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SachaS: been working on another contract I've got the PHP base ready to start working on it, but I hope in 2 weeks that Derek will show me the light and I can use GNUe :) and there was light :) oops :) hope so for you. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) yeah, I hope so I need to finish the other contract tomorrow, then I can get back to the inventory thing there's also the job in .de to consider :) i like the idea of dotgnu to have sort of "joining forces" of free software developers doing projects for a living. a network of fs developers to make money ofr a living I'm trying to build that here Action: SachaS has to look for a job next year :) I've got some work and think I can build more, but I lack the business skills and desire to really make it work :( Action: ajmitch has to look for summer work :) dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: SachaS -> SachaDinner dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "All things being equal, fat people use more soap." dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. SachaDinner (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) got netsplit. SachaDinner (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Morning, gnue'ers. How did everyone the power outage? Hmm.. s/one the/one survive the/ hi dsmith on heise.de they speculate it could have been caused by w32.blaster worm test .. Nick change: SachaDinner -> SachaS SachaS: Maybe. But I don't think so. SachaS: Just my gut feeling. would be too terrible lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-196-209-113.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi has anyone tried SK-Ledger? (sk-ledger.sf.net) they say: CK-Ledger (with 15 modules, Ledger Admin, Ledger, Bank Reconciliation, Inventory, Service, AP, AR, PO, SO, Quotation, POS for Cashier, POS for Manager, HR, Staff Self Service, Payroll) is modeled on an Open Source accounting software and runs on top of phpGroupWare. it's a bit like arias, but a bit more generic and less convinient to use. Action: SachaS runs test2 happily even with patched nvidia driver so i have 3d on unstab le kernel :) wrong window jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: SachaS -> SachaZzz lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Action: jbailey is away: lunch ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.80.17) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dcmwai hello siesel :) did you look at: http://ck-ledger.sourceforge.net/ ? Not yet they even have full chinese (simpl./trad.) translation siesel, oh that is great... :) siesel, That was a new software or old software.. hey siesel siesel, I think nola is better in the way of present siesel, anyway what do you think they are run in better, we can always get the idea and put it in Aria and also Gnue-sb Am I still here? siesel, They do have bank module... Hum that is something we are lack of :) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Action: dcmwai is away: Sleeping Good Night. :) Action: jbailey is back (gone 01:27:26) Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) got netsplit. SachaZzz (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) got netsplit. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. SachaZzz (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. SachaZzz (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) got netsplit. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) got netsplit. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. SachaZzz (~sacha@online.havanawave.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hi btami hello siesel how about your i18n changes to forms (unicode default) ? Its allmost ready, just some small parts still have to made ready f.e. the way database encodings are set... and I still haven't worked on "unicodification" of GParser entities f.e. the "name" type should be converted to unicode, because it's used for labels etc btw. can you/reinhard change authentification to authentication in all appserver stuff? heheh ok :) Is it just in the code or in the documentation too? in the code dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.80.17) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.82.205) joined #gnuenterprise. wb dcmwai dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.82.205) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.81.168) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater hello I was planning to commit some of the unicode changes to forms etc. because common is changed to, some parts of reports possibly won't work as expected so it will be like the _() i18n changes ? i.e. there will be much to be fixed problems, which I can't check for, because I don't use reports regualary. I think, that now (after 0.5.1) is the time for changes like that, so I just want to ask if you have objections or what do you think about it. what kind of changes is this causing to common? we use common in a lot of things besides reports and forms the return type for strings is unicode instead of string when doing database access it could made optional, so that f.e. gnue-pos can keep using normal string jcater: I' ll ask you again, later siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-196-209-113.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon549.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. floosh001 (~chatzilla@246.133-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.23 [Mozilla rv:1.3.1/20030425]" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ah, fsck any Win4Lin users, don't upgrade sid seems glibc 2.3.2 has a nasty bug which win4lin triggers :( win4lin has triggers? :) unintentionally, yeah :) apparently VMWare triggers the same bug if anyone uses it cywiakh (~cywiakh@114.22-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" cywiakh (~cywiakh@114.22-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) left irc: "cywiakh has no reason" jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: but we don't use evil prop. software like win4lin ;) win4lin is my compromise between my ideals and my work situation I fully understand what you're saying, but, eh, you know.... :( don't be sad how's work going? still going steady? yep, things are looking up um... stupid repeated question of the day.... where is the connection file supposed to be? etc/connections.com s/com/conf/ shouldve known if you dislike security use 'username =' and 'password =' to add username and passwd to connections.conf