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Action: dcmwai is back (gone 01:18:52) Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo__ (~lupo@pD9E6854E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. shn_ (~root@210.187.13.74) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port26.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Excess Flood ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port26.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone get an email a week or so ago from a guy who is starting up a erp standards forum? Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection shn_ (~root@210.187.13.74) left #gnuenterprise. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nope what did he write? Josh got it but lost it... and I don't get that :( was it on some mailing list? 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Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-95.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami: you are in budapest, right? no, i'm in Zsombo, next to Szeged ah oh i'm going to debrecen on wednesday my brother is living there but we met yesterday at parents (Battonya) have you got free time there ? not that much i'm there with my family wife and kids nice my wife's brother is marrying saturday in debrecen congrats ! thanks :) we planned to go to Debrecen, but my brother always travelling he is a basketball trainer at the junior nathional team all jung girls :) :) young chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-95.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. wb chillywilly hello cw chillywi1ly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" btw reinhard, i have a hard question ok i have a 2 people owned company (kft or gmbh) me and an old fashioned lady we have a proprietary software payroll and tax calculation have == sell or have == use ? it was developed in foxpro(dos) sell ok i'v developed it my plan is to completely rewrite it in GNUe Did enyone enjoy Debian's 10th birthday? hi btami thanks reinhard dsmith: nope, not a single person. ;) Action: reinhard thinks he knows what the question will be... if i think it right , it hten have to be GPL-ed no of course you would not even _want_ to write proprietary software if no, what? but if you really want, you can write prop software with gnue custom != proprietary ;) just like you can write prop software with gcc you can make prop forms, reports, etc only the tools are gpl if it's not a general solution it won't be useful to gnue anyway i see so you have to provide the source for gnue-forms, gnue-common etc but you couldn't embed gnue-common in your app however i don't see how you would hide the source of a form from your user ;-) actually you might be able to even do that and what about in-house stuff? but you'd have to give back any changes to gnue-common i'm honestly not sure how that whole embedded gnue-common would work out ok, 2. question: i wonder if a person could do a pgp type setup w/ forms/reports/etc in common i want to put it GPL so that forms could be encrypted w/ a private key but my business partner asks and the public key distributed with app hmmm, my IP changed what is the benefit of opening our code? of course others could hack common to spit out the unencrypted stuff there's 2 of me... dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Client exiting" that is very odd shouldn't be possible btami: the main benefit is getting back imporvements from the community but then this is freenode after all ;) reinhard:i know that, but heheh this is for example what i experienced with you last week with your fixes to appserver :) she is not a programmer another advantage and she ask me : especially for small companies why make concorrence for us concurence is she might get asked quite a lot "what happens if btami is hit by a bus" and then she might answer "you are in no way dependent from us" heheh no kidding i get asked this a lot (being a 3 person company) s/i/we/ exactly same here btami: and don't forget you don't have to open the source code to the world you just have to open it to your customer and let him open it to whomever he likes most customers will probably keep it to themselves anyway aha, this is new to me yeah the gpl doesn't say you have to give your code to anyone you can keep it all for yourself if you like but _when_ you give it away, you have to 1. give the source code, too chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-95.wi.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out 2. let the receiver give it to any 3rd persons he wants under the same conditions so it might be totally normal to write code under gpl and give it only to a single customer ok my original idea was to put the development to savannah, but she complained the customer then has all the freedoms of changing the program himself (if he likes ) but this is not a mus must savannah is not a must at all brb (wife calls...) ok, thanks for all there are no requirements for anyone to give the code to a 3rd party also, technically you don't have to give the source code to your customers, you just have to make it available to them back LuftHans: yes, you're right I think you should, but you don't have to :) i provide a "written offer" myself instead of the source code for debian btw reinhard: what kind of software you develop,have,maintain? erp for small companies ca. 1-30 users mainly wholesale is it prop too? actually yes but i handle it nearly like free software for example if someone asks me for the source i give it to him at no cost i think we all in the same boat :) :) what language? it's called starbasic has nothing to do with star office it's a kind of basic that has integrated access to informix C-ISAM files which is a nice "db" system i see (something like dbase) no sql? and