MILKS - Milwaukee Introduces Libre KDE Software HEH this is the dairy state ;) we could have like a cow logo yea...right... MILKS - Milwaukee Introduces Libre Kewl Software chillywilly: /me googled up pic of ajmitch reinhard: oh, btw http://ajmitch.dhis.org/~ajmitch/HA.jpg <-- /me is bottom right .... derek: http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/2002/misc/32.html heheh chillywilly: references to your old ~chillywilly on goats but that's defunkt yea cause they took my account away ;) http://www.libertyetech.com/photos/ these pictures are mostly old too funny yea, it was the heavy metal hair day or some shit ;P i was just updating my pictures for livejournal (my new obsession, the journal not the pictures) http://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=dneighbo kind of scary i think every picture i own of me (not many) i have something red on :) man I need new pictured up there darn fetishes pictures chillywilly: nuttin coming through over here.. just.. Loading... hmmm that would suck...maybe RR is trying to block ports on me those fsckers nah I am able to do it from a clients machine erm, reach my site Action: chillywilly fired up links hmmph works now.. gah, don't look ;) run away hehe, old photos :) Action: LuftHans moves over to #OpenOffice.org to herass them for not having presentations on how to use OpenOffice.org it's not like they don't have any presentation software available... heh :) yea...ok... LuftHans: good luck ;) their hackers guide is at ximian rather than OO.o... s/ximian/novell/ ;) yeah, maybe we'll see some improvement :) doubt it ximian sux oops did i say that Action: derek wears a ximian shirt almost everyday.... sadly you need to buy some FSF t-shirt s hey, they actually have a guide it's in flash :( Action: chillywilly has 2 bah derek: I know where you can get PLUG t-shirts ;-) yeah i have one need more i HATE images on front though :( Action: derek might design some and make them I wonder if jbailey ever finished the book he was writing for GNU Press as im picky bah also i got XXL (and then lost 30 pounds) I like images on front so i kind of swim in it well, images on the back don't make sense for me... I thought when you're old you're supposed to keep that weight ;) derek: swimming this time of year is a good thing I have the typing gnu with the GPL on the back and also the savannah GNU one Action: ajmitch has none shipping costs are probably more than shirt costs for me :) yea, but it's a "donation" ;) http://www.gnu.org/gear/Happy-tshirt.html http://www.gnu.org/gear/01-tshirt.html <-- that one I have Action: LuftHans feels dirty. he's been looking at legal stuff Sun put up on OO.o :( ttp://www.gnu.org/gear/98-tshirt.html <-- and that one woops http://www.gnu.org/gear/98-tshirt.html a gray shirt actually yhr gnu age one is thw wrong size and I still haven't done crap about it it's a L I need XL for my fat gut hmmm, maybe I should email them right now ;) hell if I know where the receipt is LuftHans: sun and legalese are a scary combination maybe its cause the words sco and sun are kind of similar :P) ouch derek: yeah, I keep thinking we should work to take Sun down, then move on to m$ I can't believe they don't have any presentations on OO.o available If I write them I'll first write a doc license that prohibits use by sun or mention of sun during the presentation Action: Vee2d2 has been thinking about offering shirts for everyone that commits code towards a 1.0 release version free (just gimme a size and an address I can mail it, anywhere) embroidered GNUe shirt, probably with something extra like "development team" or "developer" or something oooh, someone awake on OO.o s/code/effort 1.0 release of what? each piece of the pie.. maybe send a shirt to everyone who makes designer 1.0 a reality.. everyone that makes appserver 1.0 a reality.. etc.. how big a contribution tho? more than ircing, I would expect.. :) something productive that helps bring the release within grasp.. documentation, presentation/promotion (enlightening the masses could produce future contributors), ... ? Vee2d2: i meant to ask you about doing some work for me :) LUG presentations & media kits? ;) you can get shirts too right? or you just do the embrodiery? you bet, I can get 'em. Action: ajmitch wonders how far off 1.0 releases would realistically be Vee2d2: if you really wanna get 1.0 whatever released just fsend donuts to jacter on a regular basis I'd like to clone jcater.. ok new deal well if every bug derek finds is fixed, then 1.0 would be extremely solid :) a dozen GNUe shirts to the first hacker that clones jcater haha that was someone looking for help, good thing I was around, otherwise there'd've been no one to help him screw up his box :) it appears that OO.o doesn't provide an uninstall mechanism :( I use to idle in that channel LuftHans: rm -rf do you know of any presentations we can use for teaching people how to use the beast? or apt-get --purge remove OO ajmitch: that's what I told him to use if debian ... he's using slackware and the OO.o install mechanism Action: Vee2d2 wanders off to the bed place i hate the gimp is there an easy way to draw a straight line? 