i do dislike it very much....thank you...:) bitte :) ello lex :) yo Action: lex sobs .... doesnt find my connection The connections file does not contain a definition DB000: for "lex". But its there..... i swear And i can connect from here are you using cvs or pre-packaged? debs sid debs ooh, you got them to install :) yeah... they did all that themselves they put binaries in /usr/bin? and gnue-designer actually works well yeah I ran into dependency problems, might've gotten fixed. I haven't checked in a week or 10 days I would think, then, that /etc/connections.conf is the place. That's where you have it? AHA! gnue-designer --conections /etc/connections.conf or specify it on the command line ;-) wonder what the default is, though is there an /etc/gnue? nope Bad packaging.... in --configure even...will post to bugs.debian.org /etc/gnu*? cool is it a bug? yes, but it's documented. ok, that'll work. :) yeah lex: not /etc/gnue/connections.conf?? Action: ajmitch hasn't installed debs for awhile :) No...:( I agree /etc/gnue is probably where it should be. I was obviously being a bit dense earlier :(. LuftHans: I'm sure that's where it used to be dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.81.168) left irc: "Client exiting" lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: what bug? wrt win4lin / vmware? only annoyance I've yet to get over is the fact that vmware4 doesnt play correctly with esddsp the the supposed fix I found doesnt seem to work.. but I wasted more time than I budgeted for it so *shrug* http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/LD_*-gallery/index.html#vmware4 really interesting code snippets never seen anyone write quite like that that == it's an asm file, but it's also an sh script that compiles itself and sets itself up in the environment.. s/asm/c module that calls the asm() function.. Vee2d2: you using debian sid? yip you updated this week? everyday :( I'm holding back some python related stuffs.. you restarted win4lin in the last few days? I only use vmware ah does w4l not run at all? I don't have VMWare I just saw on the w4l lists that there was a debian bug entry for vmware not running w/2.3.2 either but it might be a specific version Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek heya derek hi Vee2d2 jcater: I dunno, everything's still working here. anyone know how to trouble shoot NIC problems? i.e. i have a NIC and it works er 2 nics and they work but? Vee2d2: well, basically if i traceroute they look clean (one box to another) internal network glibc 2.3.2 broke compatibility with glibc 2.0 and i can copy things back and forth however it is DOG slow so any programs compiled against 2.0 will no longer work i thought maybe it was samba (which is quite a few prepackaged stuff, apparently) but if i do ssh even its slow er scp like REALLY slow like, how slow? 100Mb card running at 10Mb speeds? the "server" with samba and such on it isn't exactly a lightning box (p-133mhz 80mb RAM) or slower jcater: if i have say 40 or 50 4megapix photos and i copy them from box A to box B it might take ALL night i haven't timed things as i haven't gotten good chance to troubleshoot i suspect it is a misconfigured card on one box or the other like the server as my laptop copies things to the server slow as well is there a way to "time" a copy? for a while i thought it was cause i stream music off that server but even when not streaming music its slow that's pretty slow its irrating because i copy digital camera stuff too much :( i woudl just download images right on server but its so old, no usb :) problem has existed since day 1 have you used something like lftp or such to see what the actual throughput looks like? (so like 3 years ago) but have just been too lazy or forgetfull to fix it but tonight it needs to be looked at if anyone has suggestions i dont know where to start Action: derek HATES hardware... let me rephrase that, hardware hates me might be a bad cable? Vee2d2: that i have changed and i have two pc's connected to server both are slow and i have changed the server to hub connection have you used something like lftp,ncftp or some such to see what the actual throughput looks like? nope dont really want to install ftp is there some other tool? i can scp with verbose and it will tell me i suppose these arent debian boxens? :) apt-get -uf install proftpd lftp; lftp -u derek fish://myothermachine/~/porn or whatever, right..? iftop ? iftop -B then scp a large file across hey that's pretty cool.. never used that before they are debian boxes but i dont want to install ftp just one more thing to have to "babysit" for vulnerabilities :) looks like im getting about 10KB/s throughput when its not STALLING y'know.. I guess first thing I would check is ifconfig on all the machines to see if there's some interesting figures.. like a bunch of errors or something.. with a max of may 19KB/s derek: syslog show any timeouts? ajmitch: which machine either or general ethernet errors or it could be a large number of collisions as Vee2d2 said, check ifconfig :) hmm no timeout to syslog does ifconfig -a but this is the machine that throws crap to the screen instead of logs show many drops or errors? grrrr eww! err what Vee2d2 said =) I may have issues too.. ;) TX packets:5540119 errors:17336 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:17400 good grief not that many :) eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:0C:60:0F:A0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:2 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:4 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xd100 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:39:50:B0 inet addr:192.168.0.101 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:1658613 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:195040 TX packets:1580002 errors:4 dropped:0 overruns:4 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:556749502 (530.9 MiB) TX bytes:1465195907 (1.3 GiB) Interrupt:9 Base address:0xd000 see the # in frame.. sorry eth0 has no cable and is not used TX packets:1103990243 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Vee2d2: yes, a rather high number jcater: that give anythting useful which box do i run iftop on? ok a 4.2mb file copies in 7:14 ouch via scp 'bing' is also a useful tool for measuring throughput :) that is slower than my crappy DSL it'd be faster to string up a serial cable between them derek: that high frame count says something, what I dont know.. hmmm iftop eth1 doesnt seem tot be displaying