it compiles to a pseudocode no sql the pseudocode is then interpreted on the target machine and interpreters exist for sco, hp-ux, linux, dos and some other OS that gave us platform independance even 20 years ago when there was no python :-) nice foxpro does nothing, just a little sql :) :) however having no sql and no graphical ui kills this beast slowly but steadily and it's a good opportunity to replace it by gnue someday customer by customer (still got about 150 of them) same here i think many here are in a similar situation the foxpro for dos is killd by USB printers yeah for example dos knows nothing about USB right - same problem here when using dos platform and win xp is really making problems with dos boxes well it works but you have to tewak like a dozen parameters till it works :) what about dosemu or some other on GNU/Linux? yes LuftHans: that would be pervert because it runs natively on GNU/Linux :) but as i said for small companies ah, ok, nevermind the peanut gallery :) but my main problem with prop dev environments is some of my customers only have a single pc in their company and that has to be windows (because they want word, outlook etc.) have to sleep, night all btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: huh reinhard: put them on a GNU/Linux box with vmware stopped in the middle of a sentence must have been wife that called ;-) LuftHans: i don't want to support the whole PC guess btami doesn't have to sleep if he uses Free Software dev environments :) i don't want my customers to call me if they have a problem in word or excel so i _may_ not install them :) reinhard: ok, makes sense i've got some customers that virtually call me when the tap drips (?) the cock drops? aehm gotta sleep, too :-) :) night all reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "When all else fails, read the instructions." jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-185.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: you wanted to ask me something? 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Nick change: SachaDinner -> SachaS chillywi1ly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. LuftHans: i forgot what i needed :( how's thangs derek? tired :) burning so much at work have nothing when get home and have stuff piling up here :( short term situation, we hopes.. derek: was it about a debian image and next Sat? are you at a point where you or alan can ack those who've signed up for the class? anyone video recording the gnue seminar? might be interesting to at least see the people (faces) of some gnuers could be pretty intimidating though with a camera there.. I want my icons back for my galeon dagnabbit waaaa maybe use a sekrat hidden camera in the teddy bear kind of thing haha ummm, there used to be pics on goats.gnue.org bah, it just redirects to the main site yeah i can acknowledge them was going to build a sample database application for class registration (that could then be used for AZOTO) btw: my wife is REALLY unhappy i am doing this for free oh geez she thinks i should request people attending give a donation to either Free Software Foundation or AZOTO women i will make such a request (i.e. its still free, but will request people donate to AZOTO) it's your first one it can be free can't it ;) NEXT time (if this goes well) i might charge cost of azoto shirt (then say free azoto shirt included) ;) Action: LuftHans thinks your wife is smart ;-) heheh what is AZOTO? maybe we should get the website back up before the class.... definitely AZ Open Tech Org i considered hacking together something nm google is my bitch i STILL think postnuke or whatever is way overkill cw: AZ Open Tech Org, a non-profit dedicates to promoting Free Software and Open Standards in the state of .az.us AZOTO should pretty much be a marketing site (so to speak) with needs for a calendar derek: havoc wants to make out LUG site into more of a marketing site and a store (to take donations and sell merchandise for stuff) the current domain is not under our control and now we got a new one and havoc is gonna host it he's got the T1 milwaukeelug.org derek: as long as I can get updates on the site, it contains the info we need and we can get backups/mirrors I'm happy havoc was suggesting someone form an NPO for the LUG cw: derek and I can give pointers on how not to do that :) you guys formed AZOTO? organized it cw: I am one of the three co-founders and conned Derek into joining at the end of last year well I suppose I wouldn't mind doing it with Joe...I know havoc does not want to do it as he has plate full running his own business so far we have produced: 1) nix 2) nada 3) nothing :( what are you supposed to "produce"? cw: results marketing materials and such I guess ;) :) haha business relationships blah blah blah I can see how it could quickly get out of hand and become a lot of work or none at all ;) cw: we're supposed to be helping NGOs and EDUs move to Free Software and Open Standards, provide classes and help groups yea well derek is doing his part then ;) we've actually done the help groups some, some EDU ( Derek's class counts for that ) he's giving a class cw: yup hardest part is breakign away from our LUG i.e. imho we are not a separate identity just yet and so it makes what we can do far more limited I'm not sure havoc thinks they should be separated however, most of our potential volunters are from the LUG yeah, we need more outside resources. I need to go try to drum that up again they way he was explaining it to me today ;) brb so there needs to be "synergy" ;) but separation no, Free Tech Org derek ;) heheh doesn't make a cool acronym AZFTO eh I like AZOTO better uh, dudes maybe you should create a web site ;) MFSF Milwaukee Foundation for Software Freedom ;P mutha fuckin san franciso ;-o --- Tue Aug 19 2003