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Vee if it is possible, Email me Nick change: dcmwai -> dcmwaiZzz It's possible if someone tackles the web based forms client. Vee tackles the web based forms client? Nick change: dcmwaiZzz -> dcmwai|AWAY That's a piece that could use some incentive perhaps.. I'll send an embroidered GNUe shirt to whoever can bring the web based forms client up to speed. ;) I'll chip in a box of donuts (but wear an older shirt to eat the donuts...) uggh we have someone in repainting our restrooms they used Kilz as a primer Action: jcater is about to die Vee You must be joking :) I'm serious too.. Heck.. I'd do it on a premium shirt even. dyfet (~dyfet@pool-138-89-42-87.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. How long more did we need to get that pieces work... XML RPC? I dont know.. maybe jbailey has a good idea though as I think he was last to touch it jbailey not here now... hum must get him... Nick change: dcmwai|AWAY -> dcmwai what xmlrpc base implimentation are you working from? dyfet, Nothing :) oh...i was looking for suggestions on a matching implimentation to use in Bayonne :) I'm just thinking about the application server to provided Webbase output dyfet, woo, that is very hard to me :) Action: dcmwai never try Bayonne... Unless someone borrow him the equipment :) 07is now playing: 10(011/013) [Beethoven Radio on iM Radio - www.beethoven.com The Worlds Classical Radio Station] (stream/64kbps/22.1kHz) Nice song you dont need hardware to try bayonne dyfet, isn't bayonne the telecommunication services? dyfet, oh? I was under the same impression. with current releases, just a soundcard to test the server, and with the cvs version (soon 1.3.0), you can use h323 and gnomemeeting as well as supporting traditional telephone networks :) for the latter, you do need hardware... How to get computer to get traditional telephone networks? for that you need hardware :) but you dont need hardware to test bayonne, or to use ip voice anyway it is late now, will talk tomorrow Action: dcmwai is going for Rh 253 tomorrow :) http://www.inoohr.org/devianthomosexualpractices.htm The police said that the goat was not suffering long-term injury. British Transport Police Detective Inspector Dave Crinnion, who investigated, told the paper: "I saw the goat the next day ? it did not seem too upset but it is difficult to tell." hum... The world have change... why dont want having sex with the opposit sex but with animal... Human are Animal... This is ture when something like this happen :) Night Everyone :) wether humans are animals or not is a matter of opinion, I think. haha :) Action: dcmwai really have to sleep Action: dcmwai is away: Sleeping, Good Night Nick change: dcmwai -> dcmwai|AWAY dyfet (~dyfet@pool-138-89-42-87.mad.east.verizon.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There are two kinds of people: those who divide people into two kinds, and those who don't." What's the name of that package that munches a python script down into a single windows .exe? Installer.. uh dsmith: mcmillaninc.com isn't on or py2exe may work one it's 2 step mcmillan makes the self contained install err inno makes the setup.exe missed my hyphen Inno makes the setup, macmillion makes the program exe http://www.mcmillan-inc.com/install1.html Great, thanks guys. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" btami (~btami@3e70d82f.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hello jamest/jcater: what is the correct way if i fix a packaging error and build a new setup exe? 1. owerwrite 2. upload with another name 3: wait for next release ? um gut tells me we should re-release w/ new point number 0.5.2 even if it's a packaging error? the designers toolbar wizards doesn't work in setup exe just a packaging error we've already got the package in the wild Or add a .1 to the end. yeah we have win32 packages? if so, we never announced it 0.5.1.1 is fine too but I think we need way to mark the diff .1.1 or .1-1 ? ;) Please don't use .1-1 it would be evil hi jeff Versions with -'s are used by distros, so unless all win32 versions are going to start -1, -2 for sub releases, it will just get confusing. Heya Andrew. 0.5.1.1 ? sure sounds good to me ok are there 0.5.1 debs? :) i will try to upload tomorrow Action: jbailey looks around. :) jbailey, but isnt that the point? the exes are distributed as they are, no? there would be no need to repackage everything, right? if it was a problem in the debs, you would issue 0.5.1-2, right? /msg jbailey don't woryr, jcater is here to blame Vee: Sure, but you're changing from 0.5.1 to 0.5.1-2, which is just confusing. If you changed so that the initial release was x.y.z-m then it would make sense. (Not necessarily a bad idea, either) btami (~btami@3e70d82f.