<Vee2d2> ack.. which I s'pose is also broked here (gtk2 driver that is)
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<derek> jcater you turd ....
<derek> he does python tricks then leaves before he can explain them :)
<derek> hi fitzix long time no see
<fitzix> hey there derek - been pretty busy myself
<fitzix> how have things been?
<derek> busy :)
<fitzix> hehe - what have you been up to?
<derek> work, life and other stuff :)
<fitzix> yeah... same here... 
<derek> right now actually coding for first time in a while and loving it
<derek> Vee2d2: i got the description error to go away
<fitzix> got promoted at work to security specialist... rising quickly in the ranks
<derek> now there is a type cast problem somewhere else.... i think i smoosh it and it will work
<fitzix> Yeah - I've logged on here for the first time in a LONG time... and it's feeling really good
<derek> and then a second commit (poor jamest and jcater will be forced to code again) ;)
<derek> DB000:     directory = os.path.join(location, string.replace(description,'/',''))
<derek> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/string.py", line 372, in replace
<derek> DB000:     return s.replace(old, new, maxsplit)
<derek> DB000: AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'replace'
<derek> looks like a funky python change
<Vee2d2> s must be an int when a string was expected?
<derek> ok it doesnt error out anymore, but im not sure where its writing the menu :)
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<ajmitch> gidday fitzix
<derek> piss... gnome instead of gnome2 i think /home/dneighbo/.gnome/apps/GNUe Apps/Contact Management
<fitzix> gidday ajmitch - how are ya?
<ajmitch> doing ok :)
<ajmitch> long time no see
<fitzix> good 
<fitzix> have a good travel?
<ajmitch> it's a little damp outside today
<fitzix> raining?
<derek> anyone know how to make menu entries in gnome2
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> raining
<ajmitch> derek: some mess of .desktop entries
<derek> any links on howto?
<ajmitch> freedesktop.org?
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<derek> Vee2d2: well so much for getting this workign tonight.. that new spec is hell
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<derek> developing for gnome is crap
<fitzix> I hate to say it,... but I hate gnome on many different levels
<fitzix> I like E better
Action: chillywilly has since switch to KDE cause of gnome2 loosing all sorts of features ;)
<nickr> chillywilly: they aren't lost, just hidden in gconf to keep from scaring neophytes
<chillywilly> yea, well it sucks...using gconf-editor is a lame way to do things
<derek> oh wait im onto something
<derek> Vee2d2: you still around, i have a hope of fixing this before bed :)
<chillywilly> but there's some stuff I wish KDE would let me do...
<chillywilly> like adding Sessions to konsole
<chillywilly> so I can be lazy and click a button for an ssh session
<Vee2d2> still here.. 
<Vee2d2> and for the record, I try to be completely unbiased to the various environments out there, E, XFCE, KDE, Gnome, whatever.. 
<Vee2d2> it's all good
<Vee2d2> one of the guy's at work uses xfce on his bsd machine, another uses kde, I use gnome, everyone else suffers with some flavor of windows. 
<chillywilly> are you still running your biz?
<Vee2d2> yep
<Vee2d2> ran a few shirts earlier
<chillywilly> so this is a client? or a real job (tm) ;)?
<Vee2d2> real job
<chillywilly> what are you doing?
<Vee2d2> programmy
<Vee2d2> heh
<Vee2d2> programming
<chillywilly> ok
<derek> grr nevermind this way they do things sucks
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<ajmitch> night Vee2d2
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<derek> ok desktop files writing out properly but the 'file structure' is a different story
<LuftHans> he, he, gnue-forms-wxgtk can't install in stable or testing because libwxgtk2.3-python isn't available, but for unstable gnue-forms-wxgtk is already at the newest version
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<Arturas> Hello
<LuftHans> moin, moin Arturas
<LuftHans> I think everyone else passed out
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<derek> jcater: i checked a mess in for navigator just now
<derek> i have to run to work :(
<derek> basically gnome2 TOTALLY changed how they do menu entries
<derek> i couldnt understand one snippet of the code so changed it to be less pretty :( (one liner)
<jcater> figures
<derek> to get from erroring out
<derek> made it so it makes .desktop files
<derek> but now they use vfolders
<derek> so the 'submenu' routine doesnt work
<derek> we need to make something that edits the vfolder xml
<derek> for submenus :(
<derek> and then the GConfig('runFormsCommand') type variables seemed to have disappeared
Action: derek ran out of time to research that
<derek> i tried to comment all my changes
<jcater> what?!?
<jcater> why the fsck did they do that
<derek> for now it doesnt error out
<jcater> kde and gnome actually had
<jcater> compatable menu structures
<derek> and makes files
<jcater> and gnome2 just decided to change it?
<jcater> damn microsoft-wannabes
<derek> i.e. valid desktop files but doesn't put them in proper place (i.e. you have to go edit the vfolder entry for applications manually to import them)
<derek> i was nice and put a link to the menu spec for gnome2 :)
<jcater> ah
<derek> really trying to fix problems instead of create them
<jcater> well, I still say they are MS-wannabes :)
<derek> yes they are
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<Vee> any of you have experience with SATA drives in linux?
<dsmith> "Not I" said the dsmith
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<nickr> seems like SATA should work with no problems
<Vee2d2> work, but not take advantage of the features of SATA as I understand.. 
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<Vee2d2> friend has a system with SATA and said he gets like 4 or 5M/s in linux.. think real s'port is in 2.6, but I'm just going on hear say and was looking for someone with dirty hand experience.. ;)
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<revDeke> jcater: were you able to look at any of that gnome-menu.py stuff...... i.e. you see how bad i butchered it ;)
<revDeke> any suggestions on how to best tackle the vfolder crap
<jcater> not yet
<jcater> actually, I'd forgotten about it
<revDeke> no problem
<jcater> but haven't had time anyway
<jcater> we're gearing up for fall
<revDeke> its not a rush thing... just something that i figured i would be able to help with (i had no intention on committing anything last night)
<revDeke> but it looked like a fun thing to fix until i found out gnome2 sux rox
<chillywilly> haha
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<LuftHans> derek: you here?
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<dneighbo> here
<LuftHans> derek: get the workshop page back up and send me a bio
<dneighbo> im gettting it back up
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<dneighbo> and forgot that i had freehand uploaded that file
<LuftHans> ah, oops
Action: dneighbo likely wont get a bio to you too soon
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