anything what kind of card is that? what does mii-tool output? carpine:~# mii-tool eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok carpine:~# hmm 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21040 [Tulip] (rev 23) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10 I/O ports at d100 [size=128] Memory at 08000100 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128] 00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 21) Subsystem: Netgear FA310TX Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 9 I/O ports at d000 [size=256] Memory at 08000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Expansion ROM at 05400000 [disabled] [size=256K] are the two cards i think thte IRQ9 is eth1 and the IRQ10 does mii-tool -F 100baseTx-HD eth1 eth0 change any speeds? carpine:~# mii-tool -F 100baseTx-HD eth1 carpine:~# dont know what that does? copy something sets to half-duplex yeah, just checking a few things before giving my diagnosis of "better get a new card" Action: ajmitch gets 40-50MBps with bing between 2 boxes here jcater: copying another file bing? was that a typo? or a tool I don't know about? Action: derek has another card in tehre (the eth0) i can always try it if we cant find out whats up where er here jcater: no typo jcater: a tool for measuring bandwidth jcater: speed still really slow well, isn't that spiffy linux has too many damn tools to learn esp, debian :) derek: I'd be tempted to try a new card I can't think of too many things that would cause this no kidding (re: too many tools) Action: Vee2d2 has picked up a few just in this thread.. ;) ok will try other card as soon as done copying some pictures few new tools/tricks only thing else i can think is newer driver maybe but i have used netgear a LOT in the past with no problem but it's a tulip and that driver has a lot of history behind it Action: Vee2d2 has some tulips I prefer daffodils my ltsp workstation is a tulip based card derek: it could be the damn network is so exhausted because you are making it work in the phoenix heat I know I'd be exhausted and moving slowly needs some water, maybe. hey its only 90 right now ah that's no worse than here then Action: derek did have to snicker that the poor french were DYING (literally) in 100 degree weather it's only 78 here.. but 78% humidity btw: kudos to best buy... our camera took a dump (we paid 49.99 for the warranty) took it back and they said store credit for amount of camera buy a new one problem is that camera prices went up couldnt get same camera specs for same price (and kodak switched storage media type) so looked like was going to have to pay like 100 to get equiv camera i talked to a manager and said what good is the warranty if i have to pay 100 to get same quality camera they made it a wash and i paid 7 bucks to extend the warranty of new camera a year and in actually got camera with better battery, optical zoom and an extra compact flash card all i can say is best buy's customer service wow'ed me today wow...nothing like the Best Buys around here i'm jealous yeah me too. not sure what I'm gonna do with mine.. it's dead again and I'm not about to shell out another $125 to get it fixed (old olympus d-600L 1.3MP) maybe try and repair it myself.. ;) well thats why i bought warranty normally i avoid them liek the plague I bought this thing like... 4 or 5 years ago, I think. but i know digital cameras are notorious for not lasting long Action: derek twiddles thumbs waiting for that copy to finish maybe 3 or 4.. not sure so i can try another card I want to know what that frame count means Action: derek HAS to get a GNU Enterprise presentation ready real soon now I've been googling I googled a little bit too and can't seem to find much info on what frame means other than errors Action: derek would be happy to see messages go to syslog instead of screen but of course that is an enigma no debianite has been able to solve in 3 years :) i have two bugs that are in the "no way that is possible category" you look in /etc/syslog.conf? 1. modules disappearing for modconf even though they exist and work on a new kernel from packaging 2. ethernet messages going to stdout opposed to a relevant log #1 happens to me all the time after a kernel upgrade usually have to wait for updated modutils then upgrade again it is funny when people say "not possible", my response usually is "you dont know me" ;) even then, that doesn't always work jcater: that sounds feasible as i had a period where i did like 4 machines and all 4 had the problem modules.conf? and took like two kernel upgrades before it came back modconf wtf is modconf? ;) its a debian program that kicks butt (imho) sounds like it is.. ;) lets you select modules and configure them interesting.. never used this.. so you dont have to play the /etc/modules.conf and insmod delmod bullsh1t game i.e. its yet another debian nicety that people using other distros miss out on I was going to say.. modules.conf is autogenerated so it's understandable things might disappear if you're mucking in that file.. what i find funny is most debian folks dont like modconf, but other than it dissappearing on some kernel upgrads it has been PURE gold for me I get lost without it jcater: that is how i feel it handles "module" dependencies mainly is the reason I like it I just edit /etc/modules to list the modules I want loaded.. and... the only module tool i use besides modconf now is lsmod to see if something is loaded Vee2d2: we're sorry.. you should try modconf :) thats probably my one gripe about debian I use discover and have it skip the es1371 module so that it uses alsa's module instead.. its very "insiderish" i.e. you will do something the hard way for years and someone will say have you tried "foo" you try "foo" and nearly crap your pants and ask something dumb like "when did that come out" to which the answer is 5 years ago as we all stated in this thread what is iftop "cool" what is bing "cool" DWN rocks if for no other reason that the new package listing in each one.. ;) sometimes 10,000 packages is too much :) man this libc thing is painful so Vee2d2 you bracing for erika yet? Action: Vee2d2 is about as far away from the coast as you I might as well be in oklahoma Action: ajmitch is near a different coast been living under a rock, too.. Had I not happened to hear it mentioned on my 5 minute trek home from the office tonight I wouldnt have had a clue what you were talking about. ;) Action: derek crys 5 minute trek first I've heard of it :) derek: :) my office is on top of a bar, too.