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon612.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). 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Action: TimRiker noticed in the logs chillywilly asking for a blootbot. ibot is on maxchannels, but I have a non-logging instance as jbot. what him here? looks like bigbrother is an eggdrop. nm TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) left #gnuenterprise ("This space intentionally left blank."). jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. madainn mhath jcater watch who you're callen a maiden, buster! =) wtf? ciamar a tha'u? howdy drochaid I hope you don't expect me to understand that i don't speak klingon. anyone of you a physics major? caite a bheil a'fuireach? drochaid: the donuts were excellent, thanks. de an latha anns an diugh? your linguistics master thesis is going to far by now. gu dearbh :) hm is this gaelic ? tha sin ceart!! lupo__: talk to reinhard, all Germans are physicists, regardless of what they've studied :) lol i like that spirit! :) and they make great beer, too! the point is that my questions are somewhere in between maths, physics and biology ... gabh mo leisgeil jcater jcater: yep. that's what our US exchange students said. "great beer" .. isn't that an oxymoron? no, but "greet bear" might be seadh? Action: LuftHans == drochaid Ami beer is better than .de beer cuz it tastes like water gabh mo leisgeil? .de imports some good ciders and whiskeys, though :) Action: drochaid strokes his collection of 10yr Ardbeg, 10yr Talisker, 10yr Laphroaig, natural cask strength Talisker, 17yr Ardbeg and 20yr Ledaig whisky :-D Action: drochaid forgot about the 18yr Highland Park ok, time to get ready for Stammtisch Action: LuftHans visits drochaid. you're an alcoholic, drochaid. Action: drochaid drinks about once every couple of weeks a bottle last me MONTHS lupo__: nah, an alcoholic would have empties. heh :) I've just got Bushmills 10 yr at this point, had the bottle for a year or so before I opened it. :o haven't had Laphroaig in a number of years and don't know the others but but but that's Irish! I might've heard of Ardbeg Arbeg == the best of Islay whisky drockaid: na und? :) *Ardbeg Talisker is from Skye, only distillery on the Island hmm, gonna have to get some Talisker Ledaig is the GOOD version of Tobermory from the Isle of Mull Highland Park is from Orkney my neice's middle name comes from Skye, so it seems like a family obligation :) 10yr Tobermory is weak pish .. mainly sold to tourists ... ledaig is smooth, spicy and great after a full days photo shoot :) LuftHans, go visit the distillery, you can ONLY get the natural cask strength one there Action: drochaid decides tonight is a 20yr Ledaig night brb drockaid: I'm looking at a job in Dublin. If I get that I'll make sure to visit several distilleries :). but ... Scottish ones drochaid: I'll have to make a comparitive tour :) anyone know of any good data entry operations in ireland? just as long as you recognise that Sottish single malts are the best!! jcater, data entry operations? ya company is looking to outsource data entry overseas heard good things about data entry from ireland hmm India seems to be the main outsourcing target market for Europe at the moment drochaid: if they're better than midletons they've got a good chance of that recognition :) lol we did india several times bad luck each time jcater: remind me tomorrow to check on that the person in Dublin who's gonna help me try to get into his company might know jcater, I didn't say they were any good ;P cool R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon612.tstt.net.tt) left irc: dyfet (~dyfet@pool-138-89-42-87.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey dyfet drochaid (~drochaid@pc1-kirk1-3-cust137.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" lupo__ (lupo@pD9E688A4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon3186.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. think popy's the last thing I'm waiting to get updated to 2.3 dyfet (~dyfet@pool-138-89-42-87.mad.east.verizon.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). Nick change: SachaZzz -> SachaS jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-185.