evangeliziing community!
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<dcmwai> anyone here? :)
<jamest> no
<dcmwai> haha Catch you :) jamest
<jamest> please leave a message after the beep*
<dcmwai> something about item Management on the gnue-sb..
<dcmwai> why there is a SKU and old SKU
<dcmwai> if I did recall correctly SKU will continuate accumulate and grow with time
<dcmwai> so shouldn't that SKU be a db list?
<jamest> i don't have a clue on gnue-sb
<dcmwai> jamest: HAHA 
<jamest> i barely have a clue on the stuff I've worked on
<dcmwai> jamest: May I know what are you working on ?
<jamest> when I gnue it's typically common or forms
Action: dcmwai is very new to gnue (Oh Yes I'm)
<jamest> now it's java
<jamest> yippie!
Action: jamest is a java hater
<jamest> but forms was my baby
<jamest> until jcater did unspeakable things to it
<jamest> then I did some
<jamest> then him
<jamest> :)
<dcmwai> jamest: then I 
<jamest> yeah, exactly
<dcmwai> haha
<jamest> poor thing
<jamest> but working in java makes me love forms/python that much more
<dcmwai> jamest: don't tell me that it is going to be change to Java... I don't like java either...
Action: dcmwai do love javascript :)
<jamest> no
<jamest> this is paid for work
<dcmwai> jamest: ah I see J2EE?
<jamest> no
<dcmwai> then...
<jamest> a program I inherited
<jamest> it's barely java
<jamest> complete mess IMHO
<dcmwai> oop... bad news...
<jamest> kinda fun
<jamest> i'm ripping the hell out of it
<jamest> one file was 3733 lines without many comments
<Vee2d2> dcmwai: that whole form is going to change, it's the untouched piece of item_management.. old sku is a reference field to another sku, I intend to use it to associate paired products like ladies vs mens matching shirts, etc.. I think the original intention was a need to reference a replaced numbering system 
<jamest> now it's 2741 and has comments and does a lot more stuff
<jamest> the dude didn't believe in functions
<jamest> i guess
<jamest> cut n paste is where it's at
<dcmwai> 3733 lines without many comments... hum (look like this so called programmer is like my standard) Just code No Comment
<dcmwai> jamest: Yes that is what I normally do :)
Action: jamest thwaps dcmwai with a sturctured programming book
<dcmwai> Vee2d2: Oh I see
<dcmwai> Vee2d2: So it is going to change :)
<Vee2d2> I scrapped a bunch of code in the thing I'm working on.. it's pretty clear the person wasnt altogether familiar with php/html/db... stuff.. 
<Vee2d2> dcmwai: not drastically I dont think.. but it's going to make use of those lookup tables
<Vee2d2> well.. maybe drastically.. matter of opinion.. ;)
Action: dcmwai Thank jamest if that book can be really here.
<dcmwai> Vee2d2: I know how it feel when you look on the code and don't really what they are for.
<dcmwai> or when you can do it is an more easier way
<Vee2d2> there were made up tags and stuff in this code.. <align> ? heh.. 
<jamest>  date     | character varying(20)  | not null
<dcmwai> haha
<Vee2d2> yea, crap like that.. ;)
<jamest> this entire system is like this
Action: dcmwai think they should pay us more ;0
<Vee2d2> only.. is varying() valid? 
<dcmwai>  character varying(20) ==> vchar
<Vee2d2> I understand the intent, but dont recognise the syntax
<jamest> my favorite
<jamest> i can't not share this...i'm sorry
<Vee2d2> ;)
<jamest> any time we need a timestamp in the db
<jamest> Calendar gc = new GregorianCalendar().getInstance();
<jamest>    String datetime = gc.get(Calendar.YEAR) + "-" + setUpDate(gc.get(Calendar.MONTH)) + "-" + gc.get(Calendar.DATE) +   /////////////////
<jamest>                " " + gc.get(Calendar.HOUR_OF_DAY) + ":" + gc.get(Calendar.MINUTE) + ":" + gc.get(Calendar.SECOND);
<jamest> then passes the string
<jamest> instead of just doing 
<jamest> now()
<jamest> in the sql
<jamest> so the dates in the db are all strings, all based on the clients clock
<jamest> and computed in every functoin that calls the db function that inserts it
<Vee2d2> weee
<jamest> make note; computer date; pass date,note to insertNote function
<jamest> sorry , i 
<jamest> will shut up now
<Vee2d2> We're probably going to be migrating to postgresql sometime soon.. wonder if I can use designer to try and facilitate the migration somewhat.. 
<Vee2d2> this db I'm working with now has ~80 tables
<dcmwai> brb busy a while
Action: Vee2d2 makes sheep noises and gets back to seeking the light
<jamest> oh boy
Action: jamest doesn't want to know
<chillywilly> jamest: nice time thing ;P
<jamest> thanks
<chillywilly> where is that from?
<jamest> a java project I took over
Action: jamest spent 20 hours working on it sat,sun
<chillywilly> man...
<jamest> 7 hours last night
<jamest> tonight I'm pushing 5
<jamest> but got to do some web stuff first 
<dcmwai> jamest: hum enjoying life isn't it :)
<jamest> something like that
<dcmwai> Something to ask about DB table numbers... If the more table they have what will be the disadvantage/advantage?
<dcmwai> Like SQL-ledger only have 28 Table, where Nola/arias have 167 tables
<dcmwai> basically they do the same stuff...
Action: Vee2d2 knows far less about db design than the others here.. 
<SachaS> dcmwai: i heard that a SAP system has about 12'000 tables
<Vee2d2> hmm.. not sure how helpful using designer to migrate the db will be because of how it handles the types.. 
<SachaS> but now idea if that is a full fledged system with all modules etc etc.
<Vee2d2>   ETOPS varchar(1) DEFAULT N,
<Vee2d2>   ZONAL varchar(1) DEFAULT N,
<Vee2d2> haha. 
Action: Vee2d2 ponders if that's how it was to start.. checking...
<chillywilly> dcmwai: all depends on how the data is used...indices speed selects up but slow inserts and updates down, etc. joining tables can be expensive, etc.
<chillywilly> how "normalized" things are
<chillywilly> all good happy horse shit
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<chillywilly> bah
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<Vee2d2> nah, they were char(1) going in.. gsscvs created the varchar(1)
Action: chillywilly kicks freenode for dropping havoc
<Vee2d2> bahehehe.. 
<Vee2d2> ^ my sheeply bah, btw. 
Action: jamest is sure he doesn't want to know
<Vee2d2> .msg jamest http://www.muttonbone.com/ is where I got mine, I'm pretty sure they ship to KC, too.
<Vee2d2> erp!
<jamest> roflmao
<jamest> with a slogan like "The inflatable love sheep" it's got to be good!
<Vee2d2> endorsed by P.E.T.E.R., too.. People for the Ethical Treatment of Erotic Ruminants
<chillywilly> ok....
<jamest> now all we need is inflatable love penguin for chilly here
<chillywilly> :)
<jamest> :)
<chillywilly> http://www.chadogroup.com/carla/penguin_love/
<dcmwai> chillywilly: Thank, Now I get what you meant, Even if you have A lot of DB as long as it was normalized It will be fast 
<chillywilly> to a certain extent
<chillywilly> I don't think most people go past 3rd normal form
<chillywilly> cause you can loose performance going further as then you have to join more tables
<dcmwai> chillywilly: Ok...Thank :)
<chillywilly> http://www.xsiv.com.au/se/item386.ehtml <-- there ya go jamest ;P
<chillywilly> http://www.thelittleshopofsextoys.com/2223.html
<chillywilly> haha
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