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). Action: derek rubs eyes is that nick rusnov? No Its a horrible shambling imposter no one can compare to the real nick Hehe just never been the same since he left Action: derek sulks in a pile of industrial meats much less knowitallery I'm sure :) mmm.. industrial meats! hmmm... actually nick did know most things debian thats what i miss about him jbailey is a good replacement, but isnt here enough :) jbailey, pshaw! again: no one can compare to the real nick hehe. I've also become quite proficient in wxPython in the period of my absense wow Action: Vee2d2 smells the owner of a shiney new embroidered GNUe shirt in our midst wx is nice but it's just got issues :) btw: i have learned to love debian bts in your abscence mostly after having to deal with bugzilla way too much wow so you're saying you killed the real derek and replaced him completely? i have made my peace with some of it's oddities and just think, could be worse, i could be using bugzilla :) heheh. yeah real derek died a while back that and jbailey gave me a reason to submit bugs regularly.... and if i get to annoy someone filing bugs, it makes any system fun ;) good to see you back, seriously thank you alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-42-231.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: How are you? tired just got my bills done (yeah!) finally keeping up on getting them in gnucash(double yeah!) and was getting ready to email you :) can we meet on saturday to do the image for elite pc? we have 0.5.1 ready (likely it wont be "packaged" before saturday) but cvs is fairly easy on a debian "woody" or "sid" installation and if they do LTSP its pretty straightforward to install and setup basically if they can have a debian woody machine with LTSP ready (with emacs) by time we get there... it should be pretty quick :) assuming they have a net connection hi nickr alandd: i am trying to do some demo stuff this week to prepare... will be flying by seat of pants a lot :( if it goes well i will ask anyone that enjoyed the session to buy an PLUG shirt or donate directly to AZOTO Action: Vee2d2 has confidence in derek's pants or my wife will kick my butt :) Action: derek goes to make a schema student class schedule or should i get the contact form working from gnue-sb ah what the heck Action: derek goes to cvsup the world... watch out savannah here i come where the heck to moz developers idle? ack, I was fixing to do that.. ;) Action: Vee2d2 rushes to beat derek to the punch oh snap, cvs is restructured... i forgot holy moses i had wget on here from cvs and was compiling it.... wow.. I dont recall seeing this many changes come through the commit lists.. it must've been a while since I synced derek: the script LuftHans seems to get CVS OK. Action: derek remembers now i was hacking around groups.yahoo.com crap your pants will hold up. I will let them know that we want a debian woody LTSP server ready. I hope they can. when were you thinking, roughly, of going over there to setup? Action: alandd is away: Be right back. alandd: thats up to you :) R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon3186.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Action: Vee2d2 goes ahead and upgrades everything to 2.3 rather than waiting on popy Action: derek does the WAY HAPPY DANCE looks like just nailed a $1200/ year hosting contract that should consist of about 5 hours of upfront work of which 2 hours are done!!!! cool all i can say is people are dying for providers of decent email i.e. that provide solid spam resistance and uptime (not real hard to do on linux) --- Topic for #sodipodi is http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2003/8/4/222054/6295/237#237 related issue Action: Vee2d2 gets a cup of fresh coffee Action: alandd is back (gone 00:06:07) derek: Ooo... I get to pick the time? Hmm... I'll have to check with my wife, who is not here right now :^( will she be back before 24:00? i should be aroudn until then at least Oh yea. I expect her before the half hour. She knows the family weekend schedule. My personal schedule is wide open. elitepc claims Saturday hours of noon to midnight. we probably can get in sooner. I'll double check with them. cool, i prepared wife for saturday basically if i say computer/work she assumes all day :) Action: alandd is away: wife arrived, must go help for a bit all cvs'es updated downloading 0.5.1 release you know our install even w/o packages is pretty painless jcater: you around? Vee2d2? yah? if i do a gnue-navigator --version it returns 0.0.5 however if i do a gnue-navigator mygpd.gpd and do Help->About it returns version of 0.0.1 can anyone else confirm or deny this on the 0.0.5 release tarball im looking like mad in cvs and everythign looks labeled 0.0.5 so i dont know if its cruft on my system popping up or what I can confirm cvs acts that way Action: Vee2d2 watches derek get warmed up grrr... we need fricken lxr setup :) or i need to remember my black belt in cvs commands lxr? cvs add newfiles; cvs ci -m "important fixes" Vee2d2: can you cvsupdate and see if its fixed if aiye, 'tis! s/if// Action: alandd is back (gone 